At work they do a large project in Progress, which is a large Database application (comparable to Oracle and SQL Server) with a comprehensive programming language attached.
They took me in as a VB6/VB.net programmer and for the last two days Ive been learning Progress.
Progress itself is very easy. The IDE could be nicer, but the language isnt hard at all. 2 days in and Id say I could do 70% of a business application off the top of my head or looking up syntax.
Progress also allows "Include" files and my new company uses them extensively. This is a bit of a problem.
Progress uses Includes like PHP does, basically where the line of code is pointing to the file, on runtime the contents of that file are dumped onto the virtual page of source code.
Now that doesnt sound bad, does it?
Well you can nest Includes... one include might have 0 or more... Ive seen up to 5 includes within an include. I looked at one of those includes and they also had an include more than one more include...
You can see where this is going.
Actually I could see a bunch of includes working rather well if they were documented properly... or at all.
You see, when I mentioned documentation standards with the manager he kinda got nervious and mumbled something like "we have a basic block of information at the head of each file and then comments throughout the code"
Now there is a header on everything. Sometimes its filled out with the procedure name!
For the most part, its not. No programmer name, no updates, no description. I assume the date is automatically inserted because its there on all the procedures.
So within the code, there might be a line of description saying something inane like "Report formatting variables" then continuations to the gibberish.
Coding standards of any sort arnt followed and you cant start following them because often standard declarations are within an Include file if you change the Include file, youll break dozens to hundreds of procedures.
So the variables are a combination of what is within the Includes and what the programmer chooses. Many names are equally inane like "v-bal, v-tot & g-tot". These three variables were all decimal values and three levels of totals for a report. g-tot is Grand Total. I have no clue what v in the other two stand for.
These type of variable names are the norm, they make a little bit of sense if you know exactly what the subject is and what the thought process of the programmer was. Pretty easy for simple straight forward projects.
When youre working on a report dealing with two different kinds of accounting and printing out matrixes to a form, then using MOD to determine if the printout will flow over to another page to the right - and printing out multiple of these matrices in a run - its not straight forward in the least.
I actually got excited when I saw a comment group in the middle of the (500 line) file, but it was just a block of code commented out and never deleted.
Im not quite sure *why* there is one array declared with a length of 20 in there...
Happy happy fun.
But its my first real programming job where Im on salary. I should be able to get some good experience out of this. And they were mentioning that they might have some VB.Net applications over the summer
They took me in as a VB6/VB.net programmer and for the last two days Ive been learning Progress.
Progress itself is very easy. The IDE could be nicer, but the language isnt hard at all. 2 days in and Id say I could do 70% of a business application off the top of my head or looking up syntax.
Progress also allows "Include" files and my new company uses them extensively. This is a bit of a problem.
Progress uses Includes like PHP does, basically where the line of code is pointing to the file, on runtime the contents of that file are dumped onto the virtual page of source code.
Now that doesnt sound bad, does it?
Well you can nest Includes... one include might have 0 or more... Ive seen up to 5 includes within an include. I looked at one of those includes and they also had an include more than one more include...
You can see where this is going.
Actually I could see a bunch of includes working rather well if they were documented properly... or at all.
You see, when I mentioned documentation standards with the manager he kinda got nervious and mumbled something like "we have a basic block of information at the head of each file and then comments throughout the code"
Now there is a header on everything. Sometimes its filled out with the procedure name!
For the most part, its not. No programmer name, no updates, no description. I assume the date is automatically inserted because its there on all the procedures.So within the code, there might be a line of description saying something inane like "Report formatting variables" then continuations to the gibberish.
Coding standards of any sort arnt followed and you cant start following them because often standard declarations are within an Include file
if you change the Include file, youll break dozens to hundreds of procedures. So the variables are a combination of what is within the Includes and what the programmer chooses. Many names are equally inane like "v-bal, v-tot & g-tot". These three variables were all decimal values and three levels of totals for a report. g-tot is Grand Total. I have no clue what v in the other two stand for.
These type of variable names are the norm, they make a little bit of sense if you know exactly what the subject is and what the thought process of the programmer was. Pretty easy for simple straight forward projects.
When youre working on a report dealing with two different kinds of accounting and printing out matrixes to a form, then using MOD to determine if the printout will flow over to another page to the right - and printing out multiple of these matrices in a run - its not straight forward in the least.
I actually got excited when I saw a comment group in the middle of the (500 line) file, but it was just a block of code commented out and never deleted.
Im not quite sure *why* there is one array declared with a length of 20 in there...
Happy happy fun.
But its my first real programming job where Im on salary. I should be able to get some good experience out of this. And they were mentioning that they might have some VB.Net applications over the summer
. Not to put you off too much but in most places that kind of standard is typical.