Server 2008 TS RemoteApp Maximum Number of Users

[Andy DeAngelis]

Good morning.

I am currently in the process of developing an infrastructure solution to
publish Internet Explorer via RemoteApp to over 600 different locations,
averaging around 5 end users per location (for a grand total of 3000 end
users). The reason I am doing this is that my client uses a web application
that is critical for their day to day business, but only has on average a
128kb frame connection (some connections as low as 56kb dial up!) from the
remote locations to the datacenter, with 64kb dedicated to VoIP. This frame
connection also is used for email, internet, etc.

My thought process is to publish Internet Explorer through TS RemoteApp.
The client will connect to a Gateway server (SSL), then on to the TS server.
This will not only satisfy the need for a low bandwidth solution, but also
for the client's need to ensure encryption between the remote location and
the datacenter.

I have set up and tested the configuration listed above successfully with a
variety of bandwidth limitations, and am fully confident that this solution
will work. My question is, how would I determine the following:

a. How many concurrent connections I can have through 1 128kb frame?

b. How many users could I have connected to one TS Server at any given time
if IE is the only app being published?

c. How would I test the load on the server to determine its maximum
capacity?

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Andy

 

[Jeff Pitsch]

Re: Server 2008 TS RemoteApp Maximum Number of Users

See inline

Jeff Pitsch
Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services

Andy DeAngelis wrote:
> Good morning.
>
> I am currently in the process of developing an infrastructure solution
> to publish Internet Explorer via RemoteApp to over 600 different
> locations, averaging around 5 end users per location (for a grand total
> of 3000 end users). The reason I am doing this is that my client uses a
> web application that is critical for their day to day business, but only
> has on average a 128kb frame connection (some connections as low as 56kb
> dial up!) from the remote locations to the datacenter, with 64kb
> dedicated to VoIP. This frame connection also is used for email,
> internet, etc.
>
> My thought process is to publish Internet Explorer through TS RemoteApp.
> The client will connect to a Gateway server (SSL), then on to the TS
> server. This will not only satisfy the need for a low bandwidth
> solution, but also for the client's need to ensure encryption between
> the remote location and the datacenter.
>
> I have set up and tested the configuration listed above successfully
> with a variety of bandwidth limitations, and am fully confident that
> this solution will work. My question is, how would I determine the
> following:
>
> a. How many concurrent connections I can have through 1 128kb frame?

Unknown really since there are many factors that determine this but the
most will be how much traffic is generated by your application
especially from screen redraws. You can estimate (and this means basic
functionality with very little screen draws. think something like MS
Word) 32k per user but that does not include printing, drive
redirection, etc. If you use flash or animated gifs or anything that
forces lots of screen refreshes then that number will increase
dramatically while decreasing your number of users. the only true way
of knowing is test, test, test.

>
> b. How many users could I have connected to one TS Server at any given
> time if IE is the only app being published?

Potentially hundreds, potentially under 50 but the only true way of
knowing is do your own baseline testing. We can all give you estimates
but you'll only ever know by testing, testing, testing

>
> c. How would I test the load on the server to determine its maximum
> capacity?

Brian Madden (http://www.brianmadden.com) wrote a Windows 2003 TS book
that has testing methodology in it that applies to win2k8 or any server
version today. i would download the free book and use that methodology.

>
> Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Andy

 

[Andy DeAngelis]

Re: Server 2008 TS RemoteApp Maximum Number of Users

Thank you very much! This points me in the right direction!

Andy

"Jeff Pitsch" <jeff.pitsch.fake@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote in message
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> See inline
>
> Jeff Pitsch
> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services
>
> Andy DeAngelis wrote:
>> Good morning.
>>
>> I am currently in the process of developing an infrastructure solution to
>> publish Internet Explorer via RemoteApp to over 600 different locations,
>> averaging around 5 end users per location (for a grand total of 3000 end
>> users). The reason I am doing this is that my client uses a web
>> application that is critical for their day to day business, but only has
>> on average a 128kb frame connection (some connections as low as 56kb dial
>> up!) from the remote locations to the datacenter, with 64kb dedicated to
>> VoIP. This frame connection also is used for email, internet, etc.
>>
>> My thought process is to publish Internet Explorer through TS RemoteApp.
>> The client will connect to a Gateway server (SSL), then on to the TS
>> server. This will not only satisfy the need for a low bandwidth solution,
>> but also for the client's need to ensure encryption between the remote
>> location and the datacenter.
>>
>> I have set up and tested the configuration listed above successfully with
>> a variety of bandwidth limitations, and am fully confident that this
>> solution will work. My question is, how would I determine the following:
>>
>> a. How many concurrent connections I can have through 1 128kb frame?
>
> Unknown really since there are many factors that determine this but the
> most will be how much traffic is generated by your application especially
> from screen redraws. You can estimate (and this means basic functionality
> with very little screen draws. think something like MS Word) 32k per user
> but that does not include printing, drive redirection, etc. If you use
> flash or animated gifs or anything that forces lots of screen refreshes
> then that number will increase dramatically while decreasing your number
> of users. the only true way of knowing is test, test, test.
>
>>
>> b. How many users could I have connected to one TS Server at any given
>> time if IE is the only app being published?
>
> Potentially hundreds, potentially under 50 but the only true way of
> knowing is do your own baseline testing. We can all give you estimates
> but you'll only ever know by testing, testing, testing
>
>>
>> c. How would I test the load on the server to determine its maximum
>> capacity?
>
> Brian Madden (http://www.brianmadden.com) wrote a Windows 2003 TS book
> that has testing methodology in it that applies to win2k8 or any server
> version today. i would download the free book and use that methodology.
>
>>
>> Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Andy