installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

[Roxana]

Anyone have experience with:

Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a multi-partitioned
hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?

Is this possible?

What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?
Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using one of
these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?

Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.

Roxana

 

[Brian A.]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message
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> Anyone have experience with:
>
> Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a multi-partitioned
> hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?

Yes, but the PC's components must be up to date compatable for it to be successful.

>
> Is this possible?

Yes.

>
> What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?
> Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using one of
> these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?

If in your question you are asking about "Virtual Machines", they do work when
installed in a enviroment that is compatable. A "VM" is not an operating syatem, it
is a virtual environment in which you can install multiple OS's. The number of OS's
installed is limited to the available disk space of which the VM is installed on.

>
> Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.


--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

 

[Jeff Richards]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

To have more than one OS on a drive and select between them at startup, you
need a boot manager. They definitely work and are very effective for that
particular job. See a description here:
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/

Creating a Virtual Machine and installing a different operating system into
it is also quite effective - the choice depends on your needs. There's a
description here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

The MS virtual machine won't work in W98, so you would need to install XP or
Vista, then create a virtual machine to install W98 in. You can't simply
shift an existing installation of W98 into a virtual machine.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message
news:%23y4rxjUBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Anyone have experience with:
>
> Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a multi-partitioned
> hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?
>
> Is this possible?
>
> What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?
> Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using one
> of
> these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?
>
> Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.
>
> Roxana
>
>

 

[Roxana]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system


"Brian A." wrote in message news:OMwfW8XBIHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "Roxana" wrote in message
> > Anyone have experience with:
> >
> > Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a multi-partitioned
> > hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?
>
> Yes, but the PC's components must be up to date compatable for it to be
successful.

I assume that things are already compatible, as I dual boot XP as it is (on
another hard disk). Just wondering if it's better - or not better - to have
the two OS' on one drive (separate volumes, of course) as opposed to two
different ones.
> >
> > Is this possible?
>
> Yes.

Okie-Dokie.
> >
> > What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?
> > Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using
one of
> > these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?
>
> If in your question you are asking about "Virtual Machines", they do
work when
> installed in a enviroment that is compatable. A "VM" is not an operating
syatem, it
> is a virtual environment in which you can install multiple OS's. The
number of OS's
> installed is limited to the available disk space of which the VM is
installed on.

Does that mean that in these "VM's", one can have two 'un-separated'
opeating systems using the same VM, same volume (say 100 GB for example) ?
Hoping I worded that properly....

I may be absent for a day or two as some guests are due at my home. I will
return. And, thank you very much.

Roxana
>
> >
> > Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.
>
>
> --
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>

 

[Roxana]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

Thanks for your speedy reply.

Yes, I have a Boot Manager already. (dual booting 98se/XP on two separate
hard disks).

I've replied to Brian S, above. Therein I asked if its advantageous or not
advantageous to have both OS' on the same hard disk, but obviously, in 2
separate volumes. (as opposed to employing some VM)

"Creating a Virtual Machine and installing different OS'..." . Oh... it
depends on my needs. hehe I guess I'm just wondering if there's any
advantage or real purpose to having a VM if one has two separate OS'
already.

But, I see that *if* I wanted/needed one, it'd have to be the other way
around.
i.e. - WinXP would become Primary and W98se, secondary. I'd have to
*install*, and not copy the w98se OS into the VM, which I'd fist install
into the WinXP Drive/Volume. Is that right ?

I'll look at the MS VM link you provided. Thanks.

I may be away for a day or two. Friends are due for a visit to my home.
I will return. Thanks again.

Roxana

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:OXCxxsZBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> To have more than one OS on a drive and select between them at startup,
you
> need a boot manager. They definitely work and are very effective for that
> particular job. See a description here:
> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/
>
> Creating a Virtual Machine and installing a different operating system
into
> it is also quite effective - the choice depends on your needs. There's a
> description here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx
>
> The MS virtual machine won't work in W98, so you would need to install XP
or
> Vista, then create a virtual machine to install W98 in. You can't simply
> shift an existing installation of W98 into a virtual machine.
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message
> news:%23y4rxjUBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > Anyone have experience with:
> >
> > Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a multi-partitioned
> > hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?
> >
> > Is this possible?
> >
> > What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?
> > Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using
one
> > of
> > these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?
> >
> > Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.
> >
> > Roxana
> >
> >
>
>

 

[Jeff Richards]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

With a dual boot setup only one OS is operating at any one time, so I can't
think of any reason that having two partitions on one disk would be any
better or worse than having two disks.

The reason that the choice depends on your needs is that the two options
provide very different functionality.

By dual booting, you simply choose whether you want to run this or that.
When you change your mind you shut down one and start the other.

By using a VM to install a second OS, you are committed to always booting
one OS (say, XP) and having that run all the time. Then, when needed, you
boot W98 as a VM, and switch between the two as required. Then exit W98,
terminate the VM, and continue to use XP until you shut down.

For instance, someone providing technical support for a mixture of users
would definitely go for the VM arrangement, as they can have XP running for
normal support and housekeeping, and start the W98 system as needed if a W98
user calls in. OTOH, a serious gamer only starts the machine to play a
particular game, and wouldn't want any part of the system being used by an
OS they don't need at the moment. So dual booting would be the sensible
choice for them.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message
news:OOA9R3hBIHA.5196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for your speedy reply.
>
> Yes, I have a Boot Manager already. (dual booting 98se/XP on two separate
> hard disks).
>
> I've replied to Brian S, above. Therein I asked if its advantageous or not
> advantageous to have both OS' on the same hard disk, but obviously, in 2
> separate volumes. (as opposed to employing some VM)
>
> "Creating a Virtual Machine and installing different OS'..." . Oh... it
> depends on my needs. hehe I guess I'm just wondering if there's any
> advantage or real purpose to having a VM if one has two separate OS'
> already.
>
> But, I see that *if* I wanted/needed one, it'd have to be the other way
> around.
> i.e. - WinXP would become Primary and W98se, secondary. I'd have to
> *install*, and not copy the w98se OS into the VM, which I'd fist install
> into the WinXP Drive/Volume. Is that right ?
>
> I'll look at the MS VM link you provided. Thanks.
>
> I may be away for a day or two. Friends are due for a visit to my home.
> I will return. Thanks again.
>
> Roxana
>
> "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
> news:OXCxxsZBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> To have more than one OS on a drive and select between them at startup,
> you
>> need a boot manager. They definitely work and are very effective for that
>> particular job. See a description here:
>> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/
>>
>> Creating a Virtual Machine and installing a different operating system
> into
>> it is also quite effective - the choice depends on your needs. There's a
>> description here:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx
>>
>> The MS virtual machine won't work in W98, so you would need to install XP
> or
>> Vista, then create a virtual machine to install W98 in. You can't simply
>> shift an existing installation of W98 into a virtual machine.
>> --
>> Jeff Richards
>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>> "Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23y4rxjUBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> > Anyone have experience with:
>> >
>> > Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a
>> > multi-partitioned
>> > hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?
>> >
>> > Is this possible?
>> >
>> > What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?
>> > Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using
> one
>> > of
>> > these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?
>> >
>> > Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.
>> >
>> > Roxana
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Dan]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating syst

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating syst

I fall under the category of serious old school dos gamer. <LOL>
Roxana, I also have a dual-boot with 98 Second Edition and my other operating
system is XP Professional. I am planning on now buying BING because I tested
it once and it was great and many people here like it so I am now convinced.
In addition, I want to hide 98 Second Edition and XP Professional from each
to prevent problems between the 2 operating systems and as PCR can attest to
that was my big issue when I hooked up VPN (Virtual Private Networking) via
my home with permission from Ken Cole, Director of Technology at APS. I do
not want to mention his email again here and I was wrong to post it in the
first place.

If you want to know more about this or the Albuquerque Public Schools
then please email me at dewspace1975@hotmail.com. Please remove the space
and proper protections such as plain text and other safety protocals are in
place. I love getting the email phising scams such as the ones from Africa
that are false asking for money. A recent one I got was from the cia asking
for money but it was the cia.com. I wonder how so many people fall for these
email scams and so I don't trust email too much but then again I don't trust
telephones too much. I prefer writing and sending certified mail with a
return receipt when necessary and like face to face contact as needed. Thank
you and have a great week.

Dan Weiser
Educational Assistant at APS Elementary School

 

[Roxana]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

Hi again. I apologize for my absence.

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:OXrMQDnBIHA.324@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> With a dual boot setup only one OS is operating at any one time, so I
can't
> think of any reason that having two partitions on one disk would be any
> better or worse than having two disks.

OK. No diff as far as logic or 'safety' or any particular reason then ?
Great ! That makes that very easy.
>
> The reason that the choice depends on your needs is that the two options
> provide very different functionality.

So I see.
>
> By dual booting, you simply choose whether you want to run this or that.
> When you change your mind you shut down one and start the other.

Yes. Simple enough.
>
> By using a VM to install a second OS, you are committed to always booting
> one OS (say, XP) and having that run all the time. Then, when needed, you
> boot W98 as a VM, and switch between the two as required. Then exit W98,
> terminate the VM, and continue to use XP until you shut down.

Explained very clearly. Thank you.
>
> For instance, someone providing technical support for a mixture of users
> would definitely go for the VM arrangement, as they can have XP running
for
> normal support and housekeeping, and start the W98 system as needed if a
W98
> user calls in.

Perfectly logical reason and purpose. Since I have no call for such, its one
I don't need,. That's a relief.

OTOH, a serious gamer only starts the machine to play a
> particular game, and wouldn't want any part of the system being used by an
> OS they don't need at the moment. So dual booting would be the sensible
> choice for them.

Again, you've very clearly made the point so that even I can understand it.

Thank you very much. <s>
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>
> "Roxana" wrote:
> > Thanks for your speedy reply.
> >
> > Yes, I have a Boot Manager already. (dual booting 98se/XP on two
separate
> > hard disks).
> >
> > I've replied to Brian S, above. Therein I asked if its advantageous or
not
> > advantageous to have both OS' on the same hard disk, but obviously, in 2
> > separate volumes. (as opposed to employing some VM)
> >
> > "Creating a Virtual Machine and installing different OS'..." . Oh... it
> > depends on my needs. hehe I guess I'm just wondering if there's any
> > advantage or real purpose to having a VM if one has two separate OS'
> > already.
> >
> > But, I see that *if* I wanted/needed one, it'd have to be the other way
> > around.
> > i.e. - WinXP would become Primary and W98se, secondary. I'd have to
> > *install*, and not copy the w98se OS into the VM, which I'd fist install
> > into the WinXP Drive/Volume. Is that right ?
> >
> > I'll look at the MS VM link you provided. Thanks.
> >
> > I may be away for a day or two. Friends are due for a visit to my home.
> > I will return. Thanks again.
> >
> > Roxana
> >
> > "Jeff Richards" wrote in message:
> >> To have more than one OS on a drive and select between them at startup,
> > you
> >> need a boot manager. They definitely work and are very effective for
that
> >> particular job. See a description here:
> >> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/
> >>
> >> Creating a Virtual Machine and installing a different operating system
> > into
> >> it is also quite effective - the choice depends on your needs. There's
a
> >> description here:
> >>
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx
> >>
> >> The MS virtual machine won't work in W98, so you would need to install
XP
> > or
> >> Vista, then create a virtual machine to install W98 in. You can't
simply
> >> shift an existing installation of W98 into a virtual machine.
> >> --
> >> Jeff Richards
> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> >>
> >> "Roxana" wrote:
> >> > Anyone have experience with:
> >> >
> >> > Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a
> >> > multi-partitioned
> >> > hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?
> >> >
> >> > Is this possible?
> >> >
> >> > What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?
> >> > Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using
> > one
> >> > of
> >> > these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?
> >> >
> >> > Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.
> >> >
> >> > Roxana
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

[Jeff Richards]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

You're very welcome.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message
news:e$kWKYSCIHA.4836@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi again. I apologize for my absence.
>
> "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
> news:OXrMQDnBIHA.324@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> With a dual boot setup only one OS is operating at any one time, so I
> can't
>> think of any reason that having two partitions on one disk would be any
>> better or worse than having two disks.
>
> OK. No diff as far as logic or 'safety' or any particular reason then ?
> Great ! That makes that very easy.
>>
>> The reason that the choice depends on your needs is that the two options
>> provide very different functionality.
>
> So I see.
>>
>> By dual booting, you simply choose whether you want to run this or that.
>> When you change your mind you shut down one and start the other.
>
> Yes. Simple enough.
>>
>> By using a VM to install a second OS, you are committed to always booting
>> one OS (say, XP) and having that run all the time. Then, when needed,
>> you
>> boot W98 as a VM, and switch between the two as required. Then exit W98,
>> terminate the VM, and continue to use XP until you shut down.
>
> Explained very clearly. Thank you.
>>
>> For instance, someone providing technical support for a mixture of users
>> would definitely go for the VM arrangement, as they can have XP running
> for
>> normal support and housekeeping, and start the W98 system as needed if a
> W98
>> user calls in.
>
> Perfectly logical reason and purpose. Since I have no call for such, its
> one
> I don't need,. That's a relief.
>
> OTOH, a serious gamer only starts the machine to play a
>> particular game, and wouldn't want any part of the system being used by
>> an
>> OS they don't need at the moment. So dual booting would be the sensible
>> choice for them.
>
> Again, you've very clearly made the point so that even I can understand
> it.
>
> Thank you very much. <s>
>> --
>> Jeff Richards
>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>>