Defragment drive C:

[Frank Janicke]

my HD is partitioned in drive C: for programs and D: for my files.
C is now full and when I defragment I get a list of about 20 files that
cannot be defragmented. They are all large files with 114MB. File names are:
\WINDOWS\Installer\e0128c.msp or ...\44c009.msp etc
File extensions are all .msp
When I try to locate them for deletion, they do not show up.
Any idea what and where they are and how I can get rid of them to make more
space on C: ?
Thanks for any tips

 

[R. McCarty]

Re: Defragment drive C:

They are not visible with Explorer due to the "Default View". Windows
hides System and Protected files.

These installer modules are important as they are needed for updates
and install/uninstall operations. On my own system the folder size is
1.7 Gigabytes.

To reduce the size of your C: volume you need to work with other
folders/files and not the \Installer path.

"Frank Janicke" <Frank Janicke@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2EA66D58-8C80-4BAF-A96B-9AA4B3C4E8CD@microsoft.com...
> my HD is partitioned in drive C: for programs and D: for my files.
> C is now full and when I defragment I get a list of about 20 files that
> cannot be defragmented. They are all large files with 114MB. File names
> are:
> \WINDOWS\Installer\e0128c.msp or ...\44c009.msp etc
> File extensions are all .msp
> When I try to locate them for deletion, they do not show up.
> Any idea what and where they are and how I can get rid of them to make
> more
> space on C: ?
> Thanks for any tips
>

 

[Patrick Keenan]

Re: Defragment drive C:


"Frank Janicke" <Frank Janicke@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2EA66D58-8C80-4BAF-A96B-9AA4B3C4E8CD@microsoft.com...
> my HD is partitioned in drive C: for programs and D: for my files.
> C is now full and when I defragment I get a list of about 20 files that
> cannot be defragmented. They are all large files with 114MB. File names
> are:
> \WINDOWS\Installer\e0128c.msp or ...\44c009.msp etc
> File extensions are all .msp
> When I try to locate them for deletion, they do not show up.
> Any idea what and where they are and how I can get rid of them to make
> more
> space on C: ?
> Thanks for any tips


If your drive is full enough that 114 meg makes a difference, you need a
larger drive. And, you've run into one of the problems with your
partitioning scheme, where there can often be lots of room on the other side
of the fence...

I realize that some feel that this helps with backup, but most modern backup
utilities make it easy to identify and back up your data. As for backing
up the system partition, if you aren't using a utility that can create an
image (and XP Home's ntbackup can't), there's just about no point in backing
that up. In XP Pro, you could use ASR with ntbackup but this does require
a floppy and can only write to hard disk or tape. Optical disks are not
supported.

For reference, where I am, 500-gig hard disks are in the $80 range.

HTH
-pk

 

[Frank Janicke]

Re: Defragment drive C:

Thanks R. McCarty,
I thought something like you explained might be the problem. I have already
cleaned up and deleted everything else I could but still I have only 11% free
space and the system apparently cannot defragment these hidden files. OK,
maybe this does not affect the performance.
Would you know a way to increase the size of the partition C: (because D:
has still plenty of additional space).
Thanks Frank




"R. McCarty" wrote:

> They are not visible with Explorer due to the "Default View". Windows
> hides System and Protected files.
>
> These installer modules are important as they are needed for updates
> and install/uninstall operations. On my own system the folder size is
> 1.7 Gigabytes.
>
> To reduce the size of your C: volume you need to work with other
> folders/files and not the \Installer path.
>
> "Frank Janicke" <Frank Janicke@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2EA66D58-8C80-4BAF-A96B-9AA4B3C4E8CD@microsoft.com...
> > my HD is partitioned in drive C: for programs and D: for my files.
> > C is now full and when I defragment I get a list of about 20 files that
> > cannot be defragmented. They are all large files with 114MB. File names
> > are:
> > \WINDOWS\Installer\e0128c.msp or ...\44c009.msp etc
> > File extensions are all .msp
> > When I try to locate them for deletion, they do not show up.
> > Any idea what and where they are and how I can get rid of them to make
> > more
> > space on C: ?
> > Thanks for any tips
> >
>
>
>

 

[Frank Janicke]

Re: Defragment drive C:

Thanks Patrik,
its not just 1x117MB but 20x117MB that are filling up my drive.
The other side (D has indeed still plenty of space. Would you know a way
to increase the size of the partition C:?
Thanks Frank



"Patrick Keenan" wrote:

>
> "Frank Janicke" <Frank Janicke@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2EA66D58-8C80-4BAF-A96B-9AA4B3C4E8CD@microsoft.com...
> > my HD is partitioned in drive C: for programs and D: for my files.
> > C is now full and when I defragment I get a list of about 20 files that
> > cannot be defragmented. They are all large files with 114MB. File names
> > are:
> > \WINDOWS\Installer\e0128c.msp or ...\44c009.msp etc
> > File extensions are all .msp
> > When I try to locate them for deletion, they do not show up.
> > Any idea what and where they are and how I can get rid of them to make
> > more
> > space on C: ?
> > Thanks for any tips
>
>
> If your drive is full enough that 114 meg makes a difference, you need a
> larger drive. And, you've run into one of the problems with your
> partitioning scheme, where there can often be lots of room on the other side
> of the fence...
>
> I realize that some feel that this helps with backup, but most modern backup
> utilities make it easy to identify and back up your data. As for backing
> up the system partition, if you aren't using a utility that can create an
> image (and XP Home's ntbackup can't), there's just about no point in backing
> that up. In XP Pro, you could use ASR with ntbackup but this does require
> a floppy and can only write to hard disk or tape. Optical disks are not
> supported.
>
> For reference, where I am, 500-gig hard disks are in the $80 range.
>
> HTH
> -pk
>
>

 

[AJR]

Re: Defragment drive C:

Frank - you may be treading on dangerous ground. There are system files
that cannot - repeat cannot - be moved (they are not fragmented). Also
never delete - repeat never - any files for wich you have no knowledge as
to their function.

The size of a partition can be reduced (shrink) or extended - usually via
Disk Management or a third party utility. Do some reading and research to
be able to accurately follow procedures.




"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
news:Or1rQe8KJHA.2760@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> "Frank Janicke" <Frank Janicke@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2EA66D58-8C80-4BAF-A96B-9AA4B3C4E8CD@microsoft.com...
>> my HD is partitioned in drive C: for programs and D: for my files.
>> C is now full and when I defragment I get a list of about 20 files that
>> cannot be defragmented. They are all large files with 114MB. File names
>> are:
>> \WINDOWS\Installer\e0128c.msp or ...\44c009.msp etc
>> File extensions are all .msp
>> When I try to locate them for deletion, they do not show up.
>> Any idea what and where they are and how I can get rid of them to make
>> more
>> space on C: ?
>> Thanks for any tips
>
>
> If your drive is full enough that 114 meg makes a difference, you need a
> larger drive. And, you've run into one of the problems with your
> partitioning scheme, where there can often be lots of room on the other
> side of the fence...
>
> I realize that some feel that this helps with backup, but most modern
> backup utilities make it easy to identify and back up your data. As
> for backing up the system partition, if you aren't using a utility that
> can create an image (and XP Home's ntbackup can't), there's just about no
> point in backing that up. In XP Pro, you could use ASR with ntbackup but
> this does require a floppy and can only write to hard disk or tape.
> Optical disks are not supported.
>
> For reference, where I am, 500-gig hard disks are in the $80 range.
>
> HTH
> -pk

 

[Lem]

Re: Defragment drive C:

Frank Janicke wrote:
Would you know a way
> to increase the size of the partition C:?
> Thanks Frank
>

Although you can't do this with native Windows XP utilities, it's
possible with commercial programs, including:

Acronis Disk Director
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/

Partition Magic
http://www.symantec.com/norton/partitionmagic

BootIt NG
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/index.htm

Although these utilities are *supposed* to be able to repartition a
drive without losing data, you would be well-advised to backup your
files (e.g., with a disk imaging application) prior to repartitioning.


--
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[Ray Parrish]

Re: Defragment drive C:

You could use the totally ree open surce application GParted. You can
download a bootable GParted Live CD which will allow you to
non-destructively re-size your C drive up into the D drives space.

The cd uses the Linux operating system but GParted knows and handles
Windows files systems no problem.

Here is a download link. You will need to burn the .iso file to CD
correctly or it won't boot. -

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843&package_id=271779

here is their home page -

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/

Later, Ray Parrish

Frank Janicke wrote:
> Thanks Patrik,
> its not just 1x117MB but 20x117MB that are filling up my drive.
> The other side (D has indeed still plenty of space. Would you know a way
> to increase the size of the partition C:?
> Thanks Frank
>
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