Windows Server 2003 backup

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Rather than writing a new scheduled task every day, I set up a revolving set
of backups, using the same tape three or four times then changing it.
There's a MON-WED tape and a THU-SUN tape. The first day the tape is
initialized, the other days it appends. There are six tapes to cover three
weeks.
However, if there is a holiday and no-one to change the tape, it initializes
the tape on the Monday, writing over THU-SUN, but the appends on Tues and
Wed do not run. It seems they will only run on the particular tape that was
in the server when I set up this repeating scheduled task which happens
every three weeks on those days. This is the task that did not run, which
was supposed to be on Tape 3 but Tape 2 was in the drive:

C:\WINNT\system32\ntbackup.exe backup "@C:\Documents and
Settings\OfficeAdmin\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows
NT\NTBackup\data\TUE3.bks" /a /d "Set created every third Tuesday at 5:00
PM" /v:no /r:no /rs:no /hc:on /m normal /j "TUE3" /l:s /g
"e4d6bf84-ac01-48f1-a3c0-109757999dba"

Is there a way to make Backup work no matter which tape is in the drive, so
I don't have to set up differerent tasks for each tape, each day?
 
Re: Windows Server 2003 backup


"M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
news:eatc%236$7HHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Rather than writing a new scheduled task every day, I set up a revolving
> set of backups, using the same tape three or four times then changing it.
> There's a MON-WED tape and a THU-SUN tape. The first day the tape is
> initialized, the other days it appends. There are six tapes to cover
> three weeks.
> However, if there is a holiday and no-one to change the tape, it
> initializes the tape on the Monday, writing over THU-SUN, but the appends
> on Tues and Wed do not run. It seems they will only run on the particular
> tape that was in the server when I set up this repeating scheduled task
> which happens every three weeks on those days. This is the task that did
> not run, which was supposed to be on Tape 3 but Tape 2 was in the drive:
>
> C:\WINNT\system32\ntbackup.exe backup "@C:\Documents and
> Settings\OfficeAdmin\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows
> NT\NTBackup\data\TUE3.bks" /a /d "Set created every third Tuesday at 5:00
> PM" /v:no /r:no /rs:no /hc:on /m normal /j "TUE3" /l:s /g
> "e4d6bf84-ac01-48f1-a3c0-109757999dba"
>
> Is there a way to make Backup work no matter which tape is in the drive,
> so I don't have to set up differerent tasks for each tape, each day?
>

You could try the /um switch for unmanaged backups.
http://www.jsifaq.com/SF/Tips, tips 5955 and 2265
See also http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=239892
 
Re: Windows Server 2003 backup

I do use /p "LTO Ultrium" /um for the first tape of the set - I thought that
was part of the initialization of the tape. I have now added this to the
second day for the append to see what happens when the correct tape is in to
make sure it works OK, then I will try with the "wrong" tape.
If this doesn't work I will ask for more assistance.
Thanks,
Mich

"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message
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>
> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
> news:eatc%236$7HHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Rather than writing a new scheduled task every day, I set up a revolving
>> set of backups, using the same tape three or four times then changing it.
>> There's a MON-WED tape and a THU-SUN tape. The first day the tape is
>> initialized, the other days it appends. There are six tapes to cover
>> three weeks.
>> However, if there is a holiday and no-one to change the tape, it
>> initializes the tape on the Monday, writing over THU-SUN, but the appends
>> on Tues and Wed do not run. It seems they will only run on the
>> particular tape that was in the server when I set up this repeating
>> scheduled task which happens every three weeks on those days. This is
>> the task that did not run, which was supposed to be on Tape 3 but Tape 2
>> was in the drive:
>>
>> C:\WINNT\system32\ntbackup.exe backup "@C:\Documents and
>> Settings\OfficeAdmin\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows
>> NT\NTBackup\data\TUE3.bks" /a /d "Set created every third Tuesday at 5:00
>> PM" /v:no /r:no /rs:no /hc:on /m normal /j "TUE3" /l:s /g
>> "e4d6bf84-ac01-48f1-a3c0-109757999dba"
>>
>> Is there a way to make Backup work no matter which tape is in the drive,
>> so I don't have to set up differerent tasks for each tape, each day?
>>
>
> You could try the /um switch for unmanaged backups.
> http://www.jsifaq.com/SF/Tips, tips 5955 and 2265
> See also http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=239892
>
>
 
Re: Windows Server 2003 backup

This did not work: the message in the log is:
Backup Status
The operation was not performed because an append operation was requested
for new media.
So /um must be for new media, and what I want is to be able to do an append
on whatever media is in the tape drive.

Any other help?
Mich

"M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
news:OSJQ$eM8HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I do use /p "LTO Ultrium" /um for the first tape of the set - I thought
>that was part of the initialization of the tape. I have now added this to
>the second day for the append to see what happens when the correct tape is
>in to make sure it works OK, then I will try with the "wrong" tape.
> If this doesn't work I will ask for more assistance.
> Thanks,
> Mich
>
> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message
> news:%236$xOIA8HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
>> news:eatc%236$7HHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Rather than writing a new scheduled task every day, I set up a revolving
>>> set of backups, using the same tape three or four times then changing
>>> it.
>>> There's a MON-WED tape and a THU-SUN tape. The first day the tape is
>>> initialized, the other days it appends. There are six tapes to cover
>>> three weeks.
>>> However, if there is a holiday and no-one to change the tape, it
>>> initializes the tape on the Monday, writing over THU-SUN, but the
>>> appends on Tues and Wed do not run. It seems they will only run on the
>>> particular tape that was in the server when I set up this repeating
>>> scheduled task which happens every three weeks on those days. This is
>>> the task that did not run, which was supposed to be on Tape 3 but Tape 2
>>> was in the drive:
>>>
>>> C:\WINNT\system32\ntbackup.exe backup "@C:\Documents and
>>> Settings\OfficeAdmin\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows
>>> NT\NTBackup\data\TUE3.bks" /a /d "Set created every third Tuesday at
>>> 5:00 PM" /v:no /r:no /rs:no /hc:on /m normal /j "TUE3" /l:s /g
>>> "e4d6bf84-ac01-48f1-a3c0-109757999dba"
>>>
>>> Is there a way to make Backup work no matter which tape is in the drive,
>>> so I don't have to set up differerent tasks for each tape, each day?
>>>
>>
>> You could try the /um switch for unmanaged backups.
>> http://www.jsifaq.com/SF/Tips, tips 5955 and 2265
>> See also http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=239892
>>
>>
>
>
 
Re: Windows Server 2003 backup

AFAIK, you can only append to managed media. In other
words, the /um switch and the append switch are mutually
contradictory.


"M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
news:Olli8i68HHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> This did not work: the message in the log is:
> Backup Status
> The operation was not performed because an append operation was requested
> for new media.
> So /um must be for new media, and what I want is to be able to do an
> append on whatever media is in the tape drive.
>
> Any other help?
> Mich
>
> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
> news:OSJQ$eM8HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>I do use /p "LTO Ultrium" /um for the first tape of the set - I thought
>>that was part of the initialization of the tape. I have now added this to
>>the second day for the append to see what happens when the correct tape is
>>in to make sure it works OK, then I will try with the "wrong" tape.
>> If this doesn't work I will ask for more assistance.
>> Thanks,
>> Mich
>>
>> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message
>> news:%236$xOIA8HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eatc%236$7HHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Rather than writing a new scheduled task every day, I set up a
>>>> revolving set of backups, using the same tape three or four times then
>>>> changing it.
>>>> There's a MON-WED tape and a THU-SUN tape. The first day the tape is
>>>> initialized, the other days it appends. There are six tapes to cover
>>>> three weeks.
>>>> However, if there is a holiday and no-one to change the tape, it
>>>> initializes the tape on the Monday, writing over THU-SUN, but the
>>>> appends on Tues and Wed do not run. It seems they will only run on the
>>>> particular tape that was in the server when I set up this repeating
>>>> scheduled task which happens every three weeks on those days. This is
>>>> the task that did not run, which was supposed to be on Tape 3 but Tape
>>>> 2 was in the drive:
>>>>
>>>> C:\WINNT\system32\ntbackup.exe backup "@C:\Documents and
>>>> Settings\OfficeAdmin\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows
>>>> NT\NTBackup\data\TUE3.bks" /a /d "Set created every third Tuesday at
>>>> 5:00 PM" /v:no /r:no /rs:no /hc:on /m normal /j "TUE3" /l:s /g
>>>> "e4d6bf84-ac01-48f1-a3c0-109757999dba"
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to make Backup work no matter which tape is in the
>>>> drive, so I don't have to set up differerent tasks for each tape, each
>>>> day?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You could try the /um switch for unmanaged backups.
>>> http://www.jsifaq.com/SF/Tips, tips 5955 and 2265
>>> See also http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=239892
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
Re: Windows Server 2003 backup

So back to my original question:
Is there a way to make Backup work no matter which tape is in the drive, so
I don't have to set up differerent tasks for each tape, each day?

"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message
news:%23Tyg8a78HHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> AFAIK, you can only append to managed media. In other
> words, the /um switch and the append switch are mutually
> contradictory.
>
>
> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
> news:Olli8i68HHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> This did not work: the message in the log is:
>> Backup Status
>> The operation was not performed because an append operation was
>> requested for new media.
>> So /um must be for new media, and what I want is to be able to do an
>> append on whatever media is in the tape drive.
>>
>> Any other help?
>> Mich
>>
>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
>> news:OSJQ$eM8HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>I do use /p "LTO Ultrium" /um for the first tape of the set - I thought
>>>that was part of the initialization of the tape. I have now added this
>>>to the second day for the append to see what happens when the correct
>>>tape is in to make sure it works OK, then I will try with the "wrong"
>>>tape.
>>> If this doesn't work I will ask for more assistance.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mich
>>>
>>> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%236$xOIA8HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eatc%236$7HHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Rather than writing a new scheduled task every day, I set up a
>>>>> revolving set of backups, using the same tape three or four times then
>>>>> changing it.
>>>>> There's a MON-WED tape and a THU-SUN tape. The first day the tape is
>>>>> initialized, the other days it appends. There are six tapes to cover
>>>>> three weeks.
>>>>> However, if there is a holiday and no-one to change the tape, it
>>>>> initializes the tape on the Monday, writing over THU-SUN, but the
>>>>> appends on Tues and Wed do not run. It seems they will only run on
>>>>> the particular tape that was in the server when I set up this
>>>>> repeating scheduled task which happens every three weeks on those
>>>>> days. This is the task that did not run, which was supposed to be on
>>>>> Tape 3 but Tape 2 was in the drive:
>>>>>
>>>>> C:\WINNT\system32\ntbackup.exe backup "@C:\Documents and
>>>>> Settings\OfficeAdmin\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows
>>>>> NT\NTBackup\data\TUE3.bks" /a /d "Set created every third Tuesday at
>>>>> 5:00 PM" /v:no /r:no /rs:no /hc:on /m normal /j "TUE3" /l:s /g
>>>>> "e4d6bf84-ac01-48f1-a3c0-109757999dba"
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to make Backup work no matter which tape is in the
>>>>> drive, so I don't have to set up differerent tasks for each tape, each
>>>>> day?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You could try the /um switch for unmanaged backups.
>>>> http://www.jsifaq.com/SF/Tips, tips 5955 and 2265
>>>> See also http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=239892
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
Re: Windows Server 2003 backup

I think I answered this question before:
- New tapes: You can use any tape provided you use the /um switch.
- Append to existing tapes: You must insert the tape specified in your
script.

Here is a different thought. I don't think much of tape backups
and even less of appending files to existing backups. Backups
are supposed to be robust, yet if one of the early backup sets
is unreadable then the whole rest becomes unreadable too.
Ask yourself these questions (no need to post the replies!):
- Did you retrieve a sample folder off your tapes after setting
up the backup scheme? (No)
- Do you do this regularly? How often? (No)
- How long does it take to retrieve a file from the last
backup set on the tape? (Don't know, probably several hours)
- Is this time acceptable to the user? (Probably not)

The answers in brackets is what I find in most cases.


"M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
news:uGxV6C88HHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> So back to my original question:
> Is there a way to make Backup work no matter which tape is in the drive,
> so
> I don't have to set up differerent tasks for each tape, each day?
>
> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Tyg8a78HHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> AFAIK, you can only append to managed media. In other
>> words, the /um switch and the append switch are mutually
>> contradictory.
>>
>>
>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
>> news:Olli8i68HHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> This did not work: the message in the log is:
>>> Backup Status
>>> The operation was not performed because an append operation was
>>> requested for new media.
>>> So /um must be for new media, and what I want is to be able to do an
>>> append on whatever media is in the tape drive.
>>>
>>> Any other help?
>>> Mich
>>>
>>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OSJQ$eM8HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>I do use /p "LTO Ultrium" /um for the first tape of the set - I thought
>>>>that was part of the initialization of the tape. I have now added this
>>>>to the second day for the append to see what happens when the correct
>>>>tape is in to make sure it works OK, then I will try with the "wrong"
>>>>tape.
>>>> If this doesn't work I will ask for more assistance.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mich
>>>>
>>>> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%236$xOIA8HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eatc%236$7HHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Rather than writing a new scheduled task every day, I set up a
>>>>>> revolving set of backups, using the same tape three or four times
>>>>>> then changing it.
>>>>>> There's a MON-WED tape and a THU-SUN tape. The first day the tape is
>>>>>> initialized, the other days it appends. There are six tapes to cover
>>>>>> three weeks.
>>>>>> However, if there is a holiday and no-one to change the tape, it
>>>>>> initializes the tape on the Monday, writing over THU-SUN, but the
>>>>>> appends on Tues and Wed do not run. It seems they will only run on
>>>>>> the particular tape that was in the server when I set up this
>>>>>> repeating scheduled task which happens every three weeks on those
>>>>>> days. This is the task that did not run, which was supposed to be on
>>>>>> Tape 3 but Tape 2 was in the drive:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C:\WINNT\system32\ntbackup.exe backup "@C:\Documents and
>>>>>> Settings\OfficeAdmin\Local Settings\Application
>>>>>> Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\data\TUE3.bks" /a /d "Set created
>>>>>> every third Tuesday at 5:00 PM" /v:no /r:no /rs:no /hc:on /m normal
>>>>>> /j "TUE3" /l:s /g "e4d6bf84-ac01-48f1-a3c0-109757999dba"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way to make Backup work no matter which tape is in the
>>>>>> drive, so I don't have to set up differerent tasks for each tape,
>>>>>> each day?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You could try the /um switch for unmanaged backups.
>>>>> http://www.jsifaq.com/SF/Tips, tips 5955 and 2265
>>>>> See also http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=239892
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
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