Intrigued

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Hi everybody

Sorry to bother you all with this, it's not really a problem more of a
query.

I run 98SE as my main os, well the turbo-charged version, patched
with the unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE->ME. If anybody here's not
tried it you should, it hums!

Anyway I digress, even with the superpatch there are various gaming
sites that still won't work, I think it's that bloody bloatware Flash
Player crap that so many think they need to use these days.

So what I've had to do is dual boot with win2k, and everything is
working just dandy. However this is where the query arises, I've got
a copy of Opera on both partitions and they seem to be linking
somehow.

What's happening is, say that for instance I'm in 98 then I shut down
and reboot into 2k the same condition that I left Opera in when I left
98 reappear when I'm in 2k and vice versa.

It's like having just one copy of Opera that's working on both
partitions instead of having two separate copies working
independently.

As I say, it's not really a problem but I am intrigued as to what's
going on, anybody know?

TIA

Best regards

Tony
 
Re: Intrigued

Do you have Opera installed twice in two separate partitions, one for each OS; or do
you have one Opera installation location sharing the program files and .ini files?

If you have one installation, such as on a Programs partition, you may be able to
adapt the info here to crates separate profiles for each OS:
http://operawiki.info/OperaProfiles
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
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http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Tony Yarwood" <Tony.Yarwood@XXXclara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4f7ff3lobromqo7ufdu3jb905n0jcpm1co@4ax.com...
> Hi everybody
>
> Sorry to bother you all with this, it's not really a problem more of a
> query.
>
> I run 98SE as my main os, well the turbo-charged version, patched
> with the unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE->ME. If anybody here's not
> tried it you should, it hums!
>
> Anyway I digress, even with the superpatch there are various gaming
> sites that still won't work, I think it's that bloody bloatware Flash
> Player crap that so many think they need to use these days.
>
> So what I've had to do is dual boot with win2k, and everything is
> working just dandy. However this is where the query arises, I've got
> a copy of Opera on both partitions and they seem to be linking
> somehow.
>
> What's happening is, say that for instance I'm in 98 then I shut down
> and reboot into 2k the same condition that I left Opera in when I left
> 98 reappear when I'm in 2k and vice versa.
>
> It's like having just one copy of Opera that's working on both
> partitions instead of having two separate copies working
> independently.
>
> As I say, it's not really a problem but I am intrigued as to what's
> going on, anybody know?
>
> TIA
>
> Best regards
>
> Tony
 
Re: Intrigued

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:13:24 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
wrote:

Hi Glen

>Do you have Opera installed twice in two separate partitions, one for each OS;

Yes, two installations.

>or do you have one Opera installation location sharing the program files and .ini files?

No
>
>If you have one installation, such as on a Programs partition, you may be able to
>adapt the info here to crates separate profiles for each OS:
>http://operawiki.info/OperaProfiles

Looks like an interesting read, let you know more when I've read it.

Best regards

Tony
 
Re: Intrigued

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:13:24 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
wrote:

>Do you have Opera installed twice in two separate partitions, one for each OS; or do
>you have one Opera installation location sharing the program files and .ini files?
>
>If you have one installation, such as on a Programs partition, you may be able to
>adapt the info here to crates separate profiles for each OS:
>http://operawiki.info/OperaProfiles

Hi again Glen

Many thanks again for that link, it's sorta becoming clearer now. I
didn't install clean to each partition, just copied the whole
directory over, (so as to keep my bookmarks etc.).

That's where all the confusion has arisen, because of the profiles.
Still don't understand how they read across partitions tho :)

Anyway one of the guys who commented on that article had the right
solution, just reinstall and call it Opera2.

Many thanks for your time and trouble.

Best regards

Tony
 
Re: Intrigued

Tony, Glen Ventura

I've been running Win 98SE, SP1 with all updates for many years. It seems
to get slower every year. I currently have no problems with it other than
the slowness. I keep it spyware-free and safe by using all the regular
stuff (Ad-Aware, SpywareBlaster, ZA, Host file, Avast!, etc.).

Tony, you said,

"I run 98SE as my main os, well the turbo-charged version, patched
with the unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE->ME. If anybody here's not
tried it you should, it hums!"

My question:

Would the gain in performance, speed, appearance, etc. by going to
unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE>ME be worth the effort/ risk? If I did go
that route and ran into trouble, could I recover by doing the scanreg
/restore thing in MS-DOS, assuming I could get it to boot?

Bobster
 
Re: Intrigued

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:50:17 -0700, "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net>
wrote:
>
>My question:
>
>Would the gain in performance, speed, appearance, etc. by going to
>unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE>ME be worth the effort/ risk? If I did go
>that route and ran into trouble, could I recover by doing the scanreg
>/restore thing in MS-DOS, assuming I could get it to boot?
>
>Bobster

Hi Bobster

The thing I've always loved about 98, well it goes back to my old 3.1x
days, is the way you can back up the whole windows directory and then
when it slows down, gets a bit corrupted or you add something you
don't like or something else tries to screw things up, you just dump
the whole directory by jumping into DOS.

I generally start with a pristine install, all your apps, everything
just the way you like it, then back that windows directory up, I
usually save it on another partition. Hey voila, that backup can last
for years, I find I generally dump my windows.. well it can depend..
but every three or four months, that sort of thing.

Anyway HTH

Best Regards

Tony
 
Re: Intrigued

Any backup, including your type, is made obsolete the minute you install or
uninstall most any app. Most installations write to the Registry, and many
place files in the System directory. Revert to an older Windows directory
and that installation is broken.

As for your dual boot -- may I suggest that you hide the system partitions
from each other? Lots of reasons to do so that are similar to the one you
encountered. In fact, I'm betting that the partitions being able to see each
other is at the root of yours.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Tony Yarwood" <Tony.Yarwood@XXXclara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:50:17 -0700, "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>My question:
>>
>>Would the gain in performance, speed, appearance, etc. by going to
>>unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE>ME be worth the effort/ risk? If I did go
>>that route and ran into trouble, could I recover by doing the scanreg
>>/restore thing in MS-DOS, assuming I could get it to boot?
>>
>>Bobster
>
> Hi Bobster
>
> The thing I've always loved about 98, well it goes back to my old 3.1x
> days, is the way you can back up the whole windows directory and then
> when it slows down, gets a bit corrupted or you add something you
> don't like or something else tries to screw things up, you just dump
> the whole directory by jumping into DOS.
>
> I generally start with a pristine install, all your apps, everything
> just the way you like it, then back that windows directory up, I
> usually save it on another partition. Hey voila, that backup can last
> for years, I find I generally dump my windows.. well it can depend..
> but every three or four months, that sort of thing.
>
> Anyway HTH
>
> Best Regards
>
> Tony
>
>
 
Re: Intrigued

Yes, bobster is back in the 98 general newsgroup. It has been a while
since I have seen you post, bobster. Anyway, if you dual-boot then it is
critical that you hide the operating systems from each other. That is where
I got into trouble when I did not do enough research and installed VPN
(Virtual Private Networking) and ran into problems because the 2 operating
systems started communicating with each other when they had not done so
before. It was completely my fault for not reading the full information
about VPN.

Anyway, I would stick with Mozilla Firefox because it is fast becoming
the standard and patched more often than I.E. and has 256 bit cipher strength
back to Windows 98 on websites that support it. I did not like Opera and
although it does not have any security vulnerabilities according to
secunia.com, it had too many features that bugged me so I tried it out but do
not use it anymore. I am very thankful to this group and especially MVP's
like Gary S. Terhune, Chris Quirke, Alan Edwards and others such as PCR that
have taught me so much about Windows and PC's in general. I know I am not
mentioning many others like Ron who have been so helpful as well and please
do not take offense if I have failed to mention your name because your
support is appreciated as well.
 
Re: Intrigued

Hi Tony, I still use my old IBM 486 with Windows 3.1 and DOS 5 on it for my
old games. It is a great PC that still runs well and great to play my old
games on with my Roland MT-32 music card. My first computer which is an IBM
PCjr still runs and is located in storage back east in New York City. I
currenty live in the Southwest. Have a nice rest of the week and hopefully
your computer is up and running well again soon.
 
Re: Intrigued

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:15:27 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

Hi Gary

>Any backup, including your type, is made obsolete the minute you install or
>uninstall most any app. Most installations write to the Registry, and many
>place files in the System directory. Revert to an older Windows directory
>and that installation is broken.

Yes - but that's the beauty of it, when you install an app you don't
like.. by then reverting to your old backup you get your old registry
back and your system files.

When you install something you like and that you want to keep, you
just re-back up again.

>
>As for your dual boot -- may I suggest that you hide the system partitions
>from each other? Lots of reasons to do so that are similar to the one you
>encountered. In fact, I'm betting that the partitions being able to see each
>other is at the root of yours.

Now there's a good idea.

Best regards

Tony
 
Re: Intrigued

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:06:18 +0100, Tony Yarwood
<Tony.Yarwood@XXXblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:15:27 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>
Hi again Gary
>
>>Any backup, including your type, is made obsolete the minute you install or
>>uninstall most any app. Most installations write to the Registry, and many
>>place files in the System directory. Revert to an older Windows directory
>>and that installation is broken.
>
>Yes - but that's the beauty of it, when you install an app you don't
>like.. by then reverting to your old backup you get your old registry
>back and your system files.
>
>When you install something you like and that you want to keep, you
>just re-back up again.
>
Just to clarify a bit more on this subject - it's not like I'm
installing and un-installing apps all the time. I've got the apps
that I like and trust and it's not too often that I come across
something I want to keep.

Happened this week tho :) came across Foxit Reader 2.1 in another
thread, take a week or two and then I'll know whether I want to keep
it permanently.

>>As for your dual boot -- may I suggest that you hide the system partitions
>>from each other? Lots of reasons to do so that are similar to the one you
>>encountered. In fact, I'm betting that the partitions being able to see each
>>other is at the root of yours.
>
>Now there's a good idea.

What would be the best way to go about this?

I do own a copy of Acronis.

Best regards

Tony
 
Re: Intrigued

You hide partitions using a boot manager with that ability. I use BootIt NG.
www.bootitng.com

As for the other, I was brought to attention by your claim that you have
backups that are very old. Can't see what use they'd be other than for
archiving.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Tony Yarwood" <Tony.Yarwood@XXXblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:06:18 +0100, Tony Yarwood
> <Tony.Yarwood@XXXblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:15:27 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>>
> Hi again Gary
>>
>>>Any backup, including your type, is made obsolete the minute you install
>>>or
>>>uninstall most any app. Most installations write to the Registry, and
>>>many
>>>place files in the System directory. Revert to an older Windows directory
>>>and that installation is broken.
>>
>>Yes - but that's the beauty of it, when you install an app you don't
>>like.. by then reverting to your old backup you get your old registry
>>back and your system files.
>>
>>When you install something you like and that you want to keep, you
>>just re-back up again.
>>
> Just to clarify a bit more on this subject - it's not like I'm
> installing and un-installing apps all the time. I've got the apps
> that I like and trust and it's not too often that I come across
> something I want to keep.
>
> Happened this week tho :) came across Foxit Reader 2.1 in another
> thread, take a week or two and then I'll know whether I want to keep
> it permanently.
>
>>>As for your dual boot -- may I suggest that you hide the system
>>>partitions
>>>from each other? Lots of reasons to do so that are similar to the one you
>>>encountered. In fact, I'm betting that the partitions being able to see
>>>each
>>>other is at the root of yours.
>>
>>Now there's a good idea.
>
> What would be the best way to go about this?
>
> I do own a copy of Acronis.
>
> Best regards
>
> Tony
 
Re: Intrigued

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:50:42 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

Hi Gary

>You hide partitions using a boot manager with that ability. I use BootIt NG.
>www.bootitng.com

Thanks for that, I like the fact that they include imaging. I've got
Acronis and a spare h/d so I might give that a whirl first.
>
>As for the other, I was brought to attention by your claim that you have
>backups that are very old. Can't see what use they'd be other than for
>archiving.

I'm not saying my method is any better or worse than any other,
obviously disc imaging is far superior in that it allows you to take
the image to different hardware, whereas the way I do it each m/c
needs its own backup.

I've usually three or four m/c's at home and as I said before it's not
as if I'm experimenting everyday with different apps. Even when I do
try something new it's on one m/c first.

Looking at my desktop now the newest arrival is Thunderbird which I've
had for about 3 years. That's apart from Axcel's 98->Me thingy of
course.

In the 12 or so years that I've done it this way I can honestly say
that I've never had a m/c out of action for more than about 5 mins,
(apart from hardware failures of course).

Best regards

Tony
 
Re: Intrigued

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:10:08 -0700, Dan
<Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Hi Tony, I still use my old IBM 486 with Windows 3.1 and DOS 5 on it for my
>old games. It is a great PC that still runs well and great to play my old
>games on with my Roland MT-32 music card. My first computer which is an IBM
>PCjr still runs and is located in storage back east in New York City. I
>currenty live in the Southwest. Have a nice rest of the week and hopefully
>your computer is up and running well again soon.

Hi Dan

Yeah I've still got a 3.1x box as well, not fired it up in a while
unfortunately, the wife chucked out my spare monitor, said it was
cluttering up the place :(

Funny enough only a couple of days ago I got some mail from the old
Calmira forum, did you ever use the Calmira shell with 3.1? It was a
great addition.

Seems the old forum is pretty much dead, most folk moved on, a lot
into Linux it seems.

Best regards

Tony
 
Re: Intrigued

No, I have never even heard of Calmira and now have to see if I can Google
for it to find out more information.
 
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