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We do a backup overnight of our network shares. The problem is what to do
about files being created and accidentally deleted by a user during one
working day? This has happened again and undelete does not see the file on
the server or the client. Is there a way to ensure that files on network
shares can be restored using an undelete application either on the server or
the client?

Volume Shadow Copy appears to be xcopy wrapped up. It recommends using it
only once per hour, so what happens if someone creates a file and
accidentally deletes it during this 1 hour period? Is this really a usable
solution or just wasting CPU cycles?

I would like to know more about this please.


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regards, Mark
 
Re: network share

Hello,

VSS allow to recover deleted items. If you running it Twice a day, you would
only loose files both created and deleted between shadow.

You would better educate your users and make them accept it's working way.

For critical folders, you may deny the "delete subfolders and files" right.
Again, this doesn't help users to behave better.


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Cordialement,
Mathieu CHATEAU
http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com


"uanmi" <uanmi@community.nospam> wrote in message
news:3D0AAE2A-2322-4819-8DE0-99075420C796@microsoft.com...
> We do a backup overnight of our network shares. The problem is what to do
> about files being created and accidentally deleted by a user during one
> working day? This has happened again and undelete does not see the file on
> the server or the client. Is there a way to ensure that files on network
> shares can be restored using an undelete application either on the server
> or
> the client?
>
> Volume Shadow Copy appears to be xcopy wrapped up. It recommends using it
> only once per hour, so what happens if someone creates a file and
> accidentally deletes it during this 1 hour period? Is this really a usable
> solution or just wasting CPU cycles?
>
> I would like to know more about this please.
>
>
> --
> regards, Mark
 
Re: network share

Hi,

it just seems to me to be a flaw in windows that should have been fixed
after 20 years. The use of network file shares is very common today and I
find it boggling that if someone deletes a file that the file does not go to
a recycle bin on either the server or the client computer.

Surely this would not be hard for a Microsoft programmer to fix in the next
OS release?
If someone deletes a file or folder from a network share then it goes into
their recycle bin. Simple eh?

If this were fixed it would be suitable then to do daily backups and
everyone is happy.

I'm interested in any tools that would do this.

regards,
Mark
 
Re: network share

You can find third party software, like this one:
http://www.undelete.com/undelete/udservers.asp?RId=1&CId=1&Aeid=0&Apid=0&SId=5

Microsoft tends to give space for partner to fill gaps ;)

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Cordialement,
Mathieu CHATEAU
http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com


"uanmi" <uanmi@community.nospam> wrote in message
news:892925A8-34E7-44FE-94BB-15F40A8C4BEA@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
>
> it just seems to me to be a flaw in windows that should have been fixed
> after 20 years. The use of network file shares is very common today and I
> find it boggling that if someone deletes a file that the file does not go
> to
> a recycle bin on either the server or the client computer.
>
> Surely this would not be hard for a Microsoft programmer to fix in the
> next
> OS release?
> If someone deletes a file or folder from a network share then it goes into
> their recycle bin. Simple eh?
>
> If this were fixed it would be suitable then to do daily backups and
> everyone is happy.
>
> I'm interested in any tools that would do this.
>
> regards,
> Mark
>
 
Re: network share

I would not purchase undelete on principal. $1000 for undelete server. This
should be included in Windows. It would probably take one of the Microsoft OS
team less than one day to program a working permanent solution to this
problem.
--
regards, Mark


"Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote:

> You can find third party software, like this one:
> http://www.undelete.com/undelete/udservers.asp?RId=1&CId=1&Aeid=0&Apid=0&SId=5
>
> Microsoft tends to give space for partner to fill gaps ;)
>
> --
> Cordialement,
> Mathieu CHATEAU
> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com
>
>
> "uanmi" <uanmi@community.nospam> wrote in message
> news:892925A8-34E7-44FE-94BB-15F40A8C4BEA@microsoft.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > it just seems to me to be a flaw in windows that should have been fixed
> > after 20 years. The use of network file shares is very common today and I
> > find it boggling that if someone deletes a file that the file does not go
> > to
> > a recycle bin on either the server or the client computer.
> >
> > Surely this would not be hard for a Microsoft programmer to fix in the
> > next
> > OS release?
> > If someone deletes a file or folder from a network share then it goes into
> > their recycle bin. Simple eh?
> >
> > If this were fixed it would be suitable then to do daily backups and
> > everyone is happy.
> >
> > I'm interested in any tools that would do this.
> >
> > regards,
> > Mark
> >
>
>
 
Re: network share

I don't know your company, but one day is nothing in developpement : test /
validation / pre production / production

I am sure you are not willing a BSOD on your production server

If it's so fast, you would accept to make it freeware ?

--
Cordialement,
Mathieu CHATEAU
http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com


"uanmi" <uanmi@community.nospam> wrote in message
news:E51E7B7C-7FD9-47B8-9DC6-27975753D3EA@microsoft.com...
>I would not purchase undelete on principal. $1000 for undelete server. This
> should be included in Windows. It would probably take one of the Microsoft
> OS
> team less than one day to program a working permanent solution to this
> problem.
> --
> regards, Mark
>
>
> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote:
>
>> You can find third party software, like this one:
>> http://www.undelete.com/undelete/udservers.asp?RId=1&CId=1&Aeid=0&Apid=0&SId=5
>>
>> Microsoft tends to give space for partner to fill gaps ;)
>>
>> --
>> Cordialement,
>> Mathieu CHATEAU
>> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> "uanmi" <uanmi@community.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:892925A8-34E7-44FE-94BB-15F40A8C4BEA@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > it just seems to me to be a flaw in windows that should have been fixed
>> > after 20 years. The use of network file shares is very common today and
>> > I
>> > find it boggling that if someone deletes a file that the file does not
>> > go
>> > to
>> > a recycle bin on either the server or the client computer.
>> >
>> > Surely this would not be hard for a Microsoft programmer to fix in the
>> > next
>> > OS release?
>> > If someone deletes a file or folder from a network share then it goes
>> > into
>> > their recycle bin. Simple eh?
>> >
>> > If this were fixed it would be suitable then to do daily backups and
>> > everyone is happy.
>> >
>> > I'm interested in any tools that would do this.
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > Mark
>> >
>>
>>
 
Re: network share

Hi Mathieu,

I don't want to get off topic here.

Microsoft could easily make shared folders so that when a user deletes a
file or folder from a shared folder it is moved to the recycle bin. This is
all we need to solve this situation and then use backup every day to ensure
that long term backups are achieved.

--
regards, Mark


"Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote:

> I don't know your company, but one day is nothing in developpement : test /
> validation / pre production / production
>
> I am sure you are not willing a BSOD on your production server
>
> If it's so fast, you would accept to make it freeware ?
>
> --
> Cordialement,
> Mathieu CHATEAU
> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com
>
>
> "uanmi" <uanmi@community.nospam> wrote in message
> news:E51E7B7C-7FD9-47B8-9DC6-27975753D3EA@microsoft.com...
> >I would not purchase undelete on principal. $1000 for undelete server. This
> > should be included in Windows. It would probably take one of the Microsoft
> > OS
> > team less than one day to program a working permanent solution to this
> > problem.
> > --
> > regards, Mark
> >
> >
> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote:
> >
> >> You can find third party software, like this one:
> >> http://www.undelete.com/undelete/udservers.asp?RId=1&CId=1&Aeid=0&Apid=0&SId=5
> >>
> >> Microsoft tends to give space for partner to fill gaps ;)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cordialement,
> >> Mathieu CHATEAU
> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com
> >>
> >>
> >> "uanmi" <uanmi@community.nospam> wrote in message
> >> news:892925A8-34E7-44FE-94BB-15F40A8C4BEA@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > it just seems to me to be a flaw in windows that should have been fixed
> >> > after 20 years. The use of network file shares is very common today and
> >> > I
> >> > find it boggling that if someone deletes a file that the file does not
> >> > go
> >> > to
> >> > a recycle bin on either the server or the client computer.
> >> >
> >> > Surely this would not be hard for a Microsoft programmer to fix in the
> >> > next
> >> > OS release?
> >> > If someone deletes a file or folder from a network share then it goes
> >> > into
> >> > their recycle bin. Simple eh?
> >> >
> >> > If this were fixed it would be suitable then to do daily backups and
> >> > everyone is happy.
> >> >
> >> > I'm interested in any tools that would do this.
> >> >
> >> > regards,
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
 
Re: network share

uanmi wrote:
> Hi Mathieu,
>
> I don't want to get off topic here.
>
> Microsoft could easily make shared folders so that when a user deletes a
> file or folder from a shared folder it is moved to the recycle bin. This is
> all we need to solve this situation and then use backup every day to ensure
> that long term backups are achieved.
>
hhmm... wonder if they are considering that the recycle bin may fill up
and jam up the server? a size limit would fix that, tho.. I've
wondered that for years..

'course the big-league OS'es dont' do that either!!! ;-)
 
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