Win98 to 2000

[Cottonmouth]

I've been using W98 for years without problems, but it's getting so there's
too many things I can't use/access with W98. My sister has offered me
Win2000 so to bring me out of the dark ages. The questions I have are; is
W2000 a memory hog(384meg); would it be better to make it dual bootable
with W98 so if I had problems I'd still be able to fall back on W98? Are
all the patches readily available for download or on CD? It's been a long,
long time since I've upgraded and I'm a little nervous about jumping into
it. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Anon]

Re: Win98 to 2000

Cottonmouth wrote:
> I've been using W98 for years without problems, but it's getting so there's
> too many things I can't use/access with W98. My sister has offered me
> Win2000 so to bring me out of the dark ages.

I stayed with DOS until after W2000 came out, when I upgraded to W98.
Then I stayed with W98 until well after XP came out when I upgraded to
W2000 (my nephew gave it to me. Lately I have been looking at XP.

> The questions I have are; is W2000 a memory hog(384meg);

W2k needs more memory than W98, but 384meg is enough, my system ran okay
with 256meg, but it runs better with 512meg, and with the current price
of memory I'm considering getting more. If your motherboard can support
it, it wouldn't hurt to get some more.

> would it be better to make it dual bootable
> with W98 so if I had problems I'd still be able to fall back on W98?

Yes. There are things you are running on W98 that will not run on W2k.
When I upgraded my wifes system from W98 to XP, there were a lot of
things that wouldn't run on W98, games and other things, and I regretted
that I didn't make it a dual boot system.

> Are all the patches readily available for download or on CD?

You will need SP4 if it's not already slipstreamed into the W2k CD, and
the Security Rollup. You can still get them from the Microsoft site,
but I understand that they are going to cut it off before long.

> It's been a long,
> long time since I've upgraded and I'm a little nervous about jumping into
> it. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

You also need to go through all your devices, motherboard, LAN card,
video card, printer, scanner, etc. and make sure there are W2k drivers
for them. Anything you can't find a driver for will have to be replaced.

 

[philo]

Re: Win98 to 2000


"Cottonmouth" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B2F929FDCA03myemailemalecom@216.77.188.18...
> I've been using W98 for years without problems, but it's getting so
there's
> too many things I can't use/access with W98. My sister has offered me
> Win2000 so to bring me out of the dark ages. The questions I have are; is
> W2000 a memory hog(384meg); would it be better to make it dual bootable
> with W98 so if I had problems I'd still be able to fall back on W98? Are
> all the patches readily available for download or on CD? It's been a
long,
> long time since I've upgraded and I'm a little nervous about jumping into
> it. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.


I run a number of different operating systems here, but my main one is
Win2000.

It's far superior to Win98...and though it does require more RAM, your 384
megs should be plenty.

One thing though, it is NOT a good idea to attempt an upgrade of Win98 ==>
Win2k...
It is sure to have problems.

The best thing to do is dual boot,
that way you can configure your Win2k but until you are fully up and
running,
you will still have your Win98 to use.

The important thing is that Win2k be installed on a SEPARATE partition from
Win98,
so if your drive has only one partition, you may want to just put a 2nd
drive in your machine.

Once Win2k is installed, you will need a lot of updates, but they are still
avail from the update site.

First thing I'd do is install SP4 if your CD is older...
next, install IE6

once sp4 and IE6 are installed, you can get all the updates...
there will be at least 50 of them or more but it is a very good idea to
install them.


You will also want to go with a virus checker and you should probably
install that prior to putting the machine on line

 

[Cottonmouth]

Re: Win98 to 2000

Anon <Anon@bogus.com> wrote in
news:#pmUSi$JJHA.4940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> Cottonmouth wrote:
>> I've been using W98 for years without problems, but it's getting so
>> there's too many things I can't use/access with W98. My sister has
>> offered me Win2000 so to bring me out of the dark ages.
>
> I stayed with DOS until after W2000 came out, when I upgraded to W98.
> Then I stayed with W98 until well after XP came out when I upgraded to
> W2000 (my nephew gave it to me. Lately I have been looking at XP.

Geez! And I thought I stayed with DOS a long time. I broke down and got
Win3.1 for Workgroups after W95 came out.

>
>> The questions I have are; is W2000 a memory hog(384meg);
>
> W2k needs more memory than W98, but 384meg is enough, my system ran
> okay with 256meg, but it runs better with 512meg, and with the current
> price of memory I'm considering getting more. If your motherboard can
> support it, it wouldn't hurt to get some more.
>
>> would it be better to make it dual bootable
>> with W98 so if I had problems I'd still be able to fall back on W98?
>
> Yes. There are things you are running on W98 that will not run on

Yeah, I guess dual-boot is the way to go then.


>
>> Are all the patches readily available for download or on CD?
>
> You will need SP4 if it's not already slipstreamed into the W2k CD,
> and the Security Rollup. You can still get them from the Microsoft
> site, but I understand that they are going to cut it off before long.

Since I haven't received the disk yet, I'll have to wait and see what
version it has on it.

> You also need to go through all your devices, motherboard, LAN card,
> video card, printer, scanner, etc. and make sure there are W2k drivers
> for them. Anything you can't find a driver for will have to be
> replaced.

Holy hell! I have a really old Scantastic scanner/w it's own card and I
don't remember if it's 16bit or 32bit. Oh well, probably time I upgraded
that too. Scanners are cheap these days. So much of my stuff has been in
there 'forever' I may well be looking at just gutting this thing and
building it anew. I really don't look forward to that!

Thanks much for your reply.

 

[Cottonmouth]

Re: Win98 to 2000

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
news:uBvQ3m$JJHA.5972@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>
> "Cottonmouth" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B2F929FDCA03myemailemalecom@216.77.188.18...

>
> The important thing is that Win2k be installed on a SEPARATE partition
> from Win98,
> so if your drive has only one partition, you may want to just put a
> 2nd drive in your machine.

This is a good point and I'm glad you brought it up. My drive has two
partitions, C and D. Question is, will W2000 install on the D drive? They
usually default to 'C'. Does it give you the option of installing on the
'D' drive?

>
> Once Win2k is installed, you will need a lot of updates, but they are
> still avail from the update site.
> First thing I'd do is install SP4 if your CD is older...
> next, install IE6
> once sp4 and IE6 are installed, you can get all the updates...
> there will be at least 50 of them or more but it is a very good idea
> to install them.

Is SP4 an update that can be downloaded or is it an upgrade?
I take it that the updates require you have IE6 installed. Guess I can
tolerate it till I get the updating done. I'm a Mozilla man.

> You will also want to go with a virus checker and you should probably
> install that prior to putting the machine on line

You can be certain of that! I had to re-install W98 on a new hard-drive
and made the mistake of checking mail with Outhouse Express. Damn thing
promply installed a virus for me! I had to format the drive and re-re-
install.

Thanks to you guys, I've got a better prospective on what I'm looking at.
Dammit, I'm happy with W98 and really hate to make the move, but progress
happens.<sigh>

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: Win98 to 2000

Cottonmouth wrote:

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:uBvQ3m$JJHA.5972@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>
>
>>"Cottonmouth" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9B2F929FDCA03myemailemalecom@216.77.188.18...
>
>
>>The important thing is that Win2k be installed on a SEPARATE partition
>>from Win98,
>>so if your drive has only one partition, you may want to just put a
>>2nd drive in your machine.
>
>
> This is a good point and I'm glad you brought it up. My drive has two
> partitions, C and D. Question is, will W2000 install on the D drive? They
> usually default to 'C'. Does it give you the option of installing on the
> 'D' drive?

It doesn't bother Windows 2000 at all to be installed on a drive other
than C:. When you install Windows 2000 you will be given a choice of
which disk/partition you want to install on, it will also create a
multiboot setup if a previous Windows version is detected during the
installation.



>>Once Win2k is installed, you will need a lot of updates, but they are
>>still avail from the update site.
>>First thing I'd do is install SP4 if your CD is older...
>>next, install IE6
>>once sp4 and IE6 are installed, you can get all the updates...
>>there will be at least 50 of them or more but it is a very good idea
>>to install them.
>
>
> Is SP4 an update that can be downloaded or is it an upgrade?
> I take it that the updates require you have IE6 installed. Guess I can
> tolerate it till I get the updating done. I'm a Mozilla man.

Make sure that you apply these *before* you connect to an outside network!

http://download.microsoft.com/download/E/6/A/E6A04295-D2A8-40D0-A0C5-241BFECD095E/W2KSP4_EN.EXE
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-043.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-049.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...CF-8850-4531-B52B-BF28B324C662&displaylang=en



>>You will also want to go with a virus checker and you should probably
>>install that prior to putting the machine on line
>
>
> You can be certain of that! I had to re-install W98 on a new hard-drive
> and made the mistake of checking mail with Outhouse Express. Damn thing
> promply installed a virus for me! I had to format the drive and re-re-
> install.

Before you connect to the internet you need to protect Windows 2000 with
a firewall!

John

 

[philo]

Re: Win98 to 2000


"Cottonmouth" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B306CFA1F7BEmyemailemalecom@216.77.188.18...
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:uBvQ3m$JJHA.5972@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>
> >
> > "Cottonmouth" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns9B2F929FDCA03myemailemalecom@216.77.188.18...
>
> >
> > The important thing is that Win2k be installed on a SEPARATE partition
> > from Win98,
> > so if your drive has only one partition, you may want to just put a
> > 2nd drive in your machine.
>
> This is a good point and I'm glad you brought it up. My drive has two
> partitions, C and D. Question is, will W2000 install on the D drive?
They
> usually default to 'C'. Does it give you the option of installing on the
> 'D' drive?
>
> >

Yes, you can install it on the D: drive...no problem...

just watch the installer options carefully!!!!


> > Once Win2k is installed, you will need a lot of updates, but they are
> > still avail from the update site.
> > First thing I'd do is install SP4 if your CD is older...
> > next, install IE6
> > once sp4 and IE6 are installed, you can get all the updates...
> > there will be at least 50 of them or more but it is a very good idea
> > to install them.
>
> Is SP4 an update that can be downloaded or is it an upgrade?
> I take it that the updates require you have IE6 installed. Guess I can
> tolerate it till I get the updating done. I'm a Mozilla man.
>
> > You will also want to go with a virus checker and you should probably
> > install that prior to putting the machine on line
>
> You can be certain of that! I had to re-install W98 on a new hard-drive
> and made the mistake of checking mail with Outhouse Express. Damn thing
> promply installed a virus for me! I had to format the drive and re-re-
> install.
>
> Thanks to you guys, I've got a better prospective on what I'm looking at.
> Dammit, I'm happy with W98 and really hate to make the move, but progress
> happens.<sigh>
>
>

 

[TestTurtle]

Re: Win98 to 2000

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in
news:#$hN8kJKJHA.2444@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> Cottonmouth wrote:

For W98 go here:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?
dg=microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update&tid=2a0d5b40-
4b4e-4407-bd66-e14c3962a79c&cat=en_US_1e460e32-d1c1-4b19-b946-
627dc9559b28&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=&p=1

or
http://tinyurl.com/4o3skm
http://tinyurl.com/4tzvd6

If tinyurl doesn't work..you'll have to c & p the full one to a new
tab/empty address bar in FF.



>
> It doesn't bother Windows 2000 at all to be installed on a drive
> other than C:. When you install Windows 2000 you will be given
> a choice of which disk/partition you want to install on, it will
> also create a multiboot setup if a previous Windows version is
> detected during the installation.
>
>
>
>>>Once Win2k is installed, you will need a lot of updates, but
>>>they are still avail from the update site.
>>>First thing I'd do is install SP4 if your CD is older...
>>>next, install IE6
>>>once sp4 and IE6 are installed, you can get all the updates...
>>>there will be at least 50 of them or more but it is a very good
>>>idea to install them.
>>
>>
>> Is SP4 an update that can be downloaded or is it an upgrade?

You can still order SP4 Cds in US and CAN.

> Make sure that you apply these *before* you connect to an
> outside network!
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/E/6/A/E6A04295-D2A8-40D0-A
> 0C5-241BFECD095E/W2KSP4_EN.EXE
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-043.mspx
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-049.mspx
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?amp;displaylang=e
> n&familyid=B54730CF-8850-4531-B52B-BF28B324C662&displaylang=en
>
>
>
> Before you connect to the internet you need to protect Windows
> 2000 with a firewall!
>
> John
>
>
Well that's really really paranoid, when doing a rebuild or new
build I just go directly to Microsoft [after installing AVG, which
so far 7.5 is still getting definition updates,and Spybot S&D, or
you may want one of the all-in-one packages like 8.0] get the IE6
[though I think the last time I put it somewhere as a file,for
later use] let it update to the
rollup...disconnect...reboot..connect...update your antivirus and
spyware killer(s) disconnect and run a check on your system then
reboot, go to the Kaspersky site and let it run as a double check.
Stick with Firefox or your favourite flavour of Netscape[yes I know
about March 1st,2008 but there is an archive] but IE6 is used for
various things like HTML help as the above site will tell you.

As for Firewalls....I say it depends on your level of experience...
I got fed up trying to teach ZoneAlarm and the others right from
wrong/yes and no and just got a high bandwidth modem that can be
disconnected from the AC power without having to be
reset/reconfigured each time. Though I expect to have to change in
2010 when Microslop says they'll stop security patches for W2kP.
In which case I hope to find a firewall that doesn't take up as
much home time as previously.

That's my firewall, AC plug in/plug out, though not recommended for
business, in which case one could write off the expense of a pay-
for solution/subscription for computers that are connected 24/7 to
the WWW, in their taxes.
The firewall in XP was put there mainly to protect the casual user.

I also keep the most precious data on removables,floppies,bernouli
boxes,Zip disks etc and now, flashdrives and memory sticks, 'cause
if its not there they can't get at it.

I have 23 harmless tracking cookies and two harmless MRUs each
makes it easier to re-log on to my trusted sites and if I used Ad-
Aware to kill them I'd have to logon the slow way, from scratch
each time. The harmful ones get killed right away anyhow.

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: Win98 to 2000

TestTurtle wrote:

> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in

>>Before you connect to the internet you need to protect Windows
>>2000 with a firewall!

> Well that's really really paranoid, when doing a rebuild or new
> build I just go directly to Microsoft

There is nothing paranoid about this, an unpatched Windows 2000
installation can be infected in less than one minute after connecting to
the internet! As for running any NT versions without a firewall
(hardware or software type) that is just plainly not a very good idea.

John

 

[TestTurtle]

Re: Win98 to 2000

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in
news:#M9A5baKJHA.2444@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> TestTurtle wrote:
>
>> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in
>
>>>Before you connect to the internet you need to protect Windows
>>>2000 with a firewall!
>
>> Well that's really really paranoid, when doing a rebuild or new
>> build I just go directly to Microsoft.........read the rest
>
> There is nothing paranoid about this, an unpatched Windows 2000
> installation can be infected in less than one minute after
> connecting to the internet! As for running any NT versions
> without a firewall (hardware or software type) that is just
> plainly not a very good idea.
>
> John


Which is why I emphasized going straight to M$ update site, going
nowhere else until you've checked your system then double checking
with the free Kaspersky site and my on/off modem serves well as a
hardware firewall, I should have added to quarantine all downloads
until your anti-viral and anti-spyware has a chance to examine before
moving to separate storage and again, it depends on your level of
experience.

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: Win98 to 2000

TestTurtle wrote:

> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in
> news:#M9A5baKJHA.2444@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>
>
>>TestTurtle wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in
>>
>>>>Before you connect to the internet you need to protect Windows
>>>>2000 with a firewall!
>>
>>>Well that's really really paranoid, when doing a rebuild or new
>>>build I just go directly to Microsoft.........read the rest
>>
>>There is nothing paranoid about this, an unpatched Windows 2000
>>installation can be infected in less than one minute after
>>connecting to the internet! As for running any NT versions
>>without a firewall (hardware or software type) that is just
>>plainly not a very good idea.
>>
>>John
>
>
>
> Which is why I emphasized going straight to M$ update site, going
> nowhere else until you've checked your system then double checking
> with the free Kaspersky site and my on/off modem serves well as a
> hardware firewall, I should have added to quarantine all downloads
> until your anti-viral and anti-spyware has a chance to examine before
> moving to separate storage and again, it depends on your level of
> experience.

You can get infected before you even make it to the Microsoft site and
do the downloads. As installed Windows 2000 is extremely vulnerable,
either patch the machine or setup a firewall *before* connecting to the
internet. If you have a hardware firwall then you will be protected.

John