Windows Vista 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

[John]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps


"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
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>
> RAM isn't consumed. That suggests it gets used up and needs to be
> replaced. No matter how much RAM you install Windows is designed to
> STILL USE THE PAGING FILE. Trying to limit it's size is working
> against you and making your system slower than it would otherwise
> would be. Vista is designed to constantly shuffle things between the
> Paging File and your RAM regardless how much physical memory you have.

That has always got me thinking why Windows bother to use (snail speed)
paging file when there's more than enough physical RAM. I can understand use
of paging file in the old days (Windows 3.x) when RAM was very expensive and
limited (x MB). These days memory is affordable. Why does Windows need (x
GB) paging file when there's 3, 4, 6, 8 GB of RAM or even 64GB and up?

Why does the paging file have to be so huge (1.5x RAM size)? Isn't 3GB of
RAM large enough for Vista + applications? What if we put 8GB of RAM? Why do
we need 12GB of paging file when we have 8GB of RAM?

> I don't understand why you're so set against giving Vista the room it
> needs to run correctly. Even on a "small" hard drive we're only
> talking about 3-4 GB for a typical paging file. Surely you can give up
> that much space can't you?

The biggest deal for me isn't about HD space. It's about speed (physical RAM
as opposed to paging file access on a HD). I guess Windows is designed to
not work efficiently without a paging file. It would be nice if Windows runs
faster without using any paging file.

 

[John]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

I agree but... there's a but. Putting 16GB of RAM doesn't solve the problem
the OP seems to be after (at least that's what I think). That is, to limit
the use of paging file to a certain size (eg: 512MB) and let Windows use
physical RAM.

"dpic" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
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>
> RAM is very cheap...
>
>
> --
> dpic

 

[Richard Urban]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

Set your pagefile back to system managed and be done with it. Vista is very
smart in managing memory. It is when we humble users try to outfox the
system that we begin having problems.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Greg" <greg_68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, so I have Vista Ultimate 64-bit with 3GB of memory. I'm constantly
> having to reboot every few days because Vista will start telling me to
> close windows, all of which I need open so I can use them. When I look at
> how much of the Page File (according to Task Manager) is in use (when it
> pops that up), it's usually around 3.2GB out of 3.4GB. Even when I close
> all open windows it's still over 2GB, so re-opening everything again just
> gives me the same popup. The only way around it is to reboot and then it
> slowly goes back up to the popup and I'm forced to reboot all over again.
> Never had a memory problem using the exact same applications until I
> upgraded to Vista.
>
> The apps I normally have open are: E-Mail (the app that came with Vista),
> Firefox, FlashFXP, Visual Studio 2008, a few explorer windows, and Excel
> 2008. Every 2 or 3 days I'm forced to reboot. It's annoying as hell. I
> have 3GB of physical RAM, I shouldn't be having memory problems.
>
> I do have my swap file set to 512MB because letting Windows manage it was
> causing too much swapping and my system was extremely slow while it's
> constantly grinding the hard drive (lowering it 512MB showed a huge
> performance boost). Either way, I have 3GB of physical memory, it
> shouldn't be consuming more than that. When I reboot and load everything
> back up and start using it, Page File shows just over 1GB of memory.
> Apparently it goes up 1GB every day until I'm forced to reboot.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? Any services I can turn off or am I screwed
> and have to hope they fix this in Windows 7?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg

 

[Ringmaster]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:32:43 -0700, "John" <a> wrote:

>
>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>news:mar4e45qf0ivaaatpurg0jumb4io723peo@4ax.com...
>>
>> RAM isn't consumed. That suggests it gets used up and needs to be
>> replaced. No matter how much RAM you install Windows is designed to
>> STILL USE THE PAGING FILE. Trying to limit it's size is working
>> against you and making your system slower than it would otherwise
>> would be. Vista is designed to constantly shuffle things between the
>> Paging File and your RAM regardless how much physical memory you have.
>
>That has always got me thinking why Windows bother to use (snail speed)
>paging file when there's more than enough physical RAM. I can understand use
>of paging file in the old days (Windows 3.x) when RAM was very expensive and
>limited (x MB). These days memory is affordable. Why does Windows need (x
>GB) paging file when there's 3, 4, 6, 8 GB of RAM or even 64GB and up?
>
>Why does the paging file have to be so huge (1.5x RAM size)? Isn't 3GB of
>RAM large enough for Vista + applications? What if we put 8GB of RAM? Why do
>we need 12GB of paging file when we have 8GB of RAM?
>
>> I don't understand why you're so set against giving Vista the room it
>> needs to run correctly. Even on a "small" hard drive we're only
>> talking about 3-4 GB for a typical paging file. Surely you can give up
>> that much space can't you?
>
>The biggest deal for me isn't about HD space. It's about speed (physical RAM
>as opposed to paging file access on a HD). I guess Windows is designed to
>not work efficiently without a paging file. It would be nice if Windows runs
>faster without using any paging file.

I don't know WHY Microsoft keeps tinkering with how the Paging File
gets used, they just do. The latest scheme is to use some AI to guess
what needs to be preloaded in anticipation it is needed. While the
concept isn't bad, it isn't practical unless you limit yourself to
doing the same kinds of things in repetition over and over. If not,
then all the stuff preloaded first needs to be unloaded and what you
really want to use get loaded in it's place. Why Vista doesn't take
advantage of actual RAM better is a good question.

Going with the concept a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link,
how efficient any OS is, depends on what you ask it to do.

Consider my favorite video editor, Sony's Vegas which I have thousands
of hours of experience using. Most will agree rendering a video is one
of the more demanding things you can ask a PC to do due to all the
pixels getting moved around and the math behind that that's involved.
On the surface you would think loads of RAM would be helpful.

Not true.

Rendering a video is an intensive task yes, but for the CPU. Not just
opinion, years ago in Sony's forum several of us did some corporative
real world testing. Clearly CPU speed, not more RAM was the critical
factor in reducing processing time. You can visually see this using
Gadgets that do real time monitoring of both CPU and memory usage.

While rendering always creates a spike in CPU usage that lasts as long
as the rendering takes, memory usage as a percentage of the total
regardless how much RAM is installed didn't make a noticeable impact
on rendering time. Indeed, on this system which only has 2 GB RAM even
if two videos are getting rendered at the same time in separate
instances of Vegas each running in their own memory space only between
46-52% of the total RAM ever gets used.

Some might confuse this with poor memory usage but the reality is how
much RAM gets used is relative to how fast the CPU can do all the
complex steps involved in the rendering which is a stress on the
mathematical aspects of the CPU's sub processing. In other words
sucking more data into RAM would do nothing but cause it to just sit
there, since the CPU was already nearly maxed out processing the gulp
of data it was already working on. However replacing the current CPU
with a faster one got the job done faster, not because more RAM was
used but what was used moved in and out of the physical memory faster,
thus reducing the rendering time due totally to the better performance
of the higher speed CPU. I'll assume that's true with many well
written applications.

I would be inclined to believe that Microsoft's engineers push chucks
of Vista in and out of physical RAM since some parts of the kernel and
many of the sub routines don't need to be in memory and would similar
to Vegas just be taking up space sitting there where the memory
assigned to the OS could and probably does better use RAM by shuffling
what parts of Vista are needed on a 'as needed' basis.

I haven't looked it up in Vista's Resource Kit, but years ago did in
XP's version of the same publication (over a 1,500 page manual that
back then cost $70) and there's a fairly detailed explanation what's
behind Windows use of the Paging File and why parts of the OS move in
and out of actual memory.

 

[Ringmaster]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:24:47 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Set your pagefile back to system managed and be done with it. Vista is very
>smart in managing memory. It is when we humble users try to outfox the
>system that we begin having problems.

If Vista was half as smart as you like to pretend we wouldn't see dumb
things like "recovered from a serious error" or Explorer needs to
close" or Microsoft's browser once you click on the shortcut just sits
there unable to load the home page you assigned to the browser. It
wouldn't "forget" settings or nag like your mother-in-law over stupid
things like claiming you wanting to delete a orphaned shortcut from
your desktop is a "security risk" demanding you give your permission
first.

 

[AJR]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

Based upon the symptoms - it looks as if a memory leak is the culprit - one,
or more, of the applications is not releasing resources to the Memory
Manager. Task Manager may be of assistance in diagnosis - Process Explorer
would be more adequate.

Regarding:
> I do have my swap file set to 512MB because letting Windows manage it was
> causing too much swapping and my system was extremely slow while it's >
> constantly grinding the hard drive (lowering it 512MB showed a huge >
> performance boost).

Results "...showed a huge performance boost...." ???

Ringmaster - the major problem is not with Vista - but is usually found
between the chair and keyboard.



"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ekYT3L0IJHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Set your pagefile back to system managed and be done with it. Vista is
> very smart in managing memory. It is when we humble users try to outfox
> the system that we begin having problems.
>
> --
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
>
> "Greg" <greg_68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:38E069D4-3048-4052-AD5D-5741B04D4663@microsoft.com...
>> Ok, so I have Vista Ultimate 64-bit with 3GB of memory. I'm constantly
>> having to reboot every few days because Vista will start telling me to
>> close windows, all of which I need open so I can use them. When I look
>> at how much of the Page File (according to Task Manager) is in use (when
>> it pops that up), it's usually around 3.2GB out of 3.4GB. Even when I
>> close all open windows it's still over 2GB, so re-opening everything
>> again just gives me the same popup. The only way around it is to reboot
>> and then it slowly goes back up to the popup and I'm forced to reboot all
>> over again. Never had a memory problem using the exact same applications
>> until I upgraded to Vista.
>>
>> The apps I normally have open are: E-Mail (the app that came with Vista),
>> Firefox, FlashFXP, Visual Studio 2008, a few explorer windows, and Excel
>> 2008. Every 2 or 3 days I'm forced to reboot. It's annoying as hell. I
>> have 3GB of physical RAM, I shouldn't be having memory problems.
>>
>> I do have my swap file set to 512MB because letting Windows manage it was
>> causing too much swapping and my system was extremely slow while it's
>> constantly grinding the hard drive (lowering it 512MB showed a huge
>> performance boost). Either way, I have 3GB of physical memory, it
>> shouldn't be consuming more than that. When I reboot and load everything
>> back up and start using it, Page File shows just over 1GB of memory.
>> Apparently it goes up 1GB every day until I'm forced to reboot.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions? Any services I can turn off or am I screwed
>> and have to hope they fix this in Windows 7?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>

 

[Ringmaster]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:37:31 -0400, "AJR" <ajrjdr@comcast.net> wrote:

>Based upon the symptoms - it looks as if a memory leak is the culprit - one,
>or more, of the applications is not releasing resources to the Memory
>Manager. Task Manager may be of assistance in diagnosis - Process Explorer
>would be more adequate.
>
>Regarding:
>> I do have my swap file set to 512MB because letting Windows manage it was
>> causing too much swapping and my system was extremely slow while it's >
>> constantly grinding the hard drive (lowering it 512MB showed a huge >
>> performance boost).
>
>Results "...showed a huge performance boost...." ???
>
>Ringmaster - the major problem is not with Vista - but is usually found
>between the chair and keyboard.

There isn't a single word from any of my comments on this topic here,
you do know that, right? I guess not.
>
>
>
>"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ekYT3L0IJHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Set your pagefile back to system managed and be done with it. Vista is
>> very smart in managing memory. It is when we humble users try to outfox
>> the system that we begin having problems.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Desktop Experience
>>
>>
>> "Greg" <greg_68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:38E069D4-3048-4052-AD5D-5741B04D4663@microsoft.com...
>>> Ok, so I have Vista Ultimate 64-bit with 3GB of memory. I'm constantly
>>> having to reboot every few days because Vista will start telling me to
>>> close windows, all of which I need open so I can use them. When I look
>>> at how much of the Page File (according to Task Manager) is in use (when
>>> it pops that up), it's usually around 3.2GB out of 3.4GB. Even when I
>>> close all open windows it's still over 2GB, so re-opening everything
>>> again just gives me the same popup. The only way around it is to reboot
>>> and then it slowly goes back up to the popup and I'm forced to reboot all
>>> over again. Never had a memory problem using the exact same applications
>>> until I upgraded to Vista.
>>>
>>> The apps I normally have open are: E-Mail (the app that came with Vista),
>>> Firefox, FlashFXP, Visual Studio 2008, a few explorer windows, and Excel
>>> 2008. Every 2 or 3 days I'm forced to reboot. It's annoying as hell. I
>>> have 3GB of physical RAM, I shouldn't be having memory problems.
>>>
>>> I do have my swap file set to 512MB because letting Windows manage it was
>>> causing too much swapping and my system was extremely slow while it's
>>> constantly grinding the hard drive (lowering it 512MB showed a huge
>>> performance boost). Either way, I have 3GB of physical memory, it
>>> shouldn't be consuming more than that. When I reboot and load everything
>>> back up and start using it, Page File shows just over 1GB of memory.
>>> Apparently it goes up 1GB every day until I'm forced to reboot.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any suggestions? Any services I can turn off or am I screwed
>>> and have to hope they fix this in Windows 7?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Greg
>>
>

 

[zachd [MSFT]]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps


"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
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> It wouldn't "forget" settings or nag like your mother-in-law over stupid
> things like claiming you wanting to delete a orphaned shortcut from
> your desktop is a "security risk" demanding you give your permission
> first.

That's annoying to me too - but it's likely not a security warning there but
in fact a cross-account issue. It sounds like you're using an application
that installed per-machine shortcuts as opposed to per-account. I hate
per-machine shortcuts too. =P

With per-user (per-account) shortcut everybody gets their own shortcut that
then delete or rearrange as they'd like. Per-machine desktop shortcuts
annoy the bejeesus out of me.

If you're getting a UAC prompt on deletion of a per-user shortcut, that's
pretty interesting and I'd love to know more. But based upon what you've
said, it's a per-machine shortcut that was created with administrative
credentials.

This same behavior generally previously existed in Windows XP and every
previous Windows release where you had admins and non-admins, except before
Vista if you didn't want the per-machine desktop shortcut for Removed
Software 101, you had to have the administrator remove it for you: you
generally couldn't from your account.

-Zach
--
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See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

[Ringmaster]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:34:11 -0700, "zachd [MSFT]"
<zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>news:9h75e4pg5isn8tct2rscevl3ueijj5g8io@4ax.com...
>> It wouldn't "forget" settings or nag like your mother-in-law over stupid
>> things like claiming you wanting to delete a orphaned shortcut from
>> your desktop is a "security risk" demanding you give your permission
>> first.
>
>That's annoying to me too - but it's likely not a security warning there but
>in fact a cross-account issue. It sounds like you're using an application
>that installed per-machine shortcuts as opposed to per-account. I hate
>per-machine shortcuts too. =P
>
>With per-user (per-account) shortcut everybody gets their own shortcut that
>then delete or rearrange as they'd like. Per-machine desktop shortcuts
>annoy the bejeesus out of me.
>
>If you're getting a UAC prompt on deletion of a per-user shortcut, that's
>pretty interesting and I'd love to know more. But based upon what you've
>said, it's a per-machine shortcut that was created with administrative
>credentials.
>
>This same behavior generally previously existed in Windows XP and every
>previous Windows release where you had admins and non-admins, except before
>Vista if you didn't want the per-machine desktop shortcut for Removed
>Software 101, you had to have the administrator remove it for you: you
>generally couldn't from your account.
>
>-Zach

That's interesting, BUT it doesn't address the issue why UAC isn't
smart enough to know a orphaned shortcut isn't and can never be a
security threat since it points to a file that no longer exists.
Obviously a shortcut by itself by it's very nature CAN'T be a threat.

My main gripe about UAC is it doesn't learn from past experience thus
defeating it's purpose in serving as a warning you give any attention
to. If people get the same UAC nag screen dozens, then scores and even
hundreds of times it defeats it's purpose like a boy crying wolf one
too many times to the extend nobody pays any attention. So when
something really bad happens the warning is quickly dismissed without
thought, given no attention at all.

 

[dpic]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps


John;849316 Wrote:
> I agree but... there's a but. Putting 16GB of RAM doesn't solve the
> problem
> the OP seems to be after (at least that's what I think). That is, to
> limit
> the use of paging file to a certain size (eg: 512MB) and let Windows
> use
> physical RAM.
>
> "dpic" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message
> news:bee954c153c7ff06574dd38a00aeeb73@xxxxxx-gateway.com...> > >
> > >
> > > RAM is very cheap...
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > dpic > >

Richard Urban;849411 Wrote:
> Set your pagefile back to system managed and be done with it. Vista is
> very
> smart in managing memory. It is when we humble users try to outfox the
> system that we begin having problems.
>
> --
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
>
> "Greg" <greg_68@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:38E069D4-3048-4052-AD5D-5741B04D4663@xxxxxx


I agree with the above, but also I would jack up the RAM. With Vista's
super prefetch it will run much more efficiently with all the ram you
can throw at it.


--
dpic

 

[zachd [MSFT]]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps


"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
news:qhe5e4lkoamno3703usg0lj3ke5hk3db60@4ax.com...
> That's interesting, BUT it doesn't address the issue why UAC isn't
> smart enough to know a orphaned shortcut isn't and can never be a
> security threat since it points to a file that no longer exists.
> Obviously a shortcut by itself by it's very nature CAN'T be a threat.

You're mixing "threats" and "permissions" here. =) Because you are logged
in as User and you are trying to delete an Admin shortcut, you do not have
*permissions*. That is why you are needing to elevate to Admin: because you
are within this User context accessing Admin files.

You might not have access within your User context to validate the existence
or non-existence of any given file anyways, so without changing to the Admin
account there'd be no way to verify whether the shortcut was truly orphaned.

-Zach
--
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

[Ringmaster]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:56:36 -0500, dpic <guest@unknown-email.com>
wrote:

>
>John;849316 Wrote:
>> I agree but... there's a but. Putting 16GB of RAM doesn't solve the
>> problem
>> the OP seems to be after (at least that's what I think). That is, to
>> limit
>> the use of paging file to a certain size (eg: 512MB) and let Windows
>> use
>> physical RAM.
>>
>> "dpic" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message
>> news:bee954c153c7ff06574dd38a00aeeb73@xxxxxx-gateway.com...> > >
>> > >
>> > > RAM is very cheap...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > dpic > >
>
>Richard Urban;849411 Wrote:
>> Set your pagefile back to system managed and be done with it. Vista is
>> very
>> smart in managing memory. It is when we humble users try to outfox the
>> system that we begin having problems.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Desktop Experience
>>
>>
>> "Greg" <greg_68@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:38E069D4-3048-4052-AD5D-5741B04D4663@xxxxxx
>
>
>I agree with the above, but also I would jack up the RAM. With Vista's
>super prefetch it will run much more efficiently with all the ram you
>can throw at it.

That's oversimplification of the "problem" as I already said. Many
applications are CPU intensive, not benefiting at all from massive
amount of RAM. So prefetching won't help a bit in those situations.
Further if the OP wants to limit the Paging file to a mere 512 MB he
may as well try to get along with no Paging file at all since one that
small is next to useless.

 

[Ringmaster]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:19:54 -0700, "zachd [MSFT]"
<zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>news:qhe5e4lkoamno3703usg0lj3ke5hk3db60@4ax.com...
>> That's interesting, BUT it doesn't address the issue why UAC isn't
>> smart enough to know a orphaned shortcut isn't and can never be a
>> security threat since it points to a file that no longer exists.
>> Obviously a shortcut by itself by it's very nature CAN'T be a threat.
>
>You're mixing "threats" and "permissions" here. =) Because you are logged
>in as User and you are trying to delete an Admin shortcut, you do not have
>*permissions*. That is why you are needing to elevate to Admin: because you
>are within this User context accessing Admin files.
>
>You might not have access within your User context to validate the existence
>or non-existence of any given file anyways, so without changing to the Admin
>account there'd be no way to verify whether the shortcut was truly orphaned.
>
>-Zach

Translation, Vista is so poorly written it doesn't even know what a
orphaned shortcut is. Finally we're getting somewhere. Vista is really
screwed up coding wise isn't it Zech.

 

[zachd [MSFT]]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps


"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
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> Translation, Vista is so poorly written it doesn't even know what a
> orphaned shortcut is. Finally we're getting somewhere.

Allowing trawling of files cross-permissions levels is a security/privacy
concern, so that's rather a feature.

I see we've now begun with the ill-founded insults, and I shall gracefully
leave you to your concerns. Good luck.

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[Not Even Me]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

"Greg" <greg_68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:38E069D4-3048-4052-AD5D-5741B04D4663@microsoft.com...
> Ok, so I have Vista Ultimate 64-bit with 3GB of memory. I'm constantly
> having to reboot every few days because Vista will start telling me to
> close windows, all of which I need open so I can use them. When I look at
> how much of the Page File (according to Task Manager) is in use (when it
> pops that up), it's usually around 3.2GB out of 3.4GB. Even when I close
> all open windows it's still over 2GB, so re-opening everything again just
> gives me the same popup. The only way around it is to reboot and then it
> slowly goes back up to the popup and I'm forced to reboot all over again.
> Never had a memory problem using the exact same applications until I
> upgraded to Vista.
>
> The apps I normally have open are: E-Mail (the app that came with Vista),
> Firefox, FlashFXP, Visual Studio 2008, a few explorer windows, and Excel
> 2008. Every 2 or 3 days I'm forced to reboot. It's annoying as hell. I
> have 3GB of physical RAM, I shouldn't be having memory problems.
>
> I do have my swap file set to 512MB because letting Windows manage it was
> causing too much swapping and my system was extremely slow while it's
> constantly grinding the hard drive (lowering it 512MB showed a huge
> performance boost). Either way, I have 3GB of physical memory, it
> shouldn't be consuming more than that. When I reboot and load everything
> back up and start using it, Page File shows just over 1GB of memory.
> Apparently it goes up 1GB every day until I'm forced to reboot.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? Any services I can turn off or am I screwed
> and have to hope they fix this in Windows 7?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg

Set your pagefile to system managed size.
Unless you have other issues with your system, that should do the best job.
Personally, I install an old 20-40GB HDD and dedicate it just to the swap
file.
That saves the disk thrashing on the main drive for the swapfile.
If your page files is too big for that, you're in trouble...LOL

 

[Ringmaster]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:34:05 -0700, "zachd [MSFT]"
<zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>news:lqr5e4t9ndcj7241qksffh6clp7tplm9n8@4ax.com...
>> Translation, Vista is so poorly written it doesn't even know what a
>> orphaned shortcut is. Finally we're getting somewhere.
>
>Allowing trawling of files cross-permissions levels is a security/privacy
>concern, so that's rather a feature.

Feature? You're trying to sell Vista being so totally stupid it
doesn't know what a orphaned shortcut is and refuses to delete it
without first nagging it could be a "security" problem is a feature?

Maybe you should write David Letterman or Jay Leno and see if you can
do your stick on either of their shows so more people might laugh.

>I see we've now begun with the ill-founded insults, and I shall gracefully
>leave you to your concerns. Good luck.

I see you're running away from another thread because you can never
bring yourself to admit Vista is flawed. If you can't get past first
base, why even bother posting here?

 

[Ringmaster's Psychiatrist]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps


"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
news8c5e4hiu7ii0l1ka7oor6jrkcvl6pmcdc@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:37:31 -0400, "AJR" <ajrjdr@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Based upon the symptoms - it looks as if a memory leak is the culprit -
>>one,
>>or more, of the applications is not releasing resources to the Memory
>>Manager. Task Manager may be of assistance in diagnosis - Process
>>Explorer
>>would be more adequate.
>>
>>Regarding:
>>> I do have my swap file set to 512MB because letting Windows manage it
>>> was
>>> causing too much swapping and my system was extremely slow while it's >
>>> constantly grinding the hard drive (lowering it 512MB showed a huge >
>>> performance boost).
>>
>>Results "...showed a huge performance boost...." ???
>>
>>Ringmaster - the major problem is not with Vista - but is usually found
>>between the chair and keyboard.
>
> There isn't a single word from any of my comments on this topic here,
> you do know that, right? I guess not.
>>

You are wrong as usual. But nobody can tell you that you are wrong. You
are one of those 'the world revolves around Ringmaster' types of idiots who
alienates everybody.

 

[Ringmaster]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:17:21 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
<ringmaster@psyc.com> wrote:

>
>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>news8c5e4hiu7ii0l1ka7oor6jrkcvl6pmcdc@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:37:31 -0400, "AJR" <ajrjdr@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Based upon the symptoms - it looks as if a memory leak is the culprit -
>>>one,
>>>or more, of the applications is not releasing resources to the Memory
>>>Manager. Task Manager may be of assistance in diagnosis - Process
>>>Explorer
>>>would be more adequate.
>>>
>>>Regarding:
>>>> I do have my swap file set to 512MB because letting Windows manage it
>>>> was
>>>> causing too much swapping and my system was extremely slow while it's >
>>>> constantly grinding the hard drive (lowering it 512MB showed a huge >
>>>> performance boost).
>>>
>>>Results "...showed a huge performance boost...." ???
>>>
>>>Ringmaster - the major problem is not with Vista - but is usually found
>>>between the chair and keyboard.
>>
>> There isn't a single word from any of my comments on this topic here,
>> you do know that, right? I guess not.
>>>
>
>You are wrong as usual. But nobody can tell you that you are wrong. You
>are one of those 'the world revolves around Ringmaster' types of idiots who
>alienates everybody.

I deal in facts and make mincemeat out of losers like you. Trust me, I
enjoy doing it. Funny, you'll always remain too stupid to know you are
far out matched and always come across as a raving loon.

 

[Ringmaster's Psychiatrist]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps


"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
news927e4pgerse1c7cg67honaq921udo4bi5@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:17:21 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
> <ringmaster@psyc.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>>news8c5e4hiu7ii0l1ka7oor6jrkcvl6pmcdc@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:37:31 -0400, "AJR" <ajrjdr@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Based upon the symptoms - it looks as if a memory leak is the culprit -
>>>>one,
>>>>or more, of the applications is not releasing resources to the Memory
>>>>Manager. Task Manager may be of assistance in diagnosis - Process
>>>>Explorer
>>>>would be more adequate.
>>>>
>>>>Regarding:
>>>>> I do have my swap file set to 512MB because letting Windows manage it
>>>>> was
>>>>> causing too much swapping and my system was extremely slow while it's
>>>>> >
>>>>> constantly grinding the hard drive (lowering it 512MB showed a huge >
>>>>> performance boost).
>>>>
>>>>Results "...showed a huge performance boost...." ???
>>>>
>>>>Ringmaster - the major problem is not with Vista - but is usually found
>>>>between the chair and keyboard.
>>>
>>> There isn't a single word from any of my comments on this topic here,
>>> you do know that, right? I guess not.
>>>>
>>
>>You are wrong as usual. But nobody can tell you that you are wrong. You
>>are one of those 'the world revolves around Ringmaster' types of idiots
>>who
>>alienates everybody.
>
> I deal in facts and make mincemeat out of losers like you. Trust me, I
> enjoy doing it. Funny, you'll always remain too stupid to know you are
> far out matched and always come across as a raving loon.
>

Humans don't always deal with facts. No wonder why this is your "hobby".
You sit in front of a computer which has no emotion. Now go pound your
chest and say that you are smarter than a 5th grader.

I don't know if you have seen the show "Are you smarter than a 5th grader",
but every once-in-a-while, they have some IVY leage stuffed shirt who thinks
he is smarter than everyone else, but they always perform worse than the
average contenstant on the show.

You remind me of one of those idiots. Take your head out of your ass.

 

[Ringmaster]

Re: 3GB RAM and it's always telling me to close apps

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:42:42 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
<ringmaster@psyc.com> wrote:

>
>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>news927e4pgerse1c7cg67honaq921udo4bi5@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:17:21 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
>> <ringmaster@psyc.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>>>news8c5e4hiu7ii0l1ka7oor6jrkcvl6pmcdc@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:37:31 -0400, "AJR" <ajrjdr@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Based upon the symptoms - it looks as if a memory leak is the culprit -
>>>>>one,
>>>>>or more, of the applications is not releasing resources to the Memory
>>>>>Manager. Task Manager may be of assistance in diagnosis - Process
>>>>>Explorer
>>>>>would be more adequate.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding:
>>>>>> I do have my swap file set to 512MB because letting Windows manage it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> causing too much swapping and my system was extremely slow while it's
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> constantly grinding the hard drive (lowering it 512MB showed a huge >
>>>>>> performance boost).
>>>>>
>>>>>Results "...showed a huge performance boost...." ???
>>>>>
>>>>>Ringmaster - the major problem is not with Vista - but is usually found
>>>>>between the chair and keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> There isn't a single word from any of my comments on this topic here,
>>>> you do know that, right? I guess not.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>You are wrong as usual. But nobody can tell you that you are wrong. You
>>>are one of those 'the world revolves around Ringmaster' types of idiots
>>>who
>>>alienates everybody.
>>
>> I deal in facts and make mincemeat out of losers like you. Trust me, I
>> enjoy doing it. Funny, you'll always remain too stupid to know you are
>> far out matched and always come across as a raving loon.
>>
>
>Humans don't always deal with facts. No wonder why this is your "hobby".
>You sit in front of a computer which has no emotion. Now go pound your
>chest and say that you are smarter than a 5th grader.
>
>I don't know if you have seen the show "Are you smarter than a 5th grader",
>but every once-in-a-while, they have some IVY leage stuffed shirt who thinks
>he is smarter than everyone else, but they always perform worse than the
>average contenstant on the show.
>
>You remind me of one of those idiots. Take your head out of your ass.

Again you offer nothing of value and engage in personal attacks. That
makes you a very petty closed minded and clearly a always angry
poster.

You watch Smarter than a 5th grander? I would think with your limited
mental capacity the new show "hole in the wall" would be more your
speed. Maybe American Gladiators, or wrestling.

You haven't demonstrated any capacity to suggest any TV show requiring
you engage your brain even at a minimal level would be suitable
viewing for you. I bet your favorite all time film is Jackass, the
movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwN35uKFe80