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Re: problem with ATI Radeon 9800 Pro - please help
Buffalo wrote:
> Adam wrote:
>> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1ridnaSs_fk2kFPbnZ2dnUVZ_o2vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Adam wrote:
>>>>>>> My current setup is as follows ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)] with VIA 4in1 driver v4.43
>>>>>>> AMD Athlon XP 1600+
>>>>>>> AGP Slot: Video - 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
>>>>>>> PCI Slot 1: -----
>>>>>>> PCI Slot 2: NIC - 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
>>>>>>> PCI Slot 3: Sound - Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
>>>>>>> PCI Slot 4: USB Card
>>>>>>> PCI Slot 5: -----
>>>>>>> Operating System: Windows 98 Second Edition
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem started creeping up last night ...
>>>>>>> - bad pixels appear randomly on the screen
>>>>>>> - the system freezes when I move the mouse
>>>>>>> - something was mildly burning / overheating
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I powered off the system overnight. Turned it back on this
>>>>>>> morning. It worked briefly. Then, the problem started up again.
>>>>>>> On one reboot, I got the following message ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You have not connected the power extension cable to
>>>>>>> your Radeon 9800 video card
>>>>>>> Please refer to the "Getting Started Guide" for
>>>>>>> proper hardware installation !!!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After removing the video card, cleaning and reinserting,
>>>>>>> the message (above) went away. But, I noticed that
>>>>>>> the fan on the video card was not spinning. So,
>>>>>>> my guess is that the video card is overheating.
>>>>>>> Hopefully, this can be fixed somehow. Any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I now get the following "warning" message ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The ATI Control Panel failed to initialize because
>>>>>>> no ATI driver is installed, or ATI driver is not working
>>>>>>> properly. The ATI Control Panel will now exit."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, the only display setting that works is 640 x 480
>>>>>>> It will not take any other resolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at :
>>>>>>
>
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/VGA_silencer_install/VGA_silencer_instal
>>>>>> l.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the link. Just what I need to
>>>>> clarify my understanding about these VGA coolers.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After removing the fan and heatsink, what's the best way to
>>>> remove the residual thermal compound from the GPU?
>>>> Is there a good website with pictures and instructions?
>>>> That stuff is all over the GPU (as expected) and beyond.
>>>>
>>>> In the following link ...
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/VGA_silencer_install/VGA_silencer_install2.h
>>>> tml#storytop
>>>> what are those dots around the GPU
>>>
>>> Rubbing alcohol seems to work fine.
>>> Just the raised portion of the GPU is what you need to clean.
>>> Don't scrape over those 'white dots' or you will be minus a video
>>> card. They are electronic components such as resistors,etc.
>>> When you apply the new paste, just a little dab will do it. It
>>> basically just fills in the tiny voids that can trap air.
>>> The more polished the mating surfaces are, the less heatsink paste
>>> is required.
>>> If they were perfectly polished, no paste would be required. Air is
>>> an insulator.
>>> If it is too thick, it will act as an insulator and slow down the
>>> heat transfer.
>>> Google the proper way to apply it.
>>>
>>
>> Arctic Cooling Accelero S2 comes with
>> a thermal pad pre-attached to the heatsink.
>> All I have to do is clean the GPU surface and
>> attach the VGA cooler, right? No need to mess with
>> other thermal paste, right?
>>
>> See Arctic Cooling Accelero S2 here ...
>> http://www.burnoutpc.com/modules/smartsection/print.php?itemid=264
>
> The pad will work just fine. Although paste, such as Artic Silver
> might work a 'little' better, I think you should just use the
> supplied pad and see how it works. If more cooling is required, then
> you can go ahead and remove the pad and its residue later and apply
> the fairly expensive Artic Silver. Heat sink paste tests usually list
> Artic Silver among the best, but the difference in performance
> between the cheap Radio Shack paste and the expensive Artic Silver
> paste isn't much. Artic Silver may last longer, though.
PS: Don't forget to remove the protective tape from the pad before
installing the heatsink.
Buffalo wrote:
> Adam wrote:
>> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:xqKdnTcLQqXWNUnbnZ2dnUVZ_sytnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
>>> news:zD0Bi.30856$RX.12257@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ARuzi.47475$Um6.30359@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1ridnaSs_fk2kFPbnZ2dnUVZ_o2vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Adam wrote:
>>>>>>> My current setup is as follows ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)] with VIA 4in1 driver v4.43
>>>>>>> AMD Athlon XP 1600+
>>>>>>> AGP Slot: Video - 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
>>>>>>> PCI Slot 1: -----
>>>>>>> PCI Slot 2: NIC - 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
>>>>>>> PCI Slot 3: Sound - Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
>>>>>>> PCI Slot 4: USB Card
>>>>>>> PCI Slot 5: -----
>>>>>>> Operating System: Windows 98 Second Edition
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem started creeping up last night ...
>>>>>>> - bad pixels appear randomly on the screen
>>>>>>> - the system freezes when I move the mouse
>>>>>>> - something was mildly burning / overheating
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I powered off the system overnight. Turned it back on this
>>>>>>> morning. It worked briefly. Then, the problem started up again.
>>>>>>> On one reboot, I got the following message ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You have not connected the power extension cable to
>>>>>>> your Radeon 9800 video card
>>>>>>> Please refer to the "Getting Started Guide" for
>>>>>>> proper hardware installation !!!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After removing the video card, cleaning and reinserting,
>>>>>>> the message (above) went away. But, I noticed that
>>>>>>> the fan on the video card was not spinning. So,
>>>>>>> my guess is that the video card is overheating.
>>>>>>> Hopefully, this can be fixed somehow. Any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I now get the following "warning" message ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The ATI Control Panel failed to initialize because
>>>>>>> no ATI driver is installed, or ATI driver is not working
>>>>>>> properly. The ATI Control Panel will now exit."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, the only display setting that works is 640 x 480
>>>>>>> It will not take any other resolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at :
>>>>>>
>
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/VGA_silencer_install/VGA_silencer_instal
>>>>>> l.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the link. Just what I need to
>>>>> clarify my understanding about these VGA coolers.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After removing the fan and heatsink, what's the best way to
>>>> remove the residual thermal compound from the GPU?
>>>> Is there a good website with pictures and instructions?
>>>> That stuff is all over the GPU (as expected) and beyond.
>>>>
>>>> In the following link ...
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/VGA_silencer_install/VGA_silencer_install2.h
>>>> tml#storytop
>>>> what are those dots around the GPU
>>>
>>> Rubbing alcohol seems to work fine.
>>> Just the raised portion of the GPU is what you need to clean.
>>> Don't scrape over those 'white dots' or you will be minus a video
>>> card. They are electronic components such as resistors,etc.
>>> When you apply the new paste, just a little dab will do it. It
>>> basically just fills in the tiny voids that can trap air.
>>> The more polished the mating surfaces are, the less heatsink paste
>>> is required.
>>> If they were perfectly polished, no paste would be required. Air is
>>> an insulator.
>>> If it is too thick, it will act as an insulator and slow down the
>>> heat transfer.
>>> Google the proper way to apply it.
>>>
>>
>> Arctic Cooling Accelero S2 comes with
>> a thermal pad pre-attached to the heatsink.
>> All I have to do is clean the GPU surface and
>> attach the VGA cooler, right? No need to mess with
>> other thermal paste, right?
>>
>> See Arctic Cooling Accelero S2 here ...
>> http://www.burnoutpc.com/modules/smartsection/print.php?itemid=264
>
> The pad will work just fine. Although paste, such as Artic Silver
> might work a 'little' better, I think you should just use the
> supplied pad and see how it works. If more cooling is required, then
> you can go ahead and remove the pad and its residue later and apply
> the fairly expensive Artic Silver. Heat sink paste tests usually list
> Artic Silver among the best, but the difference in performance
> between the cheap Radio Shack paste and the expensive Artic Silver
> paste isn't much. Artic Silver may last longer, though.
PS: Don't forget to remove the protective tape from the pad before
installing the heatsink.
