Dead MB?

[Stan]

98 SE; system purchased in '99'

Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not all
of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom and
proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes. It
just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key; startup
floppy never starts.

Any thoughts?
Thanks

 

[Stan]

Re: Dead MB?

I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary master.
Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM, reseated PCI
card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem card, pulled
the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system battery from MB
for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps (Pheonix) it booted
to Windows.

I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting after
each.

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
>
> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not
> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom
> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes.
> It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;
> startup floppy never starts.
>
> Any thoughts?
> Thanks
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Dead MB?

Good plan.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary master.
>Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM, reseated
>PCI card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem card,
>pulled the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system battery
>from MB for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps (Pheonix)
>it booted to Windows.
>
> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting
> after each.
>
> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
>>
>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not
>> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom
>> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it
>> goes. It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;
>> startup floppy never starts.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Lil' Dave]

Re: Dead MB?

Bad plan.
See no reason to reinstall anything unless you change card locations n the
motherboard. Then, again, windows might adjust to that without reinstalling
anything.

Would investigate the 2 problems hinted as bios summary message about floppy
and the 2 beeps hinted as bios boot associated. Then, worry about windows
if its really problem. Messing with windows now might incorporate stuff
from the bios that's problematic.
Dave
"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary master.
>Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM, reseated
>PCI card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem card,
>pulled the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system battery
>from MB for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps (Pheonix)
>it booted to Windows.
>
> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting
> after each.
>
> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
>>
>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not
>> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom
>> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it
>> goes. It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;
>> startup floppy never starts.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Stan]

Re: Dead MB?

If I have the CD/DVD-ROM power cable disconnected and the cable running from
the CD/DVD-ROM to the sound card disconnected, everything works except, of
course, the CD/DVD-ROM. If I have both or either of those cables connected
Windows never starts.

I have an old CD-ROM laying around someplace; I'll try that next.(Tomorrow)
Must it also have a cable to the soundcard?


"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary master.
>Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM, reseated
>PCI card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem card,
>pulled the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system battery
>from MB for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps (Pheonix)
>it booted to Windows.
>
> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting
> after each.
>
> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
>>
>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not
>> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom
>> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it
>> goes. It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;
>> startup floppy never starts.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>

 

[glee]

Re: Dead MB?

Try replacing the flat data (ribbon) cable from the mobo to the CD drive (the one
you have disconnected right now). The cable may be bad. I suspect that it is the
CD drive itself, though.

The wire to the sound card, if it is a small wire, is to enable sound from the CD
drive through the sound card....so you can listen to audio CDs directly, through the
computer using a media player. It should unplug from the CD drive so it can be
plugged into a replacement drive.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
news:eWXu4ypwHHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> If I have the CD/DVD-ROM power cable disconnected and the cable running from the
> CD/DVD-ROM to the sound card disconnected, everything works except, of course, the
> CD/DVD-ROM. If I have both or either of those cables connected Windows never
> starts.
>
> I have an old CD-ROM laying around someplace; I'll try that next.(Tomorrow) Must
> it also have a cable to the soundcard?
>
>
> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary master.
>>Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM, reseated PCI card,
>>reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem card, pulled the power
>>cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system battery from MB for 5 mins.With
>>an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps (Pheonix) it booted to Windows.
>>
>> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting after
>> each.
>>
>> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
>>>
>>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not all of
>>> it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom and proper
>>> amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes. It just stays on
>>> that screen. Does not respond to system setup key; startup floppy never starts.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Dead MB?

Windows isn't involved here. The boot doesn't even get close to loading
Windows. The question is which hardware component is bad. Yes, if it's
discovered that it is a card that's causing the problem, then trying a
different slot is the next step... But Windows isn't involved in the
slightest.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
news:urxzuppwHHA.4548@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Bad plan.
> See no reason to reinstall anything unless you change card locations n the
> motherboard. Then, again, windows might adjust to that without
> reinstalling anything.
>
> Would investigate the 2 problems hinted as bios summary message about
> floppy and the 2 beeps hinted as bios boot associated. Then, worry about
> windows if its really problem. Messing with windows now might incorporate
> stuff from the bios that's problematic.
> Dave
> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary
>>master. Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM,
>>reseated PCI card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem
>>card, pulled the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system
>>battery from MB for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps
>>(Pheonix) it booted to Windows.
>>
>> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting
>> after each.
>>
>> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
>>>
>>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not
>>> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom
>>> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it
>>> goes. It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup
>>> key; startup floppy never starts.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Dead MB?

I've had situations where the small wire from the CD drive to the sound card
caused problems. Try it with just that cable disconnected. If everything
then works, consider leaving it detached. It isn't needed. If that doesn't
fix things, then the CD drive itself is probably bad.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
news:eWXu4ypwHHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> If I have the CD/DVD-ROM power cable disconnected and the cable running
> from the CD/DVD-ROM to the sound card disconnected, everything works
> except, of course, the CD/DVD-ROM. If I have both or either of those
> cables connected Windows never starts.
>
> I have an old CD-ROM laying around someplace; I'll try that
> next.(Tomorrow) Must it also have a cable to the soundcard?
>
>
> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary
>>master. Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM,
>>reseated PCI card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem
>>card, pulled the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system
>>battery from MB for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps
>>(Pheonix) it booted to Windows.
>>
>> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting
>> after each.
>>
>> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
>>>
>>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not
>>> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom
>>> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it
>>> goes. It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup
>>> key; startup floppy never starts.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Stan]

Re: Dead MB?

The continuing saga.........

Three days ago, the eighth, I shut the system down with a cd in the drive.
Next day,with cd still in it wouldn't boot to windows and that's when I
started this thread.

The new findings.......

If I have a cd in the drive and boot, it freezes before Win starts. If I
take the cd out and reboot it boots just fine.

With the system running the cd rom door responds to the "open door button";
opens and closes. If I put a cd in and close the door then the cd rom quits
working all together, even the door won't open and close.

Tried a different data cable, no joy. Tried with sound card cable on and
off, no joy.

Tried a different cd rom but it's old and I think it's bad too. When I push
the open door button on this one the door opens but closes right away then
it's dead. (Think I have a third one around somewhere........)

BTW, I did try a different (never been used) slot on the MOBO, no joy.

"I'll be back"

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
>
> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not
all
> of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom and
> proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes. It
> just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key; startup
> floppy never starts.
>
> Any thoughts?
> Thanks
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Dead MB?

You certainly need to try a different CD drive.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
news:%23Ol6vMBxHHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> The continuing saga.........
>
> Three days ago, the eighth, I shut the system down with a cd in the drive.
> Next day,with cd still in it wouldn't boot to windows and that's when I
> started this thread.
>
> The new findings.......
>
> If I have a cd in the drive and boot, it freezes before Win starts. If I
> take the cd out and reboot it boots just fine.
>
> With the system running the cd rom door responds to the "open door
> button";
> opens and closes. If I put a cd in and close the door then the cd rom
> quits
> working all together, even the door won't open and close.
>
> Tried a different data cable, no joy. Tried with sound card cable on and
> off, no joy.
>
> Tried a different cd rom but it's old and I think it's bad too. When I
> push
> the open door button on this one the door opens but closes right away then
> it's dead. (Think I have a third one around somewhere........)
>
> BTW, I did try a different (never been used) slot on the MOBO, no joy.
>
> "I'll be back"
>
> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
>>
>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not
> all
>> of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom and
>> proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes. It
>> just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key; startup
>> floppy never starts.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Stan]

Re: Dead MB?

Okay, the secound replacement is working.

Dang it, I was all set to, "But honey, if we have to get a new one it may as
well be a burner". LOL

Thanks to all for your direction. Have a nice evening.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:OQFDDVBxHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> You certainly need to try a different CD drive.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Ol6vMBxHHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > The continuing saga.........
> >
> > Three days ago, the eighth, I shut the system down with a cd in the
drive.
> > Next day,with cd still in it wouldn't boot to windows and that's when I
> > started this thread.
> >
> > The new findings.......
> >
> > If I have a cd in the drive and boot, it freezes before Win starts. If I
> > take the cd out and reboot it boots just fine.
> >
> > With the system running the cd rom door responds to the "open door
> > button";
> > opens and closes. If I put a cd in and close the door then the cd rom
> > quits
> > working all together, even the door won't open and close.
> >
> > Tried a different data cable, no joy. Tried with sound card cable on and
> > off, no joy.
> >
> > Tried a different cd rom but it's old and I think it's bad too. When I
> > push
> > the open door button on this one the door opens but closes right away
then
> > it's dead. (Think I have a third one around somewhere........)
> >
> > BTW, I did try a different (never been used) slot on the MOBO, no joy.
> >
> > "I'll be back"
> >
> > "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
> >>
> >> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least
not
> > all
> >> of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom
and
> >> proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes.
It
> >> just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;
startup
> >> floppy never starts.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Dead MB?

Tell your wife she's lucky. If it had been me....

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Oxc0wDCxHHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Okay, the secound replacement is working.
>
> Dang it, I was all set to, "But honey, if we have to get a new one it may
> as
> well be a burner". LOL
>
> Thanks to all for your direction. Have a nice evening.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:OQFDDVBxHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> You certainly need to try a different CD drive.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23Ol6vMBxHHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > The continuing saga.........
>> >
>> > Three days ago, the eighth, I shut the system down with a cd in the
> drive.
>> > Next day,with cd still in it wouldn't boot to windows and that's when I
>> > started this thread.
>> >
>> > The new findings.......
>> >
>> > If I have a cd in the drive and boot, it freezes before Win starts. If
>> > I
>> > take the cd out and reboot it boots just fine.
>> >
>> > With the system running the cd rom door responds to the "open door
>> > button";
>> > opens and closes. If I put a cd in and close the door then the cd rom
>> > quits
>> > working all together, even the door won't open and close.
>> >
>> > Tried a different data cable, no joy. Tried with sound card cable on
>> > and
>> > off, no joy.
>> >
>> > Tried a different cd rom but it's old and I think it's bad too. When I
>> > push
>> > the open door button on this one the door opens but closes right away
> then
>> > it's dead. (Think I have a third one around somewhere........)
>> >
>> > BTW, I did try a different (never been used) slot on the MOBO, no joy.
>> >
>> > "I'll be back"
>> >
>> > "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'
>> >>
>> >> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least
> not
>> > all
>> >> of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom
> and
>> >> proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes.
> It
>> >> just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;
> startup
>> >> floppy never starts.
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts?
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>