Remote running of VB app using TS

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I need to test out a VB app running on TS. I would like to see what kind of
speed I can get for multiple remote users (up to 5) running the app with TS.
Am very new to TS.

Right now I have 2 XP Home computers to use for this testing. As I
understand it, XP home does not have TS capabiltiy. I believe I need to
upgrade one computer to XP Pro to do this testing. Correct?

If I do so, I believe this will allow up to 5 remote concurrent users
(before I would need additional licenses) running the app on the upgraded XP
Pro computer. Correct?

I may run this app either over the Internet or on a LAN or WAN. If I run
over the internet, can I test this using my other comptuer under XP Home and
my Internet Explorer browser, or would I need something additional on the
remote machine?

If I run over a LAN or WAN, would I need XP Pro on the machines needing to
access the app?

Many thanks for your help on this,
Mark
 
Re: Remote running of VB app using TS

I'm sorry, but your planned test environment is not going to work.
XP pro can only run one single user session at a time, either at
the console or through a remote connection. After all, it's a
single user OS.

_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
14 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> I need to test out a VB app running on TS. I would like to see
> what kind of speed I can get for multiple remote users (up to 5)
> running the app with TS. Am very new to TS.
>
> Right now I have 2 XP Home computers to use for this testing.
> As I understand it, XP home does not have TS capabiltiy. I
> believe I need to upgrade one computer to XP Pro to do this
> testing. Correct?
>
> If I do so, I believe this will allow up to 5 remote concurrent
> users (before I would need additional licenses) running the app
> on the upgraded XP Pro computer. Correct?
>
> I may run this app either over the Internet or on a LAN or WAN.
> If I run over the internet, can I test this using my other
> comptuer under XP Home and my Internet Explorer browser, or
> would I need something additional on the remote machine?
>
> If I run over a LAN or WAN, would I need XP Pro on the machines
> needing to access the app?
>
> Many thanks for your help on this,
> Mark
 
Re: Remote running of VB app using TS

Vera,

Thanks. So I guess I need to install Server2003 on the computer to allow
for multiuser access, is that correct?

Sorry these questions are so basic. My ultimate goal is twofold - first to
test wehether the app can run ok remotely over the Internet or over a LAN or
WAN using TS even as single user. Second, what is the speed when running 5
users at a time. I need to know what I need to purchase to run the tests.

The first goal is most important right now, and need to configure my
hardware/OS to allow me to run tests using TS even if it is as a single user.


Many thanks,
Mark

> I'm sorry, but your planned test environment is not going to work.
> XP pro can only run one single user session at a time, either at
> the console or through a remote connection. After all, it's a
> single user OS.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> =?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
> 14 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > I need to test out a VB app running on TS. I would like to see
> > what kind of speed I can get for multiple remote users (up to 5)
> > running the app with TS. Am very new to TS.
> >
> > Right now I have 2 XP Home computers to use for this testing.
> > As I understand it, XP home does not have TS capabiltiy. I
> > believe I need to upgrade one computer to XP Pro to do this
> > testing. Correct?
> >
> > If I do so, I believe this will allow up to 5 remote concurrent
> > users (before I would need additional licenses) running the app
> > on the upgraded XP Pro computer. Correct?
> >
> > I may run this app either over the Internet or on a LAN or WAN.
> > If I run over the internet, can I test this using my other
> > comptuer under XP Home and my Internet Explorer browser, or
> > would I need something additional on the remote machine?
> >
> > If I run over a LAN or WAN, would I need XP Pro on the machines
> > needing to access the app?
> >
> > Many thanks for your help on this,
> > Mark
>
 
Re: Remote running of VB app using TS

Yes, multi-user access requires a server OS. I would strongly
suggest running your tests on a system that is sufficiently similar
to the production system to abe of any value at all. So by all
means, install 2003 TS.
And I think your first goal should be to test if your application
can run on a Terminal Server. Period. Make sure that you perform
all tests with a normal user account, not an Administrator account.

If you want to access your Terminal Server with Internet explorer,
you will also have to run IIS + the web components of Terminal
Services (tsweb). But I would start accessing the TS with the
standard remote desktop client.
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
14 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Vera,
>
> Thanks. So I guess I need to install Server2003 on the computer
> to allow for multiuser access, is that correct?
>
> Sorry these questions are so basic. My ultimate goal is twofold
> - first to test wehether the app can run ok remotely over the
> Internet or over a LAN or WAN using TS even as single user.
> Second, what is the speed when running 5 users at a time. I
> need to know what I need to purchase to run the tests.
>
> The first goal is most important right now, and need to
> configure my hardware/OS to allow me to run tests using TS even
> if it is as a single user.
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Mark
>
>> I'm sorry, but your planned test environment is not going to
>> work. XP pro can only run one single user session at a time,
>> either at the console or through a remote connection. After
>> all, it's a single user OS.
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>
>> =?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>> on 14 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>> > I need to test out a VB app running on TS. I would like to
>> > see what kind of speed I can get for multiple remote users
>> > (up to 5) running the app with TS. Am very new to TS.
>> >
>> > Right now I have 2 XP Home computers to use for this testing.
>> > As I understand it, XP home does not have TS capabiltiy. I
>> > believe I need to upgrade one computer to XP Pro to do this
>> > testing. Correct?
>> >
>> > If I do so, I believe this will allow up to 5 remote
>> > concurrent users (before I would need additional licenses)
>> > running the app on the upgraded XP Pro computer. Correct?
>> >
>> > I may run this app either over the Internet or on a LAN or
>> > WAN. If I run over the internet, can I test this using my
>> > other comptuer under XP Home and my Internet Explorer
>> > browser, or would I need something additional on the remote
>> > machine?
>> >
>> > If I run over a LAN or WAN, would I need XP Pro on the
>> > machines needing to access the app?
>> >
>> > Many thanks for your help on this,
>> > Mark
 
Re: Remote running of VB app using TS

Vera,

Thanks. Yes, I am first interested in seeing if it can run in TS. Can I do
this testing without installing server2003? i.e., can I just upgrade to XP
pro and does that provide me with a copy of TS to access remotely and run the
tests?

I see I can get a trial version of Server2003, but only for 30 days. I'd
like to do all the testing I can to see if it runs in TS before starting the
trial server 2003.

Thanks again,
Mark

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> Yes, multi-user access requires a server OS. I would strongly
> suggest running your tests on a system that is sufficiently similar
> to the production system to abe of any value at all. So by all
> means, install 2003 TS.
> And I think your first goal should be to test if your application
> can run on a Terminal Server. Period. Make sure that you perform
> all tests with a normal user account, not an Administrator account.
>
> If you want to access your Terminal Server with Internet explorer,
> you will also have to run IIS + the web components of Terminal
> Services (tsweb). But I would start accessing the TS with the
> standard remote desktop client.
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> =?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
> 14 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > Vera,
> >
> > Thanks. So I guess I need to install Server2003 on the computer
> > to allow for multiuser access, is that correct?
> >
> > Sorry these questions are so basic. My ultimate goal is twofold
> > - first to test wehether the app can run ok remotely over the
> > Internet or over a LAN or WAN using TS even as single user.
> > Second, what is the speed when running 5 users at a time. I
> > need to know what I need to purchase to run the tests.
> >
> > The first goal is most important right now, and need to
> > configure my hardware/OS to allow me to run tests using TS even
> > if it is as a single user.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Mark
> >
> >> I'm sorry, but your planned test environment is not going to
> >> work. XP pro can only run one single user session at a time,
> >> either at the console or through a remote connection. After
> >> all, it's a single user OS.
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> Vera Noest
> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> >>
> >> =?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> >> on 14 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> >>
> >> > I need to test out a VB app running on TS. I would like to
> >> > see what kind of speed I can get for multiple remote users
> >> > (up to 5) running the app with TS. Am very new to TS.
> >> >
> >> > Right now I have 2 XP Home computers to use for this testing.
> >> > As I understand it, XP home does not have TS capabiltiy. I
> >> > believe I need to upgrade one computer to XP Pro to do this
> >> > testing. Correct?
> >> >
> >> > If I do so, I believe this will allow up to 5 remote
> >> > concurrent users (before I would need additional licenses)
> >> > running the app on the upgraded XP Pro computer. Correct?
> >> >
> >> > I may run this app either over the Internet or on a LAN or
> >> > WAN. If I run over the internet, can I test this using my
> >> > other comptuer under XP Home and my Internet Explorer
> >> > browser, or would I need something additional on the remote
> >> > machine?
> >> >
> >> > If I run over a LAN or WAN, would I need XP Pro on the
> >> > machines needing to access the app?
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks for your help on this,
> >> > Mark
>
 
Re: Remote running of VB app using TS

Vera,

Did some more checking and I see that TS is part of Server2003, so I guess
there is no way to do testing except to get the trial of Server2003.

For the next web stage of test, am I correct that IIS comes with XP Pro and
is tsWeb you mentioned already included in Server2003 or is that another cost
for me?

Thanks again,
Mark

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> Yes, multi-user access requires a server OS. I would strongly
> suggest running your tests on a system that is sufficiently similar
> to the production system to abe of any value at all. So by all
> means, install 2003 TS.
> And I think your first goal should be to test if your application
> can run on a Terminal Server. Period. Make sure that you perform
> all tests with a normal user account, not an Administrator account.
>
> If you want to access your Terminal Server with Internet explorer,
> you will also have to run IIS + the web components of Terminal
> Services (tsweb). But I would start accessing the TS with the
> standard remote desktop client.
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> =?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
> 14 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > Vera,
> >
> > Thanks. So I guess I need to install Server2003 on the computer
> > to allow for multiuser access, is that correct?
> >
> > Sorry these questions are so basic. My ultimate goal is twofold
> > - first to test wehether the app can run ok remotely over the
> > Internet or over a LAN or WAN using TS even as single user.
> > Second, what is the speed when running 5 users at a time. I
> > need to know what I need to purchase to run the tests.
> >
> > The first goal is most important right now, and need to
> > configure my hardware/OS to allow me to run tests using TS even
> > if it is as a single user.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Mark
> >
> >> I'm sorry, but your planned test environment is not going to
> >> work. XP pro can only run one single user session at a time,
> >> either at the console or through a remote connection. After
> >> all, it's a single user OS.
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> Vera Noest
> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> >>
> >> =?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> >> on 14 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> >>
> >> > I need to test out a VB app running on TS. I would like to
> >> > see what kind of speed I can get for multiple remote users
> >> > (up to 5) running the app with TS. Am very new to TS.
> >> >
> >> > Right now I have 2 XP Home computers to use for this testing.
> >> > As I understand it, XP home does not have TS capabiltiy. I
> >> > believe I need to upgrade one computer to XP Pro to do this
> >> > testing. Correct?
> >> >
> >> > If I do so, I believe this will allow up to 5 remote
> >> > concurrent users (before I would need additional licenses)
> >> > running the app on the upgraded XP Pro computer. Correct?
> >> >
> >> > I may run this app either over the Internet or on a LAN or
> >> > WAN. If I run over the internet, can I test this using my
> >> > other comptuer under XP Home and my Internet Explorer
> >> > browser, or would I need something additional on the remote
> >> > machine?
> >> >
> >> > If I run over a LAN or WAN, would I need XP Pro on the
> >> > machines needing to access the app?
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks for your help on this,
> >> > Mark
>
 
Re: Remote running of VB app using TS

No, there is no way that you can test TS multi-user functionality
on a single-user OS. There is no way around getting your hands on a
server 2003 installation.
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
15 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Vera,
>
> Thanks. Yes, I am first interested in seeing if it can run in
> TS. Can I do this testing without installing server2003? i.e.,
> can I just upgrade to XP pro and does that provide me with a
> copy of TS to access remotely and run the tests?
>
> I see I can get a trial version of Server2003, but only for 30
> days. I'd like to do all the testing I can to see if it runs in
> TS before starting the trial server 2003.
>
> Thanks again,
> Mark
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Yes, multi-user access requires a server OS. I would strongly
>> suggest running your tests on a system that is sufficiently
>> similar to the production system to abe of any value at all. So
>> by all means, install 2003 TS.
>> And I think your first goal should be to test if your
>> application can run on a Terminal Server. Period. Make sure
>> that you perform all tests with a normal user account, not an
>> Administrator account.
>>
>> If you want to access your Terminal Server with Internet
>> explorer, you will also have to run IIS + the web components of
>> Terminal Services (tsweb). But I would start accessing the TS
>> with the standard remote desktop client.
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>
>> =?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>> on 14 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>> > Vera,
>> >
>> > Thanks. So I guess I need to install Server2003 on the
>> > computer to allow for multiuser access, is that correct?
>> >
>> > Sorry these questions are so basic. My ultimate goal is
>> > twofold - first to test wehether the app can run ok remotely
>> > over the Internet or over a LAN or WAN using TS even as
>> > single user. Second, what is the speed when running 5 users
>> > at a time. I need to know what I need to purchase to run the
>> > tests.
>> >
>> > The first goal is most important right now, and need to
>> > configure my hardware/OS to allow me to run tests using TS
>> > even if it is as a single user.
>> >
>> >
>> > Many thanks,
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >> I'm sorry, but your planned test environment is not going to
>> >> work. XP pro can only run one single user session at a time,
>> >> either at the console or through a remote connection. After
>> >> all, it's a single user OS.
>> >>
>> >> _________________________________________________________
>> >> Vera Noest
>> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>> >>
>> >> =?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> >> wrote on 14 sep 2007 in
>> >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>> >>
>> >> > I need to test out a VB app running on TS. I would like
>> >> > to see what kind of speed I can get for multiple remote
>> >> > users (up to 5) running the app with TS. Am very new to
>> >> > TS.
>> >> >
>> >> > Right now I have 2 XP Home computers to use for this
>> >> > testing. As I understand it, XP home does not have TS
>> >> > capabiltiy. I believe I need to upgrade one computer to
>> >> > XP Pro to do this testing. Correct?
>> >> >
>> >> > If I do so, I believe this will allow up to 5 remote
>> >> > concurrent users (before I would need additional licenses)
>> >> > running the app on the upgraded XP Pro computer. Correct?
>> >> >
>> >> > I may run this app either over the Internet or on a LAN or
>> >> > WAN. If I run over the internet, can I test this using my
>> >> > other comptuer under XP Home and my Internet Explorer
>> >> > browser, or would I need something additional on the
>> >> > remote machine?
>> >> >
>> >> > If I run over a LAN or WAN, would I need XP Pro on the
>> >> > machines needing to access the app?
>> >> >
>> >> > Many thanks for your help on this,
>> >> > Mark
 
Re: Remote running of VB app using TS

I've no idea what's included in XP. As mentioned, XP is a useless
platform for your tests.
The web components of TS are a part of every Windows Server 2003
(optional component of IIS). No extra costs involved.
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
15 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Vera,
>
> Did some more checking and I see that TS is part of Server2003,
> so I guess there is no way to do testing except to get the trial
> of Server2003.
>
> For the next web stage of test, am I correct that IIS comes with
> XP Pro and is tsWeb you mentioned already included in Server2003
> or is that another cost for me?
>
> Thanks again,
> Mark
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Yes, multi-user access requires a server OS. I would strongly
>> suggest running your tests on a system that is sufficiently
>> similar to the production system to abe of any value at all. So
>> by all means, install 2003 TS.
>> And I think your first goal should be to test if your
>> application can run on a Terminal Server. Period. Make sure
>> that you perform all tests with a normal user account, not an
>> Administrator account.
>>
>> If you want to access your Terminal Server with Internet
>> explorer, you will also have to run IIS + the web components of
>> Terminal Services (tsweb). But I would start accessing the TS
>> with the standard remote desktop client.
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>
>> =?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>> on 14 sep 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>> > Vera,
>> >
>> > Thanks. So I guess I need to install Server2003 on the
>> > computer to allow for multiuser access, is that correct?
>> >
>> > Sorry these questions are so basic. My ultimate goal is
>> > twofold - first to test wehether the app can run ok remotely
>> > over the Internet or over a LAN or WAN using TS even as
>> > single user. Second, what is the speed when running 5 users
>> > at a time. I need to know what I need to purchase to run the
>> > tests.
>> >
>> > The first goal is most important right now, and need to
>> > configure my hardware/OS to allow me to run tests using TS
>> > even if it is as a single user.
>> >
>> >
>> > Many thanks,
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >> I'm sorry, but your planned test environment is not going to
>> >> work. XP pro can only run one single user session at a time,
>> >> either at the console or through a remote connection. After
>> >> all, it's a single user OS.
>> >>
>> >> _________________________________________________________
>> >> Vera Noest
>> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>> >>
>> >> =?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> >> wrote on 14 sep 2007 in
>> >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>> >>
>> >> > I need to test out a VB app running on TS. I would like
>> >> > to see what kind of speed I can get for multiple remote
>> >> > users (up to 5) running the app with TS. Am very new to
>> >> > TS.
>> >> >
>> >> > Right now I have 2 XP Home computers to use for this
>> >> > testing. As I understand it, XP home does not have TS
>> >> > capabiltiy. I believe I need to upgrade one computer to
>> >> > XP Pro to do this testing. Correct?
>> >> >
>> >> > If I do so, I believe this will allow up to 5 remote
>> >> > concurrent users (before I would need additional licenses)
>> >> > running the app on the upgraded XP Pro computer. Correct?
>> >> >
>> >> > I may run this app either over the Internet or on a LAN or
>> >> > WAN. If I run over the internet, can I test this using my
>> >> > other comptuer under XP Home and my Internet Explorer
>> >> > browser, or would I need something additional on the
>> >> > remote machine?
>> >> >
>> >> > If I run over a LAN or WAN, would I need XP Pro on the
>> >> > machines needing to access the app?
>> >> >
>> >> > Many thanks for your help on this,
>> >> > Mark
 
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