OS blown out @ logon

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Installation of an update of a highly reputable anti-spyware programme has
blown out my XP (SP3) at the logon stage with the rtlGina2.dll fault,
(otherwise well documented).
In addition startup in safe mode hangs at mup.sys and recovery console won't
take my password.
I have available the two possible 'fixes' but apparently no suitable access
to run them so they repair the original OS.
I have also: Vista on HDD1; and a (temporary, I hope) parallel XP
installation on HDD0.

Have I ANY simpler option tham creating a Bart PE disc (or the total
reinstallation of apps, etc on the parallel XP or the Vista), please, anyone??

I fear this will be a two-letter answer :>(

TIA

Phil Harrison
 
RE: OS blown out @ logon



"nosirrah" wrote:

> Installation of an update of a highly reputable anti-spyware programme has
> blown out my XP (SP3) at the logon stage with the rtlGina2.dll fault,
> (otherwise well documented).
> In addition startup in safe mode hangs at mup.sys and recovery console won't
> take my password.
> I have available the two possible 'fixes' but apparently no suitable access
> to run them so they repair the original OS.
> I have also: Vista on HDD1; and a (temporary, I hope) parallel XP
> installation on HDD0.
>
> Have I ANY simpler option tham creating a Bart PE disc (or the total
> reinstallation of apps, etc on the parallel XP or the Vista), please, anyone??
>
> I fear this will be a two-letter answer :>(
>
> TIA
>
> Phil Harrison

Can you log using Last Good known Configuration?
If you try the Fix below from Doug:
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/fix_xp_logon.htm
<Q>
Then the NetGear software is telling the system to use RTLGina2.dll as its
logon DLL, rather than the default MSGINA.DLL that ships with the OS. Use of
a 3rd party GINA (Graphical Identification and Authentication) will disable
Fast User switching and the Welcome Screen.

I don't know how tightly bound Netgear's software is to the use of their
custom GINA. You can try setting the system back to use the Default GINA
after the NetGear software is installed and see how it behaves.
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/fix_xp_logon.htm

--
Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart Display\Security
Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
--------------------------------
Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
--------------------------------
Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
</Q>

If you can't then you need to hook this HDD to another machine as slave and
perform the instructions of deleting the Dll.
HTH,
nass
---
http://www.nasstec.co.uk
 
RE: OS blown out @ logon

Thank, Nass - gives me a clue, but no solution. Firstly, I can't get past
the blockage by loading 'last known good config'. The blocking message is,
that the system "cannot find" rtlGina2.dll, from which I infer that my
wireless adapter is demanding it, and the spyware update process has deleted
it. So, in fact, we're looking to insert a .dll, not delete it??Does that
sound right?

The Knox script is one of the two fixes that I have; but which I cannot get
applied to the requisite OS: would I infer correctly also that I wouldn't be
able to either re-run the adapter installation, or alternatively uninstall it
from an "outside" OS either? Or, for that matter, reconfigure the loading of
processes so that the OS doesn't even try to run the adapter at boot??

TIA

Phil


"nass" wrote:

>
>
> "nosirrah" wrote:
>
> > Installation of an update of a highly reputable anti-spyware programme has
> > blown out my XP (SP3) at the logon stage with the rtlGina2.dll fault,
> > (otherwise well documented).
> > In addition startup in safe mode hangs at mup.sys and recovery console won't
> > take my password.
> > I have available the two possible 'fixes' but apparently no suitable access
> > to run them so they repair the original OS.
> > I have also: Vista on HDD1; and a (temporary, I hope) parallel XP
> > installation on HDD0.
> >
> > Have I ANY simpler option tham creating a Bart PE disc (or the total
> > reinstallation of apps, etc on the parallel XP or the Vista), please, anyone??
> >
> > I fear this will be a two-letter answer :>(
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Phil Harrison
>
> Can you log using Last Good known Configuration?
> If you try the Fix below from Doug:
> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/fix_xp_logon.htm
> <Q>
> Then the NetGear software is telling the system to use RTLGina2.dll as its
> logon DLL, rather than the default MSGINA.DLL that ships with the OS. Use of
> a 3rd party GINA (Graphical Identification and Authentication) will disable
> Fast User switching and the Welcome Screen.
>
> I don't know how tightly bound Netgear's software is to the use of their
> custom GINA. You can try setting the system back to use the Default GINA
> after the NetGear software is installed and see how it behaves.
> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/fix_xp_logon.htm
>
> --
> Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart Display\Security
> Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
> http://www.dougknox.com
> --------------------------------
> Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
> --------------------------------
> Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
> Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
> </Q>
>
> If you can't then you need to hook this HDD to another machine as slave and
> perform the instructions of deleting the Dll.
> HTH,
> nass
> ---
> http://www.nasstec.co.uk
>
 
RE: OS blown out @ logon


Hi Nosirrah,
Can you tell us what Operating system you are using and are you able to
access the BIOS?
You can Disbale the Adapter in the BIOS and see if you will be able to login.
As I said in my previous post if you hooked the HDD to another machine as
Slave and Delete the Folder for the Adapter manually then Put it back again
as Master and see if you can boot up.
Or Bart PE:
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

"nosirrah" wrote:

> Thank, Nass - gives me a clue, but no solution. Firstly, I can't get past
> the blockage by loading 'last known good config'. The blocking message is,
> that the system "cannot find" rtlGina2.dll, from which I infer that my
> wireless adapter is demanding it, and the spyware update process has deleted
> it. So, in fact, we're looking to insert a .dll, not delete it??Does that
> sound right?
>
> The Knox script is one of the two fixes that I have; but which I cannot get
> applied to the requisite OS: would I infer correctly also that I wouldn't be
> able to either re-run the adapter installation, or alternatively uninstall it
> from an "outside" OS either? Or, for that matter, reconfigure the loading of
> processes so that the OS doesn't even try to run the adapter at boot??
>
> TIA
>
> Phil
>
>
> "nass" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "nosirrah" wrote:
> >
> > > Installation of an update of a highly reputable anti-spyware programme has
> > > blown out my XP (SP3) at the logon stage with the rtlGina2.dll fault,
> > > (otherwise well documented).
> > > In addition startup in safe mode hangs at mup.sys and recovery console won't
> > > take my password.
> > > I have available the two possible 'fixes' but apparently no suitable access
> > > to run them so they repair the original OS.
> > > I have also: Vista on HDD1; and a (temporary, I hope) parallel XP
> > > installation on HDD0.
> > >
> > > Have I ANY simpler option tham creating a Bart PE disc (or the total
> > > reinstallation of apps, etc on the parallel XP or the Vista), please, anyone??
> > >
> > > I fear this will be a two-letter answer :>(
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Phil Harrison
> >
> > Can you log using Last Good known Configuration?
> > If you try the Fix below from Doug:
> > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/fix_xp_logon.htm
> > <Q>
> > Then the NetGear software is telling the system to use RTLGina2.dll as its
> > logon DLL, rather than the default MSGINA.DLL that ships with the OS. Use of
> > a 3rd party GINA (Graphical Identification and Authentication) will disable
> > Fast User switching and the Welcome Screen.
> >
> > I don't know how tightly bound Netgear's software is to the use of their
> > custom GINA. You can try setting the system back to use the Default GINA
> > after the NetGear software is installed and see how it behaves.
> > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/fix_xp_logon.htm
> >
> > --
> > Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart Display\Security
> > Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
> > http://www.dougknox.com
> > --------------------------------
> > Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
> > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
> > --------------------------------
> > Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
> > Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
> > </Q>
> >
> > If you can't then you need to hook this HDD to another machine as slave and
> > perform the instructions of deleting the Dll.
> > HTH,
> > nass
> > ---
> > http://www.nasstec.co.uk
> >
 
RE: OS blown out @ logon


Here the same scenario like yours:
http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...5dc71973d43c&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-us&m=1&p=1
<Q>
Another option would be to delete the GinaDLL from the registry. This can be
accomplished from a parallel installation of XP, or using the BartPE
Bootable CD.

How to edit the registry offline using BartPE boot CD ?:
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/peboot.htm

And here is how you can delete the GinaDLL entry from the registry.
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/ginadll.htm

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
Windows® XP Troubleshooting http://www.winhelponline.com
</Q>

"nass" wrote:

>
> Hi Nosirrah,
> Can you tell us what Operating system you are using and are you able to
> access the BIOS?
> You can Disbale the Adapter in the BIOS and see if you will be able to login.
> As I said in my previous post if you hooked the HDD to another machine as
> Slave and Delete the Folder for the Adapter manually then Put it back again
> as Master and see if you can boot up.
> Or Bart PE:
> http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
>
> "nosirrah" wrote:
>
> > Thank, Nass - gives me a clue, but no solution. Firstly, I can't get past
> > the blockage by loading 'last known good config'. The blocking message is,
> > that the system "cannot find" rtlGina2.dll, from which I infer that my
> > wireless adapter is demanding it, and the spyware update process has deleted
> > it. So, in fact, we're looking to insert a .dll, not delete it??Does that
> > sound right?
> >
> > The Knox script is one of the two fixes that I have; but which I cannot get
> > applied to the requisite OS: would I infer correctly also that I wouldn't be
> > able to either re-run the adapter installation, or alternatively uninstall it
> > from an "outside" OS either? Or, for that matter, reconfigure the loading of
> > processes so that the OS doesn't even try to run the adapter at boot??
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > "nass" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > "nosirrah" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Installation of an update of a highly reputable anti-spyware programme has
> > > > blown out my XP (SP3) at the logon stage with the rtlGina2.dll fault,
> > > > (otherwise well documented).
> > > > In addition startup in safe mode hangs at mup.sys and recovery console won't
> > > > take my password.
> > > > I have available the two possible 'fixes' but apparently no suitable access
> > > > to run them so they repair the original OS.
> > > > I have also: Vista on HDD1; and a (temporary, I hope) parallel XP
> > > > installation on HDD0.
> > > >
> > > > Have I ANY simpler option tham creating a Bart PE disc (or the total
> > > > reinstallation of apps, etc on the parallel XP or the Vista), please, anyone??
> > > >
> > > > I fear this will be a two-letter answer :>(
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > Phil Harrison
> > >
> > > Can you log using Last Good known Configuration?
> > > If you try the Fix below from Doug:
> > > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/fix_xp_logon.htm
> > > <Q>
> > > Then the NetGear software is telling the system to use RTLGina2.dll as its
> > > logon DLL, rather than the default MSGINA.DLL that ships with the OS. Use of
> > > a 3rd party GINA (Graphical Identification and Authentication) will disable
> > > Fast User switching and the Welcome Screen.
> > >
> > > I don't know how tightly bound Netgear's software is to the use of their
> > > custom GINA. You can try setting the system back to use the Default GINA
> > > after the NetGear software is installed and see how it behaves.
> > > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/fix_xp_logon.htm
> > >
> > > --
> > > Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart Display\Security
> > > Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
> > > http://www.dougknox.com
> > > --------------------------------
> > > Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
> > > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
> > > --------------------------------
> > > Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
> > > Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
> > > </Q>
> > >
> > > If you can't then you need to hook this HDD to another machine as slave and
> > > perform the instructions of deleting the Dll.
> > > HTH,
> > > nass
> > > ---
> > > http://www.nasstec.co.uk
> > >
 
Re: OS blown out @ logon

You People Might Have Noticed That I Capitalize A Lot Of The Words In
My Replies That Don't Require Capitalization. It's Not Because I Have
A Language Problem (Which I DO) But Because I Think That It Gives My
Readers A Sense Of The Gravity Of What I Am Saying. And It Makes Me
Feel More Important When I Read My Posts Later.
HTH,
nass
---
http://www.nasstec.co.uk

I wrote:

>You can Disbale the Adapter in the BIOS and see if you will be able to login.
>As I said in my previous post if you hooked the HDD to another machine as
>Slave and Delete the Folder for the Adapter manually then Put it back again
>as Master and see if you can boot up.
>Or Bart PE:
 
RE: OS blown out @ logon

Thanks Nass. The were the two 'solutions' I mentioned as already having
researched. Unless an XP installation and a parallel XP installation share a
registry, then surely running "regedit" in the temporary parallel OS will NOT
access the Registry in the afflicted OS? Or will it? Srivinasan's solution,
when you read it, appears to depend on having circumnavigated the blockage,
saying "..... Run regedit...", and it isn't billed as 'how to delete the Gina
using a parallel OS'.

Once I get to the stage of opening cases on two machines, fiddling with HDD
Cables and adjusting BIOSes I get to the point where building a Bart PE is
just as easy [difficult/time consuming]...... and my question in any case is
"can I do this using parallel installations?" I'd appreciate, tho' a comment
on my question as to whether giving the Wireless adapter BACK the file that
it wants (under which logon previously worked quite happily) might equally be
a solution?

TIA

Phil Harrison
(Visited your site. I see the product is advertised

"nass" wrote:

>
> Here the same scenario like yours:
> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...5dc71973d43c&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-us&m=1&p=1
> <Q>
> Another option would be to delete the GinaDLL from the registry. This can be
> accomplished from a parallel installation of XP, or using the BartPE
> Bootable CD.
>
> How to edit the registry offline using BartPE boot CD ?:
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/peboot.htm
>
> And here is how you can delete the GinaDLL entry from the registry.
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/ginadll.htm
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
> Windows® XP Troubleshooting http://www.winhelponline.com
> </Q>
>
> "nass" wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Nosirrah,
> > Can you tell us what Operating system you are using and are you able to
> > access the BIOS?
> > You can Disbale the Adapter in the BIOS and see if you will be able to login.
> > As I said in my previous post if you hooked the HDD to another machine as
> > Slave and Delete the Folder for the Adapter manually then Put it back again
> > as Master and see if you can boot up.
> > Or Bart PE:
> > http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
> >
> > "nosirrah" wrote:
> >
> > > Thank, Nass - gives me a clue, but no solution. Firstly, I can't get past
> > > the blockage by loading 'last known good config'. The blocking message is,
> > > that the system "cannot find" rtlGina2.dll, from which I infer that my
> > > wireless adapter is demanding it, and the spyware update process has deleted
> > > it. So, in fact, we're looking to insert a .dll, not delete it??Does that
> > > sound right?
> > >
> > > The Knox script is one of the two fixes that I have; but which I cannot get
> > > applied to the requisite OS: would I infer correctly also that I wouldn't be
> > > able to either re-run the adapter installation, or alternatively uninstall it
> > > from an "outside" OS either? Or, for that matter, reconfigure the loading of
> > > processes so that the OS doesn't even try to run the adapter at boot??
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > >
> > > "nass" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "nosirrah" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Installation of an update of a highly reputable anti-spyware programme has
> > > > > blown out my XP (SP3) at the logon stage with the rtlGina2.dll fault,
> > > > > (otherwise well documented).
> > > > > In addition startup in safe mode hangs at mup.sys and recovery console won't
> > > > > take my password.
> > > > > I have available the two possible 'fixes' but apparently no suitable access
> > > > > to run them so they repair the original OS.
> > > > > I have also: Vista on HDD1; and a (temporary, I hope) parallel XP
> > > > > installation on HDD0.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have I ANY simpler option tham creating a Bart PE disc (or the total
> > > > > reinstallation of apps, etc on the parallel XP or the Vista), please, anyone??
> > > > >
> > > > > I fear this will be a two-letter answer :>(
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil Harrison
> > > >
> > > > Can you log using Last Good known Configuration?
> > > > If you try the Fix below from Doug:
> > > > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/fix_xp_logon.htm
> > > > <Q>
> > > > Then the NetGear software is telling the system to use RTLGina2.dll as its
> > > > logon DLL, rather than the default MSGINA.DLL that ships with the OS. Use of
> > > > a 3rd party GINA (Graphical Identification and Authentication) will disable
> > > > Fast User switching and the Welcome Screen.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know how tightly bound Netgear's software is to the use of their
> > > > custom GINA. You can try setting the system back to use the Default GINA
> > > > after the NetGear software is installed and see how it behaves.
> > > > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/fix_xp_logon.htm
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows Media Center\Windows Powered Smart Display\Security
> > > > Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
> > > > http://www.dougknox.com
> > > > --------------------------------
> > > > Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
> > > > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
> > > > --------------------------------
> > > > Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
> > > > Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
> > > > </Q>
> > > >
> > > > If you can't then you need to hook this HDD to another machine as slave and
> > > > perform the instructions of deleting the Dll.
> > > > HTH,
> > > > nass
> > > > ---
> > > > http://www.nasstec.co.uk
> > > >
 
Re: OS blown out @ logon

SUCCESS!!!!!
(But on my terms!!)

Played my Hunch. My Vista installation was done by upgrading an XP
installation and I found a copy of rtlGina2.dll in Windows.old/system32. I
copied it and pasted it to System32 folder of the afflicted installation of
XP, rebooted and
BINGO! (but a LOT of HD thrashing!!)

But I've taken some collateral damage in WMP and IE6, though Outlook and
Firefox are both OK. WMP & IE6 look as tho' a reinstallation will do the
trick.

Should this solution get put into the Knowledge base?? How does one go
about it if so??

Cheers

Phil Harrison

"nass" wrote:

> You People Might Have Noticed That I Capitalize A Lot Of The Words In
> My Replies That Don't Require Capitalization. It's Not Because I Have
> A Language Problem (Which I DO) But Because I Think That It Gives My
> Readers A Sense Of The Gravity Of What I Am Saying. And It Makes Me
> Feel More Important When I Read My Posts Later.
> HTH,
> nass
> ---
> http://www.nasstec.co.uk
>
> I wrote:
>
> >You can Disbale the Adapter in the BIOS and see if you will be able to login.
> >As I said in my previous post if you hooked the HDD to another machine as
> >Slave and Delete the Folder for the Adapter manually then Put it back again
> >as Master and see if you can boot up.
> >Or Bart PE:
>
 

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