Dead Disk 0 in 2003 mirror

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Hello,
I have a blade with 2 disks that were software mirrored. Disk 0 failed,
dead, it has been replaced but I could not boot from either disk, no matter
what boot.ini modifications I made. Finally I reinstalled Windows 2003 Server
on Disk 0, booted, modifyed the boot.ini and rebooted from Disk 1 (former
mirror). Now I want to recreate the mirror but I cannot do so because I
cannot empty Disk 0 as the Blade boots from Disk 0. My question now is:
If I change the boot.ini file on Disk 1 to boot from Disk 1 and I change the
BIOS settings so that the first boot device is Disk 1, will it boot, so that
I can empty Disk 0 and recreate the mirror to the replaced Disk 0. I ask
because I cannot test if this will work as the balde works as our webserver
and is critical to bussiness. Has been down for 1 1/2 days till we got the
dead Disk 0 replaced and cannot have the downtime for more time then needed
to recreate the mirror.
 
Re: Dead Disk 0 in 2003 mirror


"lasangne" <lasangne@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6895B930-995F-49BF-BB58-75AFF793DFF6@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
> I have a blade with 2 disks that were software mirrored. Disk 0 failed,
> dead, it has been replaced but I could not boot from either disk, no
> matter
> what boot.ini modifications I made. Finally I reinstalled Windows 2003
> Server
> on Disk 0, booted, modifyed the boot.ini and rebooted from Disk 1 (former
> mirror). Now I want to recreate the mirror but I cannot do so because I
> cannot empty Disk 0 as the Blade boots from Disk 0. My question now is:
> If I change the boot.ini file on Disk 1 to boot from Disk 1 and I change
> the
> BIOS settings so that the first boot device is Disk 1, will it boot, so
> that
> I can empty Disk 0 and recreate the mirror to the replaced Disk 0. I ask
> because I cannot test if this will work as the balde works as our
> webserver
> and is critical to bussiness. Has been down for 1 1/2 days till we got the
> dead Disk 0 replaced and cannot have the downtime for more time then
> needed
> to recreate the mirror.


Have a look here about booting from a broken mirror:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;113977
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/167045/EN-US/

About your specific question: You are the best person to answer
it. Simply create a boot diskette, making sure to have lots of
menu lines in it like so:

[boot loader]
timeout=5
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="1 Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="2 Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="3 Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="4 Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="5 Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="6 Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

Now try them all, one after the other, and change your master/
slave settings too. The whole test should take less than ten minutes.
 
Re: Dead Disk 0 in 2003 mirror

At this stage I would look at changing this to a hardware RAID

"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:

>
> "lasangne" <lasangne@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6895B930-995F-49BF-BB58-75AFF793DFF6@microsoft.com...
> > Hello,
> > I have a blade with 2 disks that were software mirrored. Disk 0 failed,
> > dead, it has been replaced but I could not boot from either disk, no
> > matter
> > what boot.ini modifications I made. Finally I reinstalled Windows 2003
> > Server
> > on Disk 0, booted, modifyed the boot.ini and rebooted from Disk 1 (former
> > mirror). Now I want to recreate the mirror but I cannot do so because I
> > cannot empty Disk 0 as the Blade boots from Disk 0. My question now is:
> > If I change the boot.ini file on Disk 1 to boot from Disk 1 and I change
> > the
> > BIOS settings so that the first boot device is Disk 1, will it boot, so
> > that
> > I can empty Disk 0 and recreate the mirror to the replaced Disk 0. I ask
> > because I cannot test if this will work as the balde works as our
> > webserver
> > and is critical to bussiness. Has been down for 1 1/2 days till we got the
> > dead Disk 0 replaced and cannot have the downtime for more time then
> > needed
> > to recreate the mirror.

>
> Have a look here about booting from a broken mirror:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;113977
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/167045/EN-US/
>
> About your specific question: You are the best person to answer
> it. Simply create a boot diskette, making sure to have lots of
> menu lines in it like so:
>
> [boot loader]
> timeout=5
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="1 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="2 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="3 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="4 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="5 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="6 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>
> Now try them all, one after the other, and change your master/
> slave settings too. The whole test should take less than ten minutes.
>
>
>
 
Re: Dead Disk 0 in 2003 mirror

Johan,

I would love to but the boss got this blade cheap and does not want to
invest in a more expensive blade with hardware mirroring.

"Johan Strange" wrote:

> At this stage I would look at changing this to a hardware RAID
>
 
Re: Dead Disk 0 in 2003 mirror

Hi Pegasus,

I have 2 problems, 1) Blade is colocated 2) there is no floppy disk available.
But your link http://support.microsoft.com/kb/167045/EN-US/ does give me a
couple of handles I can try. In Disk Manager it says about Disk 0 (where I
changed the boot.ini to boot to Disk 1) Failed System and it says about Disk
1 Healthy Boot. Both disks are Dynamic disks. But what I asked about changing
the Bios to Boot to the secondary Disk 1 and changing the boot.ini on Disk 1
(original half of the mirror) to boot to Disk 1 will tht work? I have
permission to try and fix it this weekend with a 1 hour window that the
Server may be offline, so I need to know if it will work.
this is a copy of the boot.ini on Disk 0 and what I will use on Disk 1:

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Boot Mirror C: - secondary plex"
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003, Standard"
/fastdetect /NoExecute=OptOut

Thanks for your time and help,

Lasangne

"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:

>
> Have a look here about booting from a broken mirror:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;113977
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/167045/EN-US/
>
> About your specific question: You are the best person to answer
> it. Simply create a boot diskette, making sure to have lots of
> menu lines in it like so:
>
> [boot loader]
> timeout=5
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="1 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="2 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="3 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="4 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="5 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="6 Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>
> Now try them all, one after the other, and change your master/
> slave settings too. The whole test should take less than ten minutes.
>
>
>
 
Re: Dead Disk 0 in 2003 mirror

What do you mean with "Blade is co-located"?

If you read the links I quoted in my first reply then you will
see that booting off the second half of a mirror may or may
not work. It depends on a number of conditions. I tried it
myself a few days ago with an SBS installation. It worked
even though the disks were quite different. I have also seen
installations where it did not work.

In view of the extremely tight constraints you have to work
under, you must be very well prepared. Here is what I would
do before the weekend:
- Get a couple of IDE disks.
- Install them in some PC.
- Install Server 2003 on this PC.
- Convert the disks to dynamic, then create a mirror.
- See if you can boot from either of the disks.

Not having a floppy disk drive in the server is no excuse at
all. Be a little versatile - you have two ways to get around
the problem:
a) Temporarily connect a spare FDD to the server.
b) Create a bootable CD instead of a bootable floppy disk.

Again it is essential that you test this technique well before
the weekend. You simply won't have the time to muck
around and burn bootable CDs!

If I was in your position then I would negotiate for a longer
outage. You should also do your homework for future
occasions. The following thoughts come to the mind:

- Since your downtimes are so limited, you must spend
some time to go through a number of disaster scenarios
in your mind. What would you do if you had some severe
file system corruption? A motherboard failure? A Windows
malfunction?

- When you have your disaster recovery plan, you must
test it. What's the good of having mirrored disks if you
have never dealt with a failed disk?

- A disk mirror appears to be grossly inadequate for
your situation. A hot-swappable RAID array seems
compulsory in your case. Again you must test it.


"lasangne" <lasangne@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:793B997D-5B86-48AF-97E7-4A0749C88518@microsoft.com...
> Hi Pegasus,
>
> I have 2 problems, 1) Blade is colocated 2) there is no floppy disk
> available.
> But your link http://support.microsoft.com/kb/167045/EN-US/ does give me a
> couple of handles I can try. In Disk Manager it says about Disk 0 (where I
> changed the boot.ini to boot to Disk 1) Failed System and it says about
> Disk
> 1 Healthy Boot. Both disks are Dynamic disks. But what I asked about
> changing
> the Bios to Boot to the secondary Disk 1 and changing the boot.ini on Disk
> 1
> (original half of the mirror) to boot to Disk 1 will tht work? I have
> permission to try and fix it this weekend with a 1 hour window that the
> Server may be offline, so I need to know if it will work.
> this is a copy of the boot.ini on Disk 0 and what I will use on Disk 1:
>
> [boot loader]
> timeout=30
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Boot Mirror C: - secondary
> plex"
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003,
> Standard"
> /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptOut
>
> Thanks for your time and help,
>
> Lasangne
>
> "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
>
>>
>> Have a look here about booting from a broken mirror:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;113977
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/167045/EN-US/
>>
>> About your specific question: You are the best person to answer
>> it. Simply create a boot diskette, making sure to have lots of
>> menu lines in it like so:
>>
>> [boot loader]
>> timeout=5
>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
>> [operating systems]
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="1 Microsoft Windows XP
>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="2 Microsoft Windows XP
>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="3 Microsoft Windows XP
>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="4 Microsoft Windows XP
>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="5 Microsoft Windows XP
>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="6 Microsoft Windows XP
>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>>
>> Now try them all, one after the other, and change your master/
>> slave settings too. The whole test should take less than ten minutes.
>>
>>
>>
 
Re: Dead Disk 0 in 2003 mirror

Hi Pegasus,

Colocated means Blade is rented from a Hosting company, so it is not in our
building. And thanks for your input, I will test what you say and demand for
more time. I will also do my best to get the company to invest in a more
expensive blade with hardware mirroring. Thank you all for your comments and
help, will let you know what happens, positive or negative.

"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:

> What do you mean with "Blade is co-located"?
>
> If you read the links I quoted in my first reply then you will
> see that booting off the second half of a mirror may or may
> not work. It depends on a number of conditions. I tried it
> myself a few days ago with an SBS installation. It worked
> even though the disks were quite different. I have also seen
> installations where it did not work.
>
> In view of the extremely tight constraints you have to work
> under, you must be very well prepared. Here is what I would
> do before the weekend:
> - Get a couple of IDE disks.
> - Install them in some PC.
> - Install Server 2003 on this PC.
> - Convert the disks to dynamic, then create a mirror.
> - See if you can boot from either of the disks.
>
> Not having a floppy disk drive in the server is no excuse at
> all. Be a little versatile - you have two ways to get around
> the problem:
> a) Temporarily connect a spare FDD to the server.
> b) Create a bootable CD instead of a bootable floppy disk.
>
> Again it is essential that you test this technique well before
> the weekend. You simply won't have the time to muck
> around and burn bootable CDs!
>
> If I was in your position then I would negotiate for a longer
> outage. You should also do your homework for future
> occasions. The following thoughts come to the mind:
>
> - Since your downtimes are so limited, you must spend
> some time to go through a number of disaster scenarios
> in your mind. What would you do if you had some severe
> file system corruption? A motherboard failure? A Windows
> malfunction?
>
> - When you have your disaster recovery plan, you must
> test it. What's the good of having mirrored disks if you
> have never dealt with a failed disk?
>
> - A disk mirror appears to be grossly inadequate for
> your situation. A hot-swappable RAID array seems
> compulsory in your case. Again you must test it.
 
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