Windows Vista about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.

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In the latest post on Microsoft's "Engineering Windows 7? blog, Microsoft
officials acknowledge what everyone's been assuming: Microsoft is going to
fine-tune the User Account Control (UAC) feature with Windows 7.

UAC, which debuted with Windows Vista, provides users with standard user
rights, as opposed to uber administrative rights, by default. Microsoft
argued that this change would help save users from themselves, so that they
wouldn't accidentally modify system settings, disable antivirus software,
etc. When UAC is turned on, users receive many, poorly explained
notifications when the system believes they are engaging in "risky"
behavior.

With Windows 7, Microsoft is not going to do away with UAC, according to the
October 8 post by Ben Fathi, president for core OS development (and others
on his team) on the E7 blog. But it is going to "address the customer
feedback and satisfaction issues witht the (UAC) prompts themselves," Fathi
blogged. He said with Windows 7 Microsoft has two overriding goals when it
comes to UAC. From his post:

"We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated. You find the
prompts too frequent, annoying, and confusing. We still want to provide you
control over what changes can happen to your system, but we want to provide
you a better overall experience. We believe this can be achieved by focusing
on two key principles. 1) Broaden the control you have over the UAC
notifications. We will continue to give you control over the changes made to
your system, but in Windows 7, we will also provide options such that when
you use the system as an administrator you can determine the range of
notifications that you receive. 2) Provide additional and more relevant
information in the user interface. We will improve the dialog UI so that you
can better understand and make more informed choices."

With Windows 7, Microsoft is endeavoring to reduce unneeded and duplicate
prompts; to make prompts more informative; and to provide "better and more
obvious control over the (UAC) mechanism," Fathi's blog post said.

Fathi said he's confident the revamped UAC system will be less hated than
the original UAC lockdowns introduced with Windows Vista in the name of
better security. More from his post:

"We've already run new design concepts based on this principle through
our in-house usability testing and we've seen very positive results. 83% of
participants could provide specific details about why they were seeing the
dialog. Participants preferred the new concepts because they are 'simple,'
'highlight verified publishers,"provide the file origin,' and 'ask a
meaningful question.'"

UAC seems to be one of the most hated features of Vista. (Just do a Web
search for "how can I disable UAC" for unofficial proof of that contention.)
From what Microsoft has shared so far, do you think the proposed UAC changes
for Windows 7 go far enough to undo the damage to Vista's reputation done
by UAC to date?
 
Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.


I'm not bothered by UAC at all. I have downloaded and installed the
free Program TweakUAC, which allows me to use "quiet mode" when I am
logged on as Administrator, which means almost all the UAC prompts are
bypassed, yet UAC is still operating so that my system is MUCH less
likely than XP to get compromised by viruses, trojans, spyware and other
malware. Read about it here:

'What is TweakUAC?' (http://www.tweak-uac.com/what-is-tweak-uac/)

Some quotations from that page:

Switch UAC to the quiet mode
This option does not turn off UAC; instead, it only makes UAC to
operate in the quiet mode. In the quiet mode, UAC does not display the
elevation prompts for the administrators. That is, when you attempt to
do an administrative task, you will be allowed to proceed automatically,
without prompting you to confirm the operation. All other features of
UAC would still be enabled: the programs will run with the standard user
permissions by default, and the standard users will still see the
elevation prompts (the quiet mode applies to the administrator accounts
only).

Note that if you turn UAC off or switch it to operate in the quiet
mode, Vista starts displaying a warning message in its taskbar. You can
turn that message off, though: double-click on the shield icon in the
taskbar to open Windows Security Center. Then click on the Change the
way Security Center alerts me link, in the left panel. Finally, choose
one of the Don’t notify me options.


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RE: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.

Thank you for the informative note. As a home user of computers, with two
Vista laptops, I personally found UAC pop-ups confusing and annoying. hey may
be usefully to stop absolute beginnerss from making silly mistakes, but on
the whole they just get in the way and slow down usage. The rest of Vista,
from my standpoint, is simply a lot of tweaks and beautifications. It is
smoother than XP once you get used to finding things all over again.

"the granter of sina" wrote:

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1627
>
> In the latest post on Microsoft's "Engineering Windows 7? blog, Microsoft
> officials acknowledge what everyone's been assuming: Microsoft is going to
> fine-tune the User Account Control (UAC) feature with Windows 7.
>
> UAC, which debuted with Windows Vista, provides users with standard user
> rights, as opposed to uber administrative rights, by default. Microsoft
> argued that this change would help save users from themselves, so that they
> wouldn't accidentally modify system settings, disable antivirus software,
> etc. When UAC is turned on, users receive many, poorly explained
> notifications when the system believes they are engaging in "risky"
> behavior.
>
> With Windows 7, Microsoft is not going to do away with UAC, according to the
> October 8 post by Ben Fathi, president for core OS development (and others
> on his team) on the E7 blog. But it is going to "address the customer
> feedback and satisfaction issues witht the (UAC) prompts themselves," Fathi
> blogged. He said with Windows 7 Microsoft has two overriding goals when it
> comes to UAC. From his post:
>
> "We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated. You find the
> prompts too frequent, annoying, and confusing. We still want to provide you
> control over what changes can happen to your system, but we want to provide
> you a better overall experience. We believe this can be achieved by focusing
> on two key principles. 1) Broaden the control you have over the UAC
> notifications. We will continue to give you control over the changes made to
> your system, but in Windows 7, we will also provide options such that when
> you use the system as an administrator you can determine the range of
> notifications that you receive. 2) Provide additional and more relevant
> information in the user interface. We will improve the dialog UI so that you
> can better understand and make more informed choices."
>
> With Windows 7, Microsoft is endeavoring to reduce unneeded and duplicate
> prompts; to make prompts more informative; and to provide "better and more
> obvious control over the (UAC) mechanism," Fathi's blog post said.
>
> Fathi said he's confident the revamped UAC system will be less hated than
> the original UAC lockdowns introduced with Windows Vista in the name of
> better security. More from his post:
>
> "We've already run new design concepts based on this principle through
> our in-house usability testing and we've seen very positive results. 83% of
> participants could provide specific details about why they were seeing the
> dialog. Participants preferred the new concepts because they are 'simple,'
> 'highlight verified publishers,"provide the file origin,' and 'ask a
> meaningful question.'"
>
> UAC seems to be one of the most hated features of Vista. (Just do a Web
> search for "how can I disable UAC" for unofficial proof of that contention.)
> From what Microsoft has shared so far, do you think the proposed UAC changes
> for Windows 7 go far enough to undo the damage to Vista's reputation done
> by UAC to date?
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:51:28 +0300, "the granter of sina"
<granter@yan.sina> wrote:

>http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1627
>
>In the latest post on Microsoft's "Engineering Windows 7? blog, Microsoft
>officials acknowledge what everyone's been assuming: Microsoft is going to
>fine-tune the User Account Control (UAC) feature with Windows 7.


Just like I and many others predicted almost a year ago.

Microsoft from the start knew UAC was a piece of crap and that it
pissed-off the vast majority of users, even many MVP faithful. Only
Rubes like fanboys liked it. Which proves again what total idiots they
are.
 
Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:13:09 -0700, "Bill M. Yanaire"
<bill@yanaire.uk.net> wrote:


>The only thing you rub is your tiny little dick. The only thing that you
>PROVE is that you are a right wing wacko animal porn peddler. Remember when
>you posted those animal porn links? You are one sick ****. Now you video
>people taking a leak in the public restrooms? You sure have a sick head.
>Better get that checked.


Yanaire, you are out of your mind, desperate, and so you do what you
always do. Lie your stupid **** encrusted ass off.

Animal porn peddler? You really flipped. I posted a link to a ZOO
picture of a monkey. Was he related to you by any chance?

The sick ****'s in the newsgroup is YOU and Frank and your constant
depraved references to sex with sheep and male anal intercourse.

The FACTS nail your dumb ass every time, you stupid little retard.
 
Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:51:28 +0300, "the granter of sina"
<granter@yan.sina> wrote:

> We will improve the dialog UI so that you
>can better understand and make more informed choices."


Yeah, they'll probably "improve" them the same way Vista "improves"
the tried and true prompts when copying files from one directory to
another and finding duplicates. They'll take it from "clear and
concise" to "totally obfuscated and annoying"
 
Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.

"+Bob+" <uctraing@ultranet.com> wrote in message
news:ibate4lq8ghoe5h0fp8eol2l060bfhbuuu@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:51:28 +0300, "the granter of sina"
> <granter@yan.sina> wrote:
>
>> We will improve the dialog UI so that you
>>can better understand and make more informed choices."

>
> Yeah, they'll probably "improve" them the same way Vista "improves"
> the tried and true prompts when copying files from one directory to
> another and finding duplicates. They'll take it from "clear and
> concise" to "totally obfuscated and annoying"
>



Traffic signals must throw you thru a loop.
What a putz2

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Ens causa sui
Fit caedes omnibus locis
 
Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.

can you state your opinion about the improvement of the new copy - move
dialogues in vista compared to the older ones?

"D. Eth" <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote in message news:gcmb02$5up$1@aioe.org...
> "+Bob+" <uctraing@ultranet.com> wrote in message
> news:ibate4lq8ghoe5h0fp8eol2l060bfhbuuu@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:51:28 +0300, "the granter of sina"
>> <granter@yan.sina> wrote:
>>
>>> We will improve the dialog UI so that you
>>>can better understand and make more informed choices."

>>
>> Yeah, they'll probably "improve" them the same way Vista "improves"
>> the tried and true prompts when copying files from one directory to
>> another and finding duplicates. They'll take it from "clear and
>> concise" to "totally obfuscated and annoying"
>>

>
>
> Traffic signals must throw you thru a loop.
> What a putz2
>
> --
> Ens causa sui
> Fit caedes omnibus locis
 
Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.

"the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
news:48eeba64$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> can you state your opinion about the improvement of the new copy - move
> dialogues in vista compared to the older ones?
>


That it is pretty clear and easy to understand.
What part of the duplicate file replace dialogue box do you not understand ?


> "D. Eth" <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote in message
> news:gcmb02$5up$1@aioe.org...
>> "+Bob+" <uctraing@ultranet.com> wrote in message
>> news:ibate4lq8ghoe5h0fp8eol2l060bfhbuuu@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:51:28 +0300, "the granter of sina"
>>> <granter@yan.sina> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We will improve the dialog UI so that you
>>>>can better understand and make more informed choices."
>>>
>>> Yeah, they'll probably "improve" them the same way Vista "improves"
>>> the tried and true prompts when copying files from one directory to
>>> another and finding duplicates. They'll take it from "clear and
>>> concise" to "totally obfuscated and annoying"
>>>

>>
>>
>> Traffic signals must throw you thru a loop.
>> What a putz2
>>
>> --
>> Ens causa sui
>> Fit caedes omnibus locis

>
>




--
Ens causa sui
Fit caedes omnibus locis
 
Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.

the granter of sina wrote:

>> Vista is more truthful as it shows approximately when the process is
>> completed.

>
>
> This has never created any problems in Xp ever. However its funny to see
> that the much slower copy and move speed of vista has produced
> results as big as hundreds of years to copy files for users all around
> the world. I have posted screenshots.. or shall I say screenshits of vista
> accurately calculating the time needed for example 23478 days.. lol Do
> you want me to find screenshots franky poo? Cant handle the facts huh?
>


I guess you missed the point all together. Nothing unusual for a baboon
brained idiot moron loser like you.
You're stating a problem a relatively few users experienced (I did
briefly with one of betas) that has been solved with updates and I'm
telling you the real difference in what XP vs Vista is telling us.
Now I'm sure you didn't know that.
Figures...baboon brain!...LOL!
 
Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.

> You're stating a problem a relatively few users experienced

No frank.. the problem was in all RTM releases... with SP1 its MUCH better,
but
vista is still slower than XP in these functions.

But I see you skipped my other point (about the gui telling us which file
its moving - copying)

I found a blindspot? Hehehe...

anyway, frank you are so much better when you discuss things, even when
throwing in an insult or 2 Its ok, its part of the game,
but you are actually talking... and not making funny monkey sounds.

its an improvement, bravo! May you reach homo sapien levels soon! :-)



"Frank" <frank@nopam.org> wrote in message news:gcmqfb$u39$1@aioe.org...
> the granter of sina wrote:
>
>>> Vista is more truthful as it shows approximately when the process is
>>> completed.

>>
>>
>> This has never created any problems in Xp ever. However its funny to see
>> that the much slower copy and move speed of vista has produced
>> results as big as hundreds of years to copy files for users all around
>> the world. I have posted screenshots.. or shall I say screenshits of
>> vista
>> accurately calculating the time needed for example 23478 days.. lol Do
>> you want me to find screenshots franky poo? Cant handle the facts huh?
>>

>
> I guess you missed the point all together. Nothing unusual for a baboon
> brained idiot moron loser like you.
> You're stating a problem a relatively few users experienced (I did briefly
> with one of betas) that has been solved with updates and I'm telling you
> the real difference in what XP vs Vista is telling us.
> Now I'm sure you didn't know that.
> Figures...baboon brain!...LOL!
 
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