Need your advice on this.

[Jane]

Hi all,

I am going to move to windows 2003 terminal server. Currently, we are using
Citrix servers and at most we have only 6 users connected at the same time
even though we have around 400 users. Can I just purchase 25 user CALs and
it will supply our needs? I guess that windows 2003 terminal server can pool
users concurrently as Citrix servers. Any advice on the license and other
known issues. Also, I can just install licensing server on the windows 2003
terminal server.

Thank you.

 

[Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Need your advice on this.

I'm afraid that your assumption about concurrent license usage is
*not* correct.
TS CAL licenses are either Per Device or Per User, but never
concurrent. So you'll need a TS CAL for every specific client or
user who connects to the Terminal Server. But maybe there's only a
subset of your total user group who ever connects to the TS?
Yes, the TS Licensing Service can be installed on the same server
as the TS, it doesn't have to run on the DC anymore.

Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricl
icfaq.mspx
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?SmFuZQ==?= <Jane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 12
sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Hi all,
>
> I am going to move to windows 2003 terminal server. Currently,
> we are using Citrix servers and at most we have only 6 users
> connected at the same time even though we have around 400 users.
> Can I just purchase 25 user CALs and it will supply our needs?
> I guess that windows 2003 terminal server can pool users
> concurrently as Citrix servers. Any advice on the license and
> other known issues. Also, I can just install licensing server
> on the windows 2003 terminal server.
>
> Thank you.

 

[Jane]

Re: Need your advice on this.

Vera,

Thanks for your reply. You mean if I have around 200 users that may use
it occationally even though there are most 6 users that are using at the same
time. Then I need to purchase 200 users license even though some users only
use once ot twice per month or pre year. Right? so, they can not pool users
license as the way as Citrix.

Please advise and you are the true expert.

Thank You.

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> I'm afraid that your assumption about concurrent license usage is
> *not* correct.
> TS CAL licenses are either Per Device or Per User, but never
> concurrent. So you'll need a TS CAL for every specific client or
> user who connects to the Terminal Server. But maybe there's only a
> subset of your total user group who ever connects to the TS?
> Yes, the TS Licensing Service can be installed on the same server
> as the TS, it doesn't have to run on the DC anymore.
>
> Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricl
> icfaq.mspx
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> =?Utf-8?B?SmFuZQ==?= <Jane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 12
> sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am going to move to windows 2003 terminal server. Currently,
> > we are using Citrix servers and at most we have only 6 users
> > connected at the same time even though we have around 400 users.
> > Can I just purchase 25 user CALs and it will supply our needs?
> > I guess that windows 2003 terminal server can pool users
> > concurrently as Citrix servers. Any advice on the license and
> > other known issues. Also, I can just install licensing server
> > on the windows 2003 terminal server.
> >
> > Thank you.
>

 

[Jeff Pitsch]

Re: Need your advice on this.

That is correct. you would need 200 per user licenses. Now if multiple
users share a computer (say differing shifts) then you could get away
with per device licensing and have to buy fewer licenses.

Jeff Pitsch
Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
Citrix Technology Professional
Provision Networks VIP

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Jane wrote:
> Vera,
>
> Thanks for your reply. You mean if I have around 200 users that may use
> it occationally even though there are most 6 users that are using at the same
> time. Then I need to purchase 200 users license even though some users only
> use once ot twice per month or pre year. Right? so, they can not pool users
> license as the way as Citrix.
>
> Please advise and you are the true expert.
>
> Thank You.
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid that your assumption about concurrent license usage is
>> *not* correct.
>> TS CAL licenses are either Per Device or Per User, but never
>> concurrent. So you'll need a TS CAL for every specific client or
>> user who connects to the Terminal Server. But maybe there's only a
>> subset of your total user group who ever connects to the TS?
>> Yes, the TS Licensing Service can be installed on the same server
>> as the TS, it doesn't have to run on the DC anymore.
>>
>> Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricl
>> icfaq.mspx
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>
>> =?Utf-8?B?SmFuZQ==?= <Jane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 12
>> sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am going to move to windows 2003 terminal server. Currently,
>>> we are using Citrix servers and at most we have only 6 users
>>> connected at the same time even though we have around 400 users.
>>> Can I just purchase 25 user CALs and it will supply our needs?
>>> I guess that windows 2003 terminal server can pool users
>>> concurrently as Citrix servers. Any advice on the license and
>>> other known issues. Also, I can just install licensing server
>>> on the windows 2003 terminal server.
>>>
>>> Thank you.

 

[Hank Arnold (MVP)]

Re: Need your advice on this.

Bottom line is that, unlike Citrix, MS does not have any concurrent
licenses. Period. With 2003, you can choose between per user and per
device. If you have more users than computers/devices, then choose Per
Device. If you have more devices than users, choose Per User.

TS licenses do get returned to the "bank" if unused for a certain amount
of time. If you run out of licenses, a user/device can run for 90 days
with a temporary license. If none are returned in that period of time,
you need to buy more.

--

Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services

Jane wrote:
> Vera,
>
> Thanks for your reply. You mean if I have around 200 users that may use
> it occationally even though there are most 6 users that are using at the same
> time. Then I need to purchase 200 users license even though some users only
> use once ot twice per month or pre year. Right? so, they can not pool users
> license as the way as Citrix.
>
> Please advise and you are the true expert.
>
> Thank You.
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid that your assumption about concurrent license usage is
>> *not* correct.
>> TS CAL licenses are either Per Device or Per User, but never
>> concurrent. So you'll need a TS CAL for every specific client or
>> user who connects to the Terminal Server. But maybe there's only a
>> subset of your total user group who ever connects to the TS?
>> Yes, the TS Licensing Service can be installed on the same server
>> as the TS, it doesn't have to run on the DC anymore.
>>
>> Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricl
>> icfaq.mspx
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>
>> =?Utf-8?B?SmFuZQ==?= <Jane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 12
>> sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am going to move to windows 2003 terminal server. Currently,
>>> we are using Citrix servers and at most we have only 6 users
>>> connected at the same time even though we have around 400 users.
>>> Can I just purchase 25 user CALs and it will supply our needs?
>>> I guess that windows 2003 terminal server can pool users
>>> concurrently as Citrix servers. Any advice on the license and
>>> other known issues. Also, I can just install licensing server
>>> on the windows 2003 terminal server.
>>>
>>> Thank you.

 

[Jane]

Re: Need your advice on this.

Thanks for your reply.
> TS licenses do get returned to the "bank" if unused for a certain amount
> of time.

Do you know how long unused for a certain amount of time is?

Thanks.


"Hank Arnold (MVP)" wrote:

> Bottom line is that, unlike Citrix, MS does not have any concurrent
> licenses. Period. With 2003, you can choose between per user and per
> device. If you have more users than computers/devices, then choose Per
> Device. If you have more devices than users, choose Per User.
>
> TS licenses do get returned to the "bank" if unused for a certain amount
> of time. If you run out of licenses, a user/device can run for 90 days
> with a temporary license. If none are returned in that period of time,
> you need to buy more.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Hank Arnold
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Server - Directory Services
>
> Jane wrote:
> > Vera,
> >
> > Thanks for your reply. You mean if I have around 200 users that may use
> > it occationally even though there are most 6 users that are using at the same
> > time. Then I need to purchase 200 users license even though some users only
> > use once ot twice per month or pre year. Right? so, they can not pool users
> > license as the way as Citrix.
> >
> > Please advise and you are the true expert.
> >
> > Thank You.
> >
> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> I'm afraid that your assumption about concurrent license usage is
> >> *not* correct.
> >> TS CAL licenses are either Per Device or Per User, but never
> >> concurrent. So you'll need a TS CAL for every specific client or
> >> user who connects to the Terminal Server. But maybe there's only a
> >> subset of your total user group who ever connects to the TS?
> >> Yes, the TS Licensing Service can be installed on the same server
> >> as the TS, it doesn't have to run on the DC anymore.
> >>
> >> Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricl
> >> icfaq.mspx
> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> Vera Noest
> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> >>
> >> =?Utf-8?B?SmFuZQ==?= <Jane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 12
> >> sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I am going to move to windows 2003 terminal server. Currently,
> >>> we are using Citrix servers and at most we have only 6 users
> >>> connected at the same time even though we have around 400 users.
> >>> Can I just purchase 25 user CALs and it will supply our needs?
> >>> I guess that windows 2003 terminal server can pool users
> >>> concurrently as Citrix servers. Any advice on the license and
> >>> other known issues. Also, I can just install licensing server
> >>> on the windows 2003 terminal server.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
>

 

[Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Need your advice on this.

TS CALs expire after a random period of 52 - 89 days.

_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?SmFuZQ==?= <Jane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 14
sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Thanks for your reply.
>> TS licenses do get returned to the "bank" if unused for a
>> certain amount of time.
>
> Do you know how long unused for a certain amount of time is?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> "Hank Arnold (MVP)" wrote:
>
>> Bottom line is that, unlike Citrix, MS does not have any
>> concurrent licenses. Period. With 2003, you can choose between
>> per user and per device. If you have more users than
>> computers/devices, then choose Per Device. If you have more
>> devices than users, choose Per User.
>>
>> TS licenses do get returned to the "bank" if unused for a
>> certain amount of time. If you run out of licenses, a
>> user/device can run for 90 days with a temporary license. If
>> none are returned in that period of time, you need to buy more.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hank Arnold
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Server - Directory Services
>>
>> Jane wrote:
>> > Vera,
>> >
>> > Thanks for your reply. You mean if I have around 200 users
>> > that may use it occationally even though there are most 6
>> > users that are using at the same time. Then I need to
>> > purchase 200 users license even though some users only use
>> > once ot twice per month or pre year. Right? so, they can
>> > not pool users license as the way as Citrix.
>> >
>> > Please advise and you are the true expert.
>> >
>> > Thank You.
>> >
>> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm afraid that your assumption about concurrent license
>> >> usage is *not* correct.
>> >> TS CAL licenses are either Per Device or Per User, but never
>> >> concurrent. So you'll need a TS CAL for every specific
>> >> client or user who connects to the Terminal Server. But
>> >> maybe there's only a subset of your total user group who
>> >> ever connects to the TS? Yes, the TS Licensing Service can
>> >> be installed on the same server as the TS, it doesn't have
>> >> to run on the DC anymore.
>> >>
>> >> Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing
>> >> /pricl icfaq.mspx
>> >> _________________________________________________________
>> >> Vera Noest
>> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>> >>
>> >> =?Utf-8?B?SmFuZQ==?= <Jane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>> >> on 12 sep 2007 in
>> >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I am going to move to windows 2003 terminal server.
>> >>> Currently, we are using Citrix servers and at most we have
>> >>> only 6 users connected at the same time even though we have
>> >>> around 400 users.
>> >>> Can I just purchase 25 user CALs and it will supply our
>> >>> needs?
>> >>> I guess that windows 2003 terminal server can pool users
>> >>> concurrently as Citrix servers. Any advice on the license
>> >>> and other known issues. Also, I can just install licensing
>> >>> server on the windows 2003 terminal server.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you.

 

[Hank Arnold (MVP)]

Re: Need your advice on this.

As Vera notes the period is some random number between 52 and 89 days.
This way, a temp license will be replaced by a permanent license before
it expires if you have enough.

The way it works is the first time a user (or device) logs onto a TS
server, it is issued a temporary license, even if there are permanent
licenses available. The second time the user/device logs on, it is
issued a permanent license, if one is available. If not, it keeps trying
until the 90 days is up.

What this does is prevent the problem created by using up licenses in
one-logon situations.

If a permanent license isn't available in the 90 days, it means you
don't have enough and need to get more.
--

Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services

Jane wrote:
> Thanks for your reply.
>> TS licenses do get returned to the "bank" if unused for a certain amount
>> of time.
>
> Do you know how long unused for a certain amount of time is?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> "Hank Arnold (MVP)" wrote:
>
>> Bottom line is that, unlike Citrix, MS does not have any concurrent
>> licenses. Period. With 2003, you can choose between per user and per
>> device. If you have more users than computers/devices, then choose Per
>> Device. If you have more devices than users, choose Per User.
>>
>> TS licenses do get returned to the "bank" if unused for a certain amount
>> of time. If you run out of licenses, a user/device can run for 90 days
>> with a temporary license. If none are returned in that period of time,
>> you need to buy more.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hank Arnold
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Server - Directory Services
>>
>> Jane wrote:
>>> Vera,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply. You mean if I have around 200 users that may use
>>> it occationally even though there are most 6 users that are using at the same
>>> time. Then I need to purchase 200 users license even though some users only
>>> use once ot twice per month or pre year. Right? so, they can not pool users
>>> license as the way as Citrix.
>>>
>>> Please advise and you are the true expert.
>>>
>>> Thank You.
>>>
>>> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm afraid that your assumption about concurrent license usage is
>>>> *not* correct.
>>>> TS CAL licenses are either Per Device or Per User, but never
>>>> concurrent. So you'll need a TS CAL for every specific client or
>>>> user who connects to the Terminal Server. But maybe there's only a
>>>> subset of your total user group who ever connects to the TS?
>>>> Yes, the TS Licensing Service can be installed on the same server
>>>> as the TS, it doesn't have to run on the DC anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricl
>>>> icfaq.mspx
>>>> _________________________________________________________
>>>> Vera Noest
>>>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>>>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>>>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>>>
>>>> =?Utf-8?B?SmFuZQ==?= <Jane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 12
>>>> sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am going to move to windows 2003 terminal server. Currently,
>>>>> we are using Citrix servers and at most we have only 6 users
>>>>> connected at the same time even though we have around 400 users.
>>>>> Can I just purchase 25 user CALs and it will supply our needs?
>>>>> I guess that windows 2003 terminal server can pool users
>>>>> concurrently as Citrix servers. Any advice on the license and
>>>>> other known issues. Also, I can just install licensing server
>>>>> on the windows 2003 terminal server.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.