Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

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I'm told that some mfgers will sell quad core PCs with Vista, but
provide a way to replace it with XP (Pro, I hope). If so, which mfgers
provide machines that are able to get back to XP?

In general, I've heard that most (maybe) new PCs with Vista probably
cannot be reset to XP--possible hardware-driver conflicts. Further, MS
is putting together a new OS that will supersede Vista in a few years.
Comments?
 
Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

On Oct 8, 5:24 pm, Watty <notva...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I'm told that some mfgers will sell quad core PCs with Vista, but
> provide a way to replace it with XP (Pro, I hope). If so, which mfgers
> provide machines that are able to get back to XP?
>
> In general, I've heard that most (maybe) new PCs with Vista probably
> cannot be reset to XP--possible hardware-driver conflicts. Further, MS
> is putting together a new OS that will supersede Vista in a few years.
> Comments?

Manufacturer's can only "really" provide XP "downgrade" possibility
(officially) on Vista Business or Ultimate based PCs. For the other
versions, you are on your own.

Yes, several PC can be delivered with components that do not have any
XP drivers.

Yes, Microsoft is working on the next version of Windows. It is known
as Windows 7 (for now.)
 
Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

smlunatick wrote:
> On Oct 8, 5:24 pm, Watty <notva...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> I'm told that some mfgers will sell quad core PCs with Vista, but
>> provide a way to replace it with XP (Pro, I hope). If so, which mfgers
>> provide machines that are able to get back to XP?
>>
>> In general, I've heard that most (maybe) new PCs with Vista probably
>> cannot be reset to XP--possible hardware-driver conflicts. Further, MS
>> is putting together a new OS that will supersede Vista in a few years.
>> Comments?
>
> Manufacturer's can only "really" provide XP "downgrade" possibility
> (officially) on Vista Business or Ultimate based PCs. For the other
> versions, you are on your own.
>
> Yes, several PC can be delivered with components that do not have any
> XP drivers.
>
> Yes, Microsoft is working on the next version of Windows. It is known
> as Windows 7 (for now.)
I would gather then that I need to search for something like:
...?

I just talked to hp and they know nothing about it. Not surprising
though. I have a pretty expensive and fairly popular piece of software
that I'm told will not run on Vista, Vegas, a video movie editor program.
 
Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

Yet to be defeated in getting XP to work, though have often found that the
drivers provided by the OEM are incomplete or incorrect, necessitating some
scouring-around. Point of fact, Server 2003 uses much the same drivers, and I
can't see manufacturers turning-out hardware which will not run that.

"smlunatick" wrote:

> On Oct 8, 5:24 pm, Watty <notva...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > I'm told that some mfgers will sell quad core PCs with Vista, but
> > provide a way to replace it with XP (Pro, I hope). If so, which mfgers
> > provide machines that are able to get back to XP?
> >
> > In general, I've heard that most (maybe) new PCs with Vista probably
> > cannot be reset to XP--possible hardware-driver conflicts. Further, MS
> > is putting together a new OS that will supersede Vista in a few years.
> > Comments?
>
> Manufacturer's can only "really" provide XP "downgrade" possibility
> (officially) on Vista Business or Ultimate based PCs. For the other
> versions, you are on your own.
>
> Yes, several PC can be delivered with components that do not have any
> XP drivers.
>
> Yes, Microsoft is working on the next version of Windows. It is known
> as Windows 7 (for now.)
>
 
Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

"Watty" <notvalid@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> smlunatick wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 5:24 pm, Watty <notva...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> I'm told that some mfgers will sell quad core PCs with Vista, but
>>> provide a way to replace it with XP (Pro, I hope). If so, which mfgers
>>> provide machines that are able to get back to XP?
>>>
>>> In general, I've heard that most (maybe) new PCs with Vista probably
>>> cannot be reset to XP--possible hardware-driver conflicts. Further, MS
>>> is putting together a new OS that will supersede Vista in a few years.
>>> Comments?
>>
>> Manufacturer's can only "really" provide XP "downgrade" possibility
>> (officially) on Vista Business or Ultimate based PCs. For the other
>> versions, you are on your own.
>>
>> Yes, several PC can be delivered with components that do not have any
>> XP drivers.
>>
>> Yes, Microsoft is working on the next version of Windows. It is known
>> as Windows 7 (for now.)
> I would gather then that I need to search for something like:
> ...?
>
> I just talked to hp and they know nothing about it. Not surprising though.
> I have a pretty expensive and fairly popular piece of software that I'm
> told will not run on Vista, Vegas, a video movie editor program.


Have you contacted the Vegas Movie Editor software authors yet?


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Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Watty" <notvalid@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:sB5Hk.1982$Ei5.564@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> smlunatick wrote:
>>> On Oct 8, 5:24 pm, Watty <notva...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> I'm told that some mfgers will sell quad core PCs with Vista, but
>>>> provide a way to replace it with XP (Pro, I hope). If so, which mfgers
>>>> provide machines that are able to get back to XP?
>>>>
>>>> In general, I've heard that most (maybe) new PCs with Vista probably
>>>> cannot be reset to XP--possible hardware-driver conflicts. Further, MS
>>>> is putting together a new OS that will supersede Vista in a few years.
>>>> Comments?
>>>
>>> Manufacturer's can only "really" provide XP "downgrade" possibility
>>> (officially) on Vista Business or Ultimate based PCs. For the other
>>> versions, you are on your own.
>>>
>>> Yes, several PC can be delivered with components that do not have any
>>> XP drivers.
>>>
>>> Yes, Microsoft is working on the next version of Windows. It is known
>>> as Windows 7 (for now.)
>> I would gather then that I need to search for something like:
>> ...?
>>
>> I just talked to hp and they know nothing about it. Not surprising
>> though. I have a pretty expensive and fairly popular piece of software
>> that I'm told will not run on Vista, Vegas, a video movie editor program.
>
>
> Have you contacted the Vegas Movie Editor software authors yet?
>
>
Actually not, but a very savvy friend on it says no; however, I'm sure
it won't hurt to ask. It may be that v7.0 does but 6.0 does not. I have
6.0.
 
Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

Anteaus wrote:
> Yet to be defeated in getting XP to work, though have often found that the
> drivers provided by the OEM are incomplete or incorrect, necessitating some
> scouring-around. Point of fact, Server 2003 uses much the same drivers, and I
> can't see manufacturers turning-out hardware which will not run that.
>
> "smlunatick" wrote:
>
>> On Oct 8, 5:24 pm, Watty <notva...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> I'm told that some mfgers will sell quad core PCs with Vista, but
>>> provide a way to replace it with XP (Pro, I hope). If so, which mfgers
>>> provide machines that are able to get back to XP?
>>>
>>> In general, I've heard that most (maybe) new PCs with Vista probably
>>> cannot be reset to XP--possible hardware-driver conflicts. Further, MS
>>> is putting together a new OS that will supersede Vista in a few years.
>>> Comments?
>> Manufacturer's can only "really" provide XP "downgrade" possibility
>> (officially) on Vista Business or Ultimate based PCs. For the other
>> versions, you are on your own.
>>
>> Yes, several PC can be delivered with components that do not have any
>> XP drivers.
>>
>> Yes, Microsoft is working on the next version of Windows. It is known
>> as Windows 7 (for now.)
>>
I'm going to try to avoid the whole issue by finding a quad core
machine, used or otherwise, that had XP on it.
 
Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:24:31 -0700, Watty <notvalid@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> I'm told that some mfgers will sell quad core PCs with Vista, but
> provide a way to replace it with XP (Pro, I hope). If so, which mfgers
> provide machines that are able to get back to XP?
>
> In general, I've heard that most (maybe) new PCs with Vista probably
> cannot be reset to XP--possible hardware-driver conflicts.


I'm not sure that it's *most*, but there are certainly some computers
that don't have XP drivers for all their hardware. That's more likely
with a laptop than a desktop, though.

Personally, I'm happy with Vista, and that's my choice. I wouldn't be
looking for XP on a machine I bought.


> Further, MS
> is putting together a new OS that will supersede Vista in a few years.


True, but regardless of what the current version of Windows is, and
regardless of what year it is, that's *always* true. Whatever the
current version of Windows is, Microsoft is always working on the next
version and it's likely to be released within the next few years. If
that keeps you from buying the current version, you can never buy the
current version of anything, whether it's Windows, a car, or anything
else.

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Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:24:31 -0700, Watty <notvalid@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm told that some mfgers will sell quad core PCs with Vista, but
>> provide a way to replace it with XP (Pro, I hope). If so, which mfgers
>> provide machines that are able to get back to XP?
>>
>> In general, I've heard that most (maybe) new PCs with Vista probably
>> cannot be reset to XP--possible hardware-driver conflicts.
>
>
> I'm not sure that it's *most*, but there are certainly some computers
> that don't have XP drivers for all their hardware. That's more likely
> with a laptop than a desktop, though.
>
> Personally, I'm happy with Vista, and that's my choice. I wouldn't be
> looking for XP on a machine I bought.
>
>
>> Further, MS
>> is putting together a new OS that will supersede Vista in a few years.
>
>
> True, but regardless of what the current version of Windows is, and
> regardless of what year it is, that's *always* true. Whatever the
> current version of Windows is, Microsoft is always working on the next
> version and it's likely to be released within the next few years. If
> that keeps you from buying the current version, you can never buy the
> current version of anything, whether it's Windows, a car, or anything
> else.

I haven't. I'm still drivin' a 1988 Nissan, and quite happy with that,
thank you very much. :-)
 
Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:48:22 -0600, "Bill in Co."
<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

> > True, but regardless of what the current version of Windows is, and
> > regardless of what year it is, that's *always* true. Whatever the
> > current version of Windows is, Microsoft is always working on the next
> > version and it's likely to be released within the next few years. If
> > that keeps you from buying the current version, you can never buy the
> > current version of anything, whether it's Windows, a car, or anything
> > else.
>
> I haven't. I'm still drivin' a 1988 Nissan, and quite happy with that,
> thank you very much. :-)


You're welcome. Is the reason you haven't bought a current version
that Nissan is always working on a newer model? ;-)

I'm driving a car several years old too. The reason *I* don't buy a
newer model is simply to save the money that doing so entails.


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:48:22 -0600, "Bill in Co."
> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>
>>> True, but regardless of what the current version of Windows is, and
>>> regardless of what year it is, that's *always* true. Whatever the
>>> current version of Windows is, Microsoft is always working on the next
>>> version and it's likely to be released within the next few years. If
>>> that keeps you from buying the current version, you can never buy the
>>> current version of anything, whether it's Windows, a car, or anything
>>> else.
>>
>> I haven't. I'm still drivin' a 1988 Nissan, and quite happy with that,
>> thank you very much. :-)
>
>
> You're welcome. Is the reason you haven't bought a current version
> that Nissan is always working on a newer model? ;-)
>
> I'm driving a car several years old too. The reason *I* don't buy a
> newer model is simply to save the money that doing so entails.

Same here, plus I have no need of it. And I'm still on dial-up, too.
Old school values; I grew up in the Depression Era (well ok, not quite,
but.... :-)
 
Re: Vista vs XP Machine Purchase


"Watty" <notvalid@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:k95Hk.4068$Ws1.2409@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
> I'm told that some mfgers will sell quad core PCs with Vista, but provide
> a way to replace it with XP (Pro, I hope). If so, which mfgers provide
> machines that are able to get back to XP?
>
> In general, I've heard that most (maybe) new PCs with Vista probably
> cannot be reset to XP--possible hardware-driver conflicts. Further, MS is
> putting together a new OS that will supersede Vista in a few years.
> Comments?

The Dell Inspiron 530 series (of which a Core 2 Quad is available) were
available until very recently with Windows XP Pro as an option. It
therefore follows that drivers should be available.

And indeed the Dell website lists them at:

http://support.euro.dell.com/suppor...NSP_DSKTP_D530&hidos=WLH&hidlang=en&TabIndex=
 
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