MSN blocks Trillian

[Pdigmking]

Microsoft is now blocking Trillian instant messaging. This is rediculous.
I have two reason for using Trillian instead of MS mesenger. First,
messenger does all kinds of crap in the background and wants to run itself
all the time, and it has this pop up window that has nothing to do with my
IM session. In other words, I dumped MS messnger for the same reason I
dumped AOL years ago, it became abuntantly clear to me that the service was
about prividing access to me rather than for me. Second I don't like to
have several IM programs running at once, having one program- Trillian is
simpler and safer. MS is just being a pissant here, there's no reason to
block this service, and don't worry about my security, if anyone is relying
on MS for security, I'm sorry but your probably already toast. Let me
worry about my security, don't make it harder for me to use my computer.

Paul.

 

[VanguardLH]

Re: MSN blocks Trillian

Pdigmking wrote:

> Microsoft is now blocking Trillian instant messaging. This is rediculous.
> I have two reason for using Trillian instead of MS mesenger. First,
> messenger does all kinds of crap in the background and wants to run itself
> all the time, and it has this pop up window that has nothing to do with my
> IM session. In other words, I dumped MS messnger for the same reason I
> dumped AOL years ago, it became abuntantly clear to me that the service was
> about prividing access to me rather than for me. Second I don't like to
> have several IM programs running at once, having one program- Trillian is
> simpler and safer. MS is just being a pissant here, there's no reason to
> block this service, and don't worry about my security, if anyone is relying
> on MS for security, I'm sorry but your probably already toast. Let me
> worry about my security, don't make it harder for me to use my computer.
>
> Paul.

So did you actually have a question or did you just come here to rant
about Trillian's inability to keep up with protocol changes at a free
service that they don't provide?

Go whine to Trillian. Then wait until whenever they get around to
supporting the changes to the WLMessenger service. No service has to do
anything regarding some 3rd party that wants to utilize their service.
Microsoft is under no obligation to make their protocol conform to the
old one coded into Trillian, nor does Microsoft need to care about the
screenscraping WebMail add-on to Thunderbird, nor does Microsoft need to
concern themself with any non-Microsoft product accessing Microsoft
services. If you want Trillian fixed then go complain to Trillian.

 

[Pdigmking]

Re: MSN blocks Trillian

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in
news:OGdV8WTLJHA.4708@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:


>
> So did you actually have a question or did you just come here to rant
> about Trillian's inability to keep up with protocol changes at a free
> service that they don't provide?
>
> Go whine to Trillian. Then wait until whenever they get around to
> supporting the changes to the WLMessenger service. No service has to
> do anything regarding some 3rd party that wants to utilize their
> service. Microsoft is under no obligation to make their protocol
> conform to the old one coded into Trillian, nor does Microsoft need to
> care about the screenscraping WebMail add-on to Thunderbird, nor does
> Microsoft need to concern themself with any non-Microsoft product
> accessing Microsoft services. If you want Trillian fixed then go
> complain to Trillian.
>

This isn't a Trillian issue, it's an MS issue. Trillian didn't change
anything, MS made the change. MS went out of thier way to block the
service. This is stupid, if MS thinks their going to force people to
use instant messenger their whacked. Trillian can't fix this. Is this
rant? Duh.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Re: MSN blocks Trillian

Firewalls and proxies can be a problem for the MSN part of Trillian.
The real MSN client can tunnel out through port 80 if the primary port
is not available. At the moment Trillian can't do that so you have to have
a straight shot through port 1863. If that port is blocked Trillian will not connect.

Ref: http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=90231

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience

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"Pdigmking" <paugle@gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9B365110BF58Dpaugle@127.0.0.1...
Microsoft is now blocking Trillian instant messaging. This is rediculous.
I have two reason for using Trillian instead of MS mesenger. First,
messenger does all kinds of crap in the background and wants to run itself
all the time, and it has this pop up window that has nothing to do with my
IM session. In other words, I dumped MS messnger for the same reason I
dumped AOL years ago, it became abuntantly clear to me that the service was
about prividing access to me rather than for me. Second I don't like to
have several IM programs running at once, having one program- Trillian is
simpler and safer. MS is just being a pissant here, there's no reason to
block this service, and don't worry about my security, if anyone is relying
on MS for security, I'm sorry but your probably already toast. Let me
worry about my security, don't make it harder for me to use my computer.

Paul.

 

[AlmostBob]

Re: MSN blocks Trillian

Trillian reverse engineer MS software to connect to MS servers,
to the billion legal users who didnt rant, its just an upgrade.
MS own the hardware, servers, software, protocol, and the bandwidth used to
run them, Reread the agreement you made when you obtained your messenger
account.

PostScript

> This is stupid, if MS thinks their (IBID they're) going to force people to
> use instant messenger (IBID they're) whacked. Trillian can't fix this
If Trillian can't pirate the new protocols, then its a pretty good job of
making MSN messenger servers access through MSN messenger.

> Is this rant
sure is.

Please consider the standard: brains, dynamite, cant blow hat off, comments
made,
otherwise enjoy the Holiday, if it is one for you too

 

[Kelly]

Re: MSN blocks Trillian

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"Pdigmking" <paugle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B365110BF58Dpaugle@127.0.0.1...
> Microsoft is now blocking Trillian instant messaging. This is rediculous.
> I have two reason for using Trillian instead of MS mesenger. First,
> messenger does all kinds of crap in the background and wants to run itself
> all the time, and it has this pop up window that has nothing to do with my
> IM session. In other words, I dumped MS messnger for the same reason I
> dumped AOL years ago, it became abuntantly clear to me that the service
> was
> about prividing access to me rather than for me. Second I don't like to
> have several IM programs running at once, having one program- Trillian is
> simpler and safer. MS is just being a pissant here, there's no reason to
> block this service, and don't worry about my security, if anyone is
> relying
> on MS for security, I'm sorry but your probably already toast. Let me
> worry about my security, don't make it harder for me to use my computer.
>
> Paul.

 

[RobertVA]

Re: MSN blocks Trillian

Pdigmking wrote:
> Microsoft is now blocking Trillian instant messaging. This is rediculous.
> I have two reason for using Trillian instead of MS mesenger. First,
> messenger does all kinds of crap in the background and wants to run itself
> all the time, and it has this pop up window that has nothing to do with my
> IM session. In other words, I dumped MS messnger for the same reason I
> dumped AOL years ago, it became abuntantly clear to me that the service was
> about prividing access to me rather than for me. Second I don't like to
> have several IM programs running at once, having one program- Trillian is
> simpler and safer. MS is just being a pissant here, there's no reason to
> block this service, and don't worry about my security, if anyone is relying
> on MS for security, I'm sorry but your probably already toast. Let me
> worry about my security, don't make it harder for me to use my computer.
>
> Paul.

So you think Microsoft spends money to maintain and operate their
Instant Messenger server(s) out of the goodness of their heart? They buy
equipment to run the service on, buy electricity to operate it and pay
technicians to administrate it. The point actually IS providing
advertisers access to your attention through the advertisement pane. In
some cases the ads promote other Microsoft/MSN services where they
expect to generate revenue. Since other IMs don't contribute to that ad
revenue stream, Microsoft has valid business reasons to block them for
that reason alone.

 

[MowGreen [MVP]]

Re: MSN blocks Trillian

Just updated Trillian to v.3.1 and it connects with MSN.
Give it a shot. <w>

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
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Pdigmking wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in
> news:OGdV8WTLJHA.4708@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
>
>
>>So did you actually have a question or did you just come here to rant
>>about Trillian's inability to keep up with protocol changes at a free
>>service that they don't provide?
>>
>>Go whine to Trillian. Then wait until whenever they get around to
>>supporting the changes to the WLMessenger service. No service has to
>>do anything regarding some 3rd party that wants to utilize their
>>service. Microsoft is under no obligation to make their protocol
>>conform to the old one coded into Trillian, nor does Microsoft need to
>>care about the screenscraping WebMail add-on to Thunderbird, nor does
>>Microsoft need to concern themself with any non-Microsoft product
>>accessing Microsoft services. If you want Trillian fixed then go
>>complain to Trillian.
>>
>
>
> This isn't a Trillian issue, it's an MS issue. Trillian didn't change
> anything, MS made the change. MS went out of thier way to block the
> service. This is stupid, if MS thinks their going to force people to
> use instant messenger their whacked. Trillian can't fix this. Is this
> rant? Duh.
>