Windows Vista Vista still sucks

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OK, I tried Vista when it first came out, then promptly went back to
XP because none of my business access methods worked. Now that SP1 is
out, I gave it another shot. Clean install on a new HP.

Still a frigging joke. My desktop icons randomly change to something
other than what they should be. If I select View | Classic Icons the
icons are correct, but anything other than that displays something it
got from somewhere in hell. The colors/contrasts are so bad I can't
tell which cell I have selected in Excel 2007. Add the sidebar and a
3mb RAM PC is crawling through everything you need to do. Click and
wait, Click and wait. Applications that used to work fine in XP no
longer work and may not even install, although some install and still
don't work properly. Shouldn't this be a critical issue?? No this a
Microsoft OS and we don't care about anything you were doing in the
past, even though it might have been a Microsoft application. The
goal seems to change the UI and let everyone try and find out where
the hell you change that property.

On a side note, I was so disgusted with Vista I bought a 24" iMac, and
I love it. This is how an OS should behave. I turned this new PC on
and within 15 minutes it found my network, wireless printer and never
asked one question. It just worked.......
 
Re: Vista still sucks

And I'm sure all your Windows-based apps work just fine on an iMac.
My $369 HP Pavilion desktop runs Vista perfectly with no glitches.
How much did you fork-over for the iMac?
 
Re: Vista still sucks

Robert wrote:

> Add the sidebar and a
> 3mb RAM PC is crawling through everything you need to do. Click and
> wait, Click and wait.

It's not happening on my machine, but I have a laptop that certified to
work with Vista. It has the power. It running IIS, MS SQL Server 2005
and a whole host of other applications running in the background, and
there is no click and wait no click and wait.


> Applications that used to work fine in XP no
> longer work and may not even install, although some install and still
> don't work properly.

Well, that should be expected when one brings non Vista compliant
software from XP and installs it on Vista, and the software developer
doesn't or won't gear/tool it to work on Vista.

http://www.developer.com/net/net/article.php/3695651

> Shouldn't this be a critical issue??

Not when MS has been after the software developers to come into line and
they wouldn't do it. Now MS has drawn the line in the sand with Vista
and software developers.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=785

>> No this a
> Microsoft OS and we don't care about anything you were doing in the
> past, even though it might have been a Microsoft application.

MS applications many MS application, ones you have run in the past, that
have been geared/tooled to run on Vista. However, it may cost some $$$$
to get the new solutions.

Also there are other Vista compliant solutions out there too.

http://www.bestvistadownloads.com/


> The
> goal seems to change the UI and let everyone try and find out where
> the hell you change that property.

It's not that hard to figure out if one has the savvy.

>
> On a side note, I was so disgusted with Vista I bought a 24" iMac, and
> I love it. This is how an OS should behave. I turned this new PC on
> and within 15 minutes it found my network, wireless printer and never
> asked one question. It just worked.......

But can it run those MS solutions and others from 3rd party vendors?
Isn't MAC a closed platform?
 
Re: Vista still sucks

"Robert" wrote in message news:ivoqe456gtc8kk82ph3s8hcgn0qf1be2lc@4ax.com...
> OK, I tried Vista when it first came out, then promptly went back to
> XP because none of my business access methods worked. Now that SP1 is
> out, I gave it another shot. Clean install on a new HP.
>
> Still a frigging joke. My desktop icons randomly change to something
> other than what they should be. If I select View | Classic Icons the
> icons are correct, but anything other than that displays something it
> got from somewhere in hell. The colors/contrasts are so bad I can't
> tell which cell I have selected in Excel 2007. Add the sidebar and a
> 3mb RAM PC is crawling through everything you need to do. Click and
> wait, Click and wait. Applications that used to work fine in XP no
> longer work and may not even install, although some install and still
> don't work properly. Shouldn't this be a critical issue?? No this a
> Microsoft OS and we don't care about anything you were doing in the
> past, even though it might have been a Microsoft application. The
> goal seems to change the UI and let everyone try and find out where
> the hell you change that property.
>
> On a side note, I was so disgusted with Vista I bought a 24" iMac, and
> I love it. This is how an OS should behave. I turned this new PC on
> and within 15 minutes it found my network, wireless printer and never
> asked one question. It just worked.......


My Vista PC did what your Mac did. It just worked. You may well have bought
a rogue machine..


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<Robert> wrote in message news:ivoqe456gtc8kk82ph3s8hcgn0qf1be2lc@4ax.com...
> Add the sidebar and a
> 3mb RAM PC is crawling through everything you need to do.

I found your problem. Might want to try GB next time. I bet Mac ain't gonna
work with 3MB either.
 
Re: Vista still sucks


"Robert" wrote in message news:ivoqe456gtc8kk82ph3s8hcgn0qf1be2lc@4ax.com...
> OK, I tried Vista when it first came out, then promptly went back to
> XP because none of my business access methods worked. Now that SP1 is
> out, I gave it another shot. Clean install on a new HP.
>
> Still a frigging joke. My desktop icons randomly change to something
> other than what they should be. If I select View | Classic Icons the
> icons are correct, but anything other than that displays something it
> got from somewhere in hell. The colors/contrasts are so bad I can't
> tell which cell I have selected in Excel 2007. Add the sidebar and a
> 3mb RAM PC is crawling through everything you need to do. Click and
> wait, Click and wait. Applications that used to work fine in XP no
> longer work and may not even install, although some install and still
> don't work properly. Shouldn't this be a critical issue?? No this a
> Microsoft OS and we don't care about anything you were doing in the
> past, even though it might have been a Microsoft application. The
> goal seems to change the UI and let everyone try and find out where
> the hell you change that property.
>
> On a side note, I was so disgusted with Vista I bought a 24" iMac, and
> I love it. This is how an OS should behave. I turned this new PC on
> and within 15 minutes it found my network, wireless printer and never
> asked one question. It just worked.......

Why are you saying "you"? This is a user group, not MS.
And my newer HP runs just fine with Vista, because I bought it preinstalled.
Nothing slow about it.
Lesley
 
Re: Vista still sucks

you are correct about vista, don't let these naysayers tell you otherwise.

vista should work great on all kinds of computers, its windows. if we needed
very specific configurations then its just like a mac.

thousands if not millions absolutely hate vista and regret ever getting it

it's a fact





"Robert" wrote in message news:ivoqe456gtc8kk82ph3s8hcgn0qf1be2lc@4ax.com...
> OK, I tried Vista when it first came out, then promptly went back to
> XP because none of my business access methods worked. Now that SP1 is
> out, I gave it another shot. Clean install on a new HP.
>
> Still a frigging joke. My desktop icons randomly change to something
> other than what they should be. If I select View | Classic Icons the
> icons are correct, but anything other than that displays something it
> got from somewhere in hell. The colors/contrasts are so bad I can't
> tell which cell I have selected in Excel 2007. Add the sidebar and a
> 3mb RAM PC is crawling through everything you need to do. Click and
> wait, Click and wait. Applications that used to work fine in XP no
> longer work and may not even install, although some install and still
> don't work properly. Shouldn't this be a critical issue?? No this a
> Microsoft OS and we don't care about anything you were doing in the
> past, even though it might have been a Microsoft application. The
> goal seems to change the UI and let everyone try and find out where
> the hell you change that property.
>
> On a side note, I was so disgusted with Vista I bought a 24" iMac, and
> I love it. This is how an OS should behave. I turned this new PC on
> and within 15 minutes it found my network, wireless printer and never
> asked one question. It just worked.......
 
Re: Vista still sucks

What you say is a bunch of crap.

Ill make 3 points.

1) Windows only won the OS war because it could be installed on computers
that had an open architecture, meaning that many people could design
hardware and sell it. If everyone needed a "vista certified" machine then
it would be like getting a mac.

2) I don't like your logic about the software. There are no great reasons
why MS had to break compatibility with drivers and software from
XP to Vista. They are both NT kernel OS's... Just imagine what would happen
if they was to repeat this from Vista to Windows 7?
But they wont do that.. they got enough flame from everyone about the stupid
decisions they made while making vista.

>It's not that hard to figure out if one has the savvy.

3) Lots of changes on vista are for changes sake alone. Most are very badly
designed and worse than they were on XP.

Hey chum, with the recession you got on your backs, I don't see many running
to get new "vista compliant" computers...

Windows must be a product of our times. Vista was like the SUV (car), a
bloated, cpu and ram intensive, badly designed OS.



"Paul MontDenturesDropped" <Paul@MontDenturesDropped.com> wrote in message
news:#RmTMCcKJHA.920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Robert wrote:
>
>> Add the sidebar and a
>> 3mb RAM PC is crawling through everything you need to do. Click and
>> wait, Click and wait.
>
> It's not happening on my machine, but I have a laptop that certified to
> work with Vista. It has the power. It running IIS, MS SQL Server 2005 and
> a whole host of other applications running in the background, and there is
> no click and wait no click and wait.
>
>
>> Applications that used to work fine in XP no
>> longer work and may not even install, although some install and still
>> don't work properly.
>
> Well, that should be expected when one brings non Vista compliant software
> from XP and installs it on Vista, and the software developer doesn't or
> won't gear/tool it to work on Vista.
>
> http://www.developer.com/net/net/article.php/3695651
>
>> Shouldn't this be a critical issue??
>
> Not when MS has been after the software developers to come into line and
> they wouldn't do it. Now MS has drawn the line in the sand with Vista and
> software developers.
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=785
>
>>> No this a
>> Microsoft OS and we don't care about anything you were doing in the
>> past, even though it might have been a Microsoft application.
>
> MS applications many MS application, ones you have run in the past, that
> have been geared/tooled to run on Vista. However, it may cost some $$$$ to
> get the new solutions.
>
> Also there are other Vista compliant solutions out there too.
>
> http://www.bestvistadownloads.com/
>
>
>> The
>> goal seems to change the UI and let everyone try and find out where
>> the hell you change that property.
>
> It's not that hard to figure out if one has the savvy.
>
>>
>> On a side note, I was so disgusted with Vista I bought a 24" iMac, and
>> I love it. This is how an OS should behave. I turned this new PC on
>> and within 15 minutes it found my network, wireless printer and never
>> asked one question. It just worked.......
>
> But can it run those MS solutions and others from 3rd party vendors? Isn't
> MAC a closed platform?
 
Re: Vista still sucks

Hi, many people think they can run VISTA on their old Computer on which they
still operated in DOS.....not so ! Get a newer more powerful system and
Vista runs like
a charm.....


"Non Sequitur!" <only@rret.com> wrote in message
news:48edca82$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> you are correct about vista, don't let these naysayers tell you
> otherwise.
>
> vista should work great on all kinds of computers, its windows. if we
> needed very specific configurations then its just like a mac.
>
> thousands if not millions absolutely hate vista and regret ever getting it
>
> it's a fact
>
>
>
>
>
> "Robert" wrote in message
> news:ivoqe456gtc8kk82ph3s8hcgn0qf1be2lc@4ax.com...
>> OK, I tried Vista when it first came out, then promptly went back to
>> XP because none of my business access methods worked. Now that SP1 is
>> out, I gave it another shot. Clean install on a new HP.
>>
>> Still a frigging joke. My desktop icons randomly change to something
>> other than what they should be. If I select View | Classic Icons the
>> icons are correct, but anything other than that displays something it
>> got from somewhere in hell. The colors/contrasts are so bad I can't
>> tell which cell I have selected in Excel 2007. Add the sidebar and a
>> 3mb RAM PC is crawling through everything you need to do. Click and
>> wait, Click and wait. Applications that used to work fine in XP no
>> longer work and may not even install, although some install and still
>> don't work properly. Shouldn't this be a critical issue?? No this a
>> Microsoft OS and we don't care about anything you were doing in the
>> past, even though it might have been a Microsoft application. The
>> goal seems to change the UI and let everyone try and find out where
>> the hell you change that property.
>>
>> On a side note, I was so disgusted with Vista I bought a 24" iMac, and
>> I love it. This is how an OS should behave. I turned this new PC on
>> and within 15 minutes it found my network, wireless printer and never
>> asked one question. It just worked.......
>
 
Re: Vista still sucks



"Non Sequitur!" <only@rret.com> wrote in message
news:48edca82$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> you are correct about vista, don't let these naysayers tell you
> otherwise.
>
> vista should work great on all kinds of computers, its windows. if we
> needed very specific configurations then its just like a mac.


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>
> thousands if not millions absolutely hate vista and regret ever getting it
>
> it's a fact
>

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience
 
RE: Vista still sucks

The last resort for frustrated users who don't know how to integrate with an
OS is to blame the OS.
--
oscar :)

....Right click is your very good friend...


"Robert" wrote:

> OK, I tried Vista when it first came out, then promptly went back to
> XP because none of my business access methods worked. Now that SP1 is
> out, I gave it another shot. Clean install on a new HP.
>
> Still a frigging joke. My desktop icons randomly change to something
> other than what they should be. If I select View | Classic Icons the
> icons are correct, but anything other than that displays something it
> got from somewhere in hell. The colors/contrasts are so bad I can't
> tell which cell I have selected in Excel 2007. Add the sidebar and a
> 3mb RAM PC is crawling through everything you need to do. Click and
> wait, Click and wait. Applications that used to work fine in XP no
> longer work and may not even install, although some install and still
> don't work properly. Shouldn't this be a critical issue?? No this a
> Microsoft OS and we don't care about anything you were doing in the
> past, even though it might have been a Microsoft application. The
> goal seems to change the UI and let everyone try and find out where
> the hell you change that property.
>
> On a side note, I was so disgusted with Vista I bought a 24" iMac, and
> I love it. This is how an OS should behave. I turned this new PC on
> and within 15 minutes it found my network, wireless printer and never
> asked one question. It just worked.......
>
 
Re: Vista still sucks

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:38:27 -0700, oscar
<oscar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>The last resort for frustrated users who don't know how to integrate with an
>OS is to blame the OS.

The first thing MS fanboys always do is exclude Vista from being part
of the problem then blame the end user.
 
Re: Vista still sucks


"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
news:1tise4p0i8hna97nov6s48vg8irf4ce901@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:38:27 -0700, oscar
> <oscar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>The last resort for frustrated users who don't know how to integrate with
>>an
>>OS is to blame the OS.
>
> The first thing MS fanboys always do is exclude Vista from being part
> of the problem then blame the end user.

The first thing that Ringmaster does is insult the poster. You can verify
this by searching on Ringmaster and Adam Albright in Google and you will see
more than 97,000+ insulting posts with the majority of them going to
Ringmaster's dream boy, Rush Limbaugh and his fantasy girl, Dr. Laura.
 
Re: Vista still sucks

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:39:20 -0700, "Bill M. Yanaire"
<bill@yanaire.uk.net> wrote:

>
>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>news:1tise4p0i8hna97nov6s48vg8irf4ce901@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:38:27 -0700, oscar
>> <oscar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The last resort for frustrated users who don't know how to integrate with
>>>an
>>>OS is to blame the OS.
>>
>> The first thing MS fanboys always do is exclude Vista from being part
>> of the problem then blame the end user.
>
>The first thing that Ringmaster does is insult the poster. You can verify
>this by searching on Ringmaster and Adam Albright in Google and you will see
>more than 97,000+ insulting posts with the majority of them going to
>Ringmaster's dream boy, Rush Limbaugh and his fantasy girl, Dr. Laura.

Damn, you really are jealous I'm so good at kicking ass. Just bend
over if you want more.
 
Re: Vista still sucks


"Yanaire's Ass Kicker" <1234@noplace.com> wrote in message
news:4ovse4t6ck80kog5h4gsnhliikedp61dr5@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:39:20 -0700, "Bill M. Yanaire"
> <bill@yanaire.uk.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>>news:1tise4p0i8hna97nov6s48vg8irf4ce901@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:38:27 -0700, oscar
>>> <oscar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The last resort for frustrated users who don't know how to integrate
>>>>with
>>>>an
>>>>OS is to blame the OS.
>>>
>>> The first thing MS fanboys always do is exclude Vista from being part
>>> of the problem then blame the end user.
>>
>>The first thing that Ringmaster does is insult the poster. You can verify
>>this by searching on Ringmaster and Adam Albright in Google and you will
>>see
>>more than 97,000+ insulting posts with the majority of them going to
>>Ringmaster's dream boy, Rush Limbaugh and his fantasy girl, Dr. Laura.
>
> Damn, you really are jealous I'm so good at kicking ass. Just bend
> over if you want more.
>

Adam - I am bending over. Come and get it you STUD! LOL..... ROTFLMAO!
 
Re: Vista still sucks


> Why are you saying "you"? This is a user group, not MS.
> And my newer HP runs just fine with Vista, because I bought it
> preinstalled. Nothing slow about it.
> Lesley

Your HP works does not means all HP works.
Many in this group including me has already complained that HP has problem
in vista.
Im using latest HP model which claimed to be vista compliant but still tend
to have software error.
Now i totally cant run the scanner control software.
 
Re: Vista still sucks


"_CragTheCode" <cragniceh@yahoo1.com> wrote in message
news:uLYfk$pKJHA.4908@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>> Why are you saying "you"? This is a user group, not MS.
>> And my newer HP runs just fine with Vista, because I bought it
>> preinstalled. Nothing slow about it.
>> Lesley
>
> Your HP works does not means all HP works.
> Many in this group including me has already complained that HP has problem
> in vista.
> Im using latest HP model which claimed to be vista compliant but still
> tend to have software error.
> Now i totally cant run the scanner control software.
>
Probably a driver needs updating.
Lesley
 
Re: Vista still sucks


"LesleyO " <lesleyo@DELETETHIStelusplanet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "_CragTheCode" <cragniceh@yahoo1.com> wrote in message
> news:uLYfk$pKJHA.4908@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Why are you saying "you"? This is a user group, not MS.
>>> And my newer HP runs just fine with Vista, because I bought it
>>> preinstalled. Nothing slow about it.
>>> Lesley
>>
>> Your HP works does not means all HP works.
>> Many in this group including me has already complained that HP has
>> problem in vista.
>> Im using latest HP model which claimed to be vista compliant but still
>> tend to have software error.
>> Now i totally cant run the scanner control software.
>>
> Probably a driver needs updating.
> Lesley

Life updated.
 
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"Piet" <pietfo@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
news:A5130D82-03FC-4003-9070-E817180BB026@microsoft.com...
> Hi, many people think they can run VISTA on their old Computer on which
> they still operated in DOS.....not so ! Get a newer more powerful system
> and Vista runs like
> a charm.....
>
>

Many people? or just a few?
We are talking about software incompatibility and support of pheripheral.
What to do which the machine??

Wake up Vista savvy!
 
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