I can't get data from my old HDD

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My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD, certain
files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
non-encrypted files though - help!!!
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

"Familydavis" <Familydavis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD,
> certain
> files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
> everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
> 'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
> non-encrypted files though - help!!!


The encryption wouldn't do much good if you could get the data, would it?

When you encrypted the original files, did you make an emergency recovery
disk with your key? If the encryption is any good, without that key, you
will never get your files back.
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

You have to take ownership of those files

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"Familydavis" <Familydavis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D2D45495-C3A8-4426-A80E-4ADDAB3DAAAC@microsoft.com...
> My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD, certain
> files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
> everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
> 'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
> non-encrypted files though - help!!!
 
RE: I can't get data from my old HDD

I cannot take ownership of the files, Vista says that access is denied. I've
tried opening the files in the hope that I could save as something else but
access is denied.

"Familydavis" wrote:

> My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD, certain
> files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
> everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
> 'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
> non-encrypted files though - help!!!
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

Familydavis wrote:
> I cannot take ownership of the files, Vista says that access is denied. I've
> tried opening the files in the hope that I could save as something else but
> access is denied.
>
> "Familydavis" wrote:
>
>> My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD, certain
>> files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
>> everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
>> 'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
>> non-encrypted files though - help!!!

Check the permissions of the file or folder the file is saved in and
take ownership:

1. Right-click the file or folder, and then click Properties.
2. Click the Security tab.
3. Under Group or user names, click your name to see the permissions you
have.

To open a file, you need to have read permission. For more information
on permissions, see What are permissions?

http://tinyurl.com/2j9vgr

To take ownership of a folder:

1. Right-click the folder that you want to take ownership of, and then
click Properties.
2. Click the Security tab, click Advanced, and then click the Owner tab.
3. Click Edit. Administrator permission required If you are prompted for
an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide
confirmation.
4. Click the name of the person you want to give ownership to.
5. If you want that person to be the owner of files and subfolders in
this folder, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects check
box.
6. Click OK


Malke
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Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

Thanks for the advice, tried it all but no luck! Have now lost Video's of my
kids, all of my music and all of My Documents.
I even tried plugging my HDD into another machine and tried to boot that but
it wouldn't even go into safe mode.

"Malke" wrote:

> Familydavis wrote:
> > I cannot take ownership of the files, Vista says that access is denied. I've
> > tried opening the files in the hope that I could save as something else but
> > access is denied.
> >
> > "Familydavis" wrote:
> >
> >> My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD, certain
> >> files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
> >> everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
> >> 'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
> >> non-encrypted files though - help!!!
>
> Check the permissions of the file or folder the file is saved in and
> take ownership:
>
> 1. Right-click the file or folder, and then click Properties.
> 2. Click the Security tab.
> 3. Under Group or user names, click your name to see the permissions you
> have.
>
> To open a file, you need to have read permission. For more information
> on permissions, see What are permissions?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2j9vgr
>
> To take ownership of a folder:
>
> 1. Right-click the folder that you want to take ownership of, and then
> click Properties.
> 2. Click the Security tab, click Advanced, and then click the Owner tab.
> 3. Click Edit. Administrator permission required If you are prompted for
> an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide
> confirmation.
> 4. Click the name of the person you want to give ownership to.
> 5. If you want that person to be the owner of files and subfolders in
> this folder, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects check
> box.
> 6. Click OK
>
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

Familydavis, give us some more information to work with. It
appears that if you want to be able to recover those files
you will have to get your old PC running.

You said it "blew up". Exactly what happened with it? Also,
what OS was in use on your old PC? What program or method
was used for the encryption? In regards to the hard drive
containing these files, was it the same drive as your
operating system or was it a separate drive?

Hobo



Familydavis wrote:

> Thanks for the advice, tried it all but no luck! Have now lost Video's of my
> kids, all of my music and all of My Documents.
> I even tried plugging my HDD into another machine and tried to boot that but
> it wouldn't even go into safe mode.
>
> "Malke" wrote:
>
>
>>Familydavis wrote:
>>
>>>I cannot take ownership of the files, Vista says that access is denied. I've
>>>tried opening the files in the hope that I could save as something else but
>>>access is denied.
>>>
>>>"Familydavis" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD, certain
>>>>files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
>>>>everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
>>>>'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
>>>>non-encrypted files though - help!!!
>>
>>Check the permissions of the file or folder the file is saved in and
>>take ownership:
>>
>>1. Right-click the file or folder, and then click Properties.
>>2. Click the Security tab.
>>3. Under Group or user names, click your name to see the permissions you
>>have.
>>
>>To open a file, you need to have read permission. For more information
>>on permissions, see What are permissions?
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/2j9vgr
>>
>>To take ownership of a folder:
>>
>>1. Right-click the folder that you want to take ownership of, and then
>>click Properties.
>>2. Click the Security tab, click Advanced, and then click the Owner tab.
>>3. Click Edit. Administrator permission required If you are prompted for
>>an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide
>>confirmation.
>>4. Click the name of the person you want to give ownership to.
>>5. If you want that person to be the owner of files and subfolders in
>>this folder, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects check
>>box.
>>6. Click OK
>>
>>
>>Malke
>>--
>>Elephant Boy Computers
>>www.elephantboycomputers.com
>>"Don't Panic!"
>>MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

What you need to do in that case is to plug your trouble Hard Drive as a Slave into another computer. Plugging it in as a slave in addition to the installed Hard Drive , you should be able to get to your files.

--
Peter

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"Familydavis" <Familydavis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B126FB71-B27B-4E8B-AD0D-49EC03788EA9@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for the advice, tried it all but no luck! Have now lost Video's of my
> kids, all of my music and all of My Documents.
> I even tried plugging my HDD into another machine and tried to boot that but
> it wouldn't even go into safe mode.
>
> "Malke" wrote:
>
>> Familydavis wrote:
>> > I cannot take ownership of the files, Vista says that access is denied. I've
>> > tried opening the files in the hope that I could save as something else but
>> > access is denied.
>> >
>> > "Familydavis" wrote:
>> >
>> >> My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD, certain
>> >> files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
>> >> everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
>> >> 'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
>> >> non-encrypted files though - help!!!
>>
>> Check the permissions of the file or folder the file is saved in and
>> take ownership:
>>
>> 1. Right-click the file or folder, and then click Properties.
>> 2. Click the Security tab.
>> 3. Under Group or user names, click your name to see the permissions you
>> have.
>>
>> To open a file, you need to have read permission. For more information
>> on permissions, see What are permissions?
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2j9vgr
>>
>> To take ownership of a folder:
>>
>> 1. Right-click the folder that you want to take ownership of, and then
>> click Properties.
>> 2. Click the Security tab, click Advanced, and then click the Owner tab.
>> 3. Click Edit. Administrator permission required If you are prompted for
>> an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide
>> confirmation.
>> 4. Click the name of the person you want to give ownership to.
>> 5. If you want that person to be the owner of files and subfolders in
>> this folder, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects check
>> box.
>> 6. Click OK
>>
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:17:46 -0400, Peter Foldes wrote:

> What you need to do in that case is to plug your trouble Hard Drive as a Slave into another computer. Plugging it in as a slave in addition to the installed Hard Drive , you should be able to get to your files.

I think you've missed the point from the original post that the OP is
referring to encrypted files. If these files were encrypted with EFS and
the original encryption keys are lost with no archive or backup of the keys
and no data recovery agent then the files are gone. None of the advice in
this thread about taking ownership or moving the drive to another system
are going to be of any help at all.
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

No I did not miss that. All I told the OP is that to get those files to show on his HD after he messed up with
putting that HD into another computer as the main is to install it as a slave so he can access those encrypted files again on his HD.
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"Paul Adare" <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1w9c5cmhbj5nz.1ks9t6fud6n4e.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:17:46 -0400, Peter Foldes wrote:
>
>> What you need to do in that case is to plug your trouble Hard Drive as a Slave into another computer. Plugging it in as a slave in addition to the installed Hard Drive , you should be able to get to your files.
>
> I think you've missed the point from the original post that the OP is
> referring to encrypted files. If these files were encrypted with EFS and
> the original encryption keys are lost with no archive or backup of the keys
> and no data recovery agent then the files are gone. None of the advice in
> this thread about taking ownership or moving the drive to another system
> are going to be of any help at all.
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:23:32 -0400, Peter Foldes wrote:

> No I did not miss that. All I told the OP is that to get those files to show on his HD after he messed up with
> putting that HD into another computer as the main is to install it as a slave so he can access those encrypted files again on his HD.

Then you apparently don't know much about EFS. As I said, if as the OP
states, those files are really encrypted and the encryption certificates
and keys are gone, you're suggestion will have absolutely no impact on his
inablilty to access those files. Those files are gone, period.
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD


"Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You have to take ownership of those files


As Seth pointed out, even if you take ownership, you still cannot decrypt
the files without either the original certificate or a valid recovery agent.

If the original poster hasn't backed up his/her certificates or doesn't have
a valid recovery agent, the only possible way to recover the files is to
somehow use the original operating system partition on the disk from the old
machine to boot Windows and then do what is needed to be able to access the
files on the new machine.

Being able to access the files on the new system isn't helpful if the files
remain encrypted.

-Pete
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

I am kind of having the same problem but I want to take ownership of the
DRIVE that was in my old system that was running XP and now i have it on my
Vista box. I can not even get a doc file to open after i give myself the
ownership it says denied. So i am thinking ,,,can I take ownership of the
whole drive and how.
Thanks so much

"Malke" wrote:

> Familydavis wrote:
> > I cannot take ownership of the files, Vista says that access is denied. I've
> > tried opening the files in the hope that I could save as something else but
> > access is denied.
> >
> > "Familydavis" wrote:
> >
> >> My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD, certain
> >> files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
> >> everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
> >> 'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
> >> non-encrypted files though - help!!!
>
> Check the permissions of the file or folder the file is saved in and
> take ownership:
>
> 1. Right-click the file or folder, and then click Properties.
> 2. Click the Security tab.
> 3. Under Group or user names, click your name to see the permissions you
> have.
>
> To open a file, you need to have read permission. For more information
> on permissions, see What are permissions?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2j9vgr
>
> To take ownership of a folder:
>
> 1. Right-click the folder that you want to take ownership of, and then
> click Properties.
> 2. Click the Security tab, click Advanced, and then click the Owner tab.
> 3. Click Edit. Administrator permission required If you are prompted for
> an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide
> confirmation.
> 4. Click the name of the person you want to give ownership to.
> 5. If you want that person to be the owner of files and subfolders in
> this folder, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects check
> box.
> 6. Click OK
>
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

Right click on the root of the drive in Computer, select Properties, then
Security tab, and give your user account full control.

--
I Bleed Blue and Gold
GO BEARS!


"zaint" <zaint@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:94AC7068-0E6B-4C95-A02A-6D1E8DD96CA9@microsoft.com...
>I am kind of having the same problem but I want to take ownership of the
> DRIVE that was in my old system that was running XP and now i have it on my
> Vista box. I can not even get a doc file to open after i give myself the
> ownership it says denied. So i am thinking ,,,can I take ownership of the
> whole drive and how.
> Thanks so much
>
> "Malke" wrote:
>
>> Familydavis wrote:
>> > I cannot take ownership of the files, Vista says that access is denied.
>> > I've
>> > tried opening the files in the hope that I could save as something else but
>> > access is denied.
>> >
>> > "Familydavis" wrote:
>> >
>> >> My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD,
>> >> certain
>> >> files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
>> >> everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
>> >> 'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
>> >> non-encrypted files though - help!!!
>>
>> Check the permissions of the file or folder the file is saved in and
>> take ownership:
>>
>> 1. Right-click the file or folder, and then click Properties.
>> 2. Click the Security tab.
>> 3. Under Group or user names, click your name to see the permissions you
>> have.
>>
>> To open a file, you need to have read permission. For more information
>> on permissions, see What are permissions?
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2j9vgr
>>
>> To take ownership of a folder:
>>
>> 1. Right-click the folder that you want to take ownership of, and then
>> click Properties.
>> 2. Click the Security tab, click Advanced, and then click the Owner tab.
>> 3. Click Edit. Administrator permission required If you are prompted for
>> an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide
>> confirmation.
>> 4. Click the name of the person you want to give ownership to.
>> 5. If you want that person to be the owner of files and subfolders in
>> this folder, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects check
>> box.
>> 6. Click OK
>>
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

Tried that and I still can only get to some files and others i can not.

"Cal Bear '66" wrote:

> Right click on the root of the drive in Computer, select Properties, then
> Security tab, and give your user account full control.
>
> --
> I Bleed Blue and Gold
> GO BEARS!
>
>
> "zaint" <zaint@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:94AC7068-0E6B-4C95-A02A-6D1E8DD96CA9@microsoft.com...
> >I am kind of having the same problem but I want to take ownership of the
> > DRIVE that was in my old system that was running XP and now i have it on my
> > Vista box. I can not even get a doc file to open after i give myself the
> > ownership it says denied. So i am thinking ,,,can I take ownership of the
> > whole drive and how.
> > Thanks so much
> >
> > "Malke" wrote:
> >
> >> Familydavis wrote:
> >> > I cannot take ownership of the files, Vista says that access is denied.
> >> > I've
> >> > tried opening the files in the hope that I could save as something else but
> >> > access is denied.
> >> >
> >> > "Familydavis" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD,
> >> >> certain
> >> >> files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have tried
> >> >> everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me as the
> >> >> 'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
> >> >> non-encrypted files though - help!!!
> >>
> >> Check the permissions of the file or folder the file is saved in and
> >> take ownership:
> >>
> >> 1. Right-click the file or folder, and then click Properties.
> >> 2. Click the Security tab.
> >> 3. Under Group or user names, click your name to see the permissions you
> >> have.
> >>
> >> To open a file, you need to have read permission. For more information
> >> on permissions, see What are permissions?
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/2j9vgr
> >>
> >> To take ownership of a folder:
> >>
> >> 1. Right-click the folder that you want to take ownership of, and then
> >> click Properties.
> >> 2. Click the Security tab, click Advanced, and then click the Owner tab.
> >> 3. Click Edit. Administrator permission required If you are prompted for
> >> an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide
> >> confirmation.
> >> 4. Click the name of the person you want to give ownership to.
> >> 5. If you want that person to be the owner of files and subfolders in
> >> this folder, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects check
> >> box.
> >> 6. Click OK
> >>
> >>
> >> Malke
> >> --
> >> Elephant Boy Computers
> >> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> >> "Don't Panic!"
> >> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >>
>
>
 
Re: I can't get data from my old HDD

See if this doesn't help:
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jes...t-let-me-write-to-my-external-hard-drive.aspx

--
Your question may already be answered in Windows Vista Security:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470101555?ie=UTF8&tag=protectyourwi-20


"zaint" <zaint@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B19EAB60-B7CE-40B0-80E1-B12FC7C992FB@microsoft.com...
> Tried that and I still can only get to some files and others i can not.
>
> "Cal Bear '66" wrote:
>
>> Right click on the root of the drive in Computer, select Properties, then
>> Security tab, and give your user account full control.
>>
>> --
>> I Bleed Blue and Gold
>> GO BEARS!
>>
>>
>> "zaint" <zaint@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:94AC7068-0E6B-4C95-A02A-6D1E8DD96CA9@microsoft.com...
>> >I am kind of having the same problem but I want to take ownership of the
>> > DRIVE that was in my old system that was running XP and now i have it
>> > on my
>> > Vista box. I can not even get a doc file to open after i give myself
>> > the
>> > ownership it says denied. So i am thinking ,,,can I take ownership of
>> > the
>> > whole drive and how.
>> > Thanks so much
>> >
>> > "Malke" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Familydavis wrote:
>> >> > I cannot take ownership of the files, Vista says that access is
>> >> > denied.
>> >> > I've
>> >> > tried opening the files in the hope that I could save as something
>> >> > else but
>> >> > access is denied.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Familydavis" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> My PC blew up, I now have a new PC with Vista installed. On my HDD,
>> >> >> certain
>> >> >> files are encrypted and I can't move them onto my new PC - I have
>> >> >> tried
>> >> >> everything that I can think of but the new PC does not recognise me
>> >> >> as the
>> >> >> 'owner' of the folders so will not let me move them! I can move all
>> >> >> non-encrypted files though - help!!!
>> >>
>> >> Check the permissions of the file or folder the file is saved in and
>> >> take ownership:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Right-click the file or folder, and then click Properties.
>> >> 2. Click the Security tab.
>> >> 3. Under Group or user names, click your name to see the permissions
>> >> you
>> >> have.
>> >>
>> >> To open a file, you need to have read permission. For more information
>> >> on permissions, see What are permissions?
>> >>
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/2j9vgr
>> >>
>> >> To take ownership of a folder:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Right-click the folder that you want to take ownership of, and then
>> >> click Properties.
>> >> 2. Click the Security tab, click Advanced, and then click the Owner
>> >> tab.
>> >> 3. Click Edit. Administrator permission required If you are prompted
>> >> for
>> >> an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or
>> >> provide
>> >> confirmation.
>> >> 4. Click the name of the person you want to give ownership to.
>> >> 5. If you want that person to be the owner of files and subfolders in
>> >> this folder, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects
>> >> check
>> >> box.
>> >> 6. Click OK
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Malke
>> >> --
>> >> Elephant Boy Computers
>> >> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> >> "Don't Panic!"
>> >> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> >>
>>
>>
 
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