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October 16, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.
Posted by Declan McCullagh
The Recording Industry Association of America has found a new legal target
for a copyright lawsuit: Usenet.

In a lawsuit filed on October 12, the RIAA says that Usenet newsgroups
contain "millions of copyrighted sound recordings" in violation of federal
law.

Only Usenet.com is named as a defendant for now, but the same logic would
let the RIAA sue hundreds of universities, Internet service providers, and
other newsgroup archives. AT&T offers Usenet, as does Verizon, Stanford
University and other companies including Giganews.

That's what makes this lawsuit important. If the RIAA can win against
Usenet.com, other Usenet providers are at legal risk, too.

For those of you who are relative newcomers to the Internet, Usenet was a
wildly popular way to distribute conversations and binary files long before
the Web or peer-to-peer networks existed. It's divided up into tens of
thousands of "newsgroups"--discussion areas arranged hierarchically and
sporting names like sci.med.aids, rec.motorcycles, and comp.os.linux.admin.
A handful are moderated; most are not. For efficiency's sake, recent posts
to newsgroups are stored on the Usenet provider's server (as opposed to
saved on a subscriber's computer as mailing lists are).

Some newsgroups, like alt.binaries.pictures, are devoted to the distribution
of binary files. Of particular relevance to the RIAA lawsuit is that there
are around 652 newsgroups with the phrase "MP3" in their names. (For storage
space reasons, not all Usenet providers offer binary newsgroups. Google's
Web-based interface to Usenet doesn't, for instance.)

The RIAA sued Usenet.com, which is based in Fargo, N.D., in the southern
district of New York. The lawsuit claims Usenet.com encourages its customers
to pay up to $19 a month by enticing them with copyrighted music, and asks
for a permanent injunction barring the company from "aiding, encouraging,
enabling, inducing, causing, materially contributing to, or otherwise
facilitating" copyright infringement.

There are some differences between Usenet.com and some of the other
newsgroup providers that will help the RIAA. Usenet.com boasts that signing
up for an account "gives you access to millions of MP3 files and also
enables you to post your own files the same way and share them with the
whole world."

Clearly they didn't run that language by their lawyers first.

So will the RIAA win? Thanks to improvident boasts like that, they stand a
good chance. One reason the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Grokster is
that the justices believed that StreamCast's executives had tried to lure
pirates into using the Morpheus application. The justices also said that
neither company filtered copyrighted material and "the business models
employed by Grokster and StreamCast confirm that their principal object was
use of their software to download copyrighted works."

What the RIAA's doing here is a classic litigation strategy: sue someone who
a judge is likely to say is a clear offender, and then invoke that decision
when targeting someone who's a more marginal case. Usenet.com may be first,
in other words, but newsgroup providers like AT&T, Verizon, and Stanford may
well be next.
 
Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

In article <Q8jRi.6355$A9.3715@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, jim@home.net
says...
> (from http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9798715-38.html )
>
> October 16, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
> RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.
> Posted by Declan McCullagh
> The Recording Industry Association of America has found a new legal target
> for a copyright lawsuit: Usenet.
>
> In a lawsuit filed on October 12, the RIAA says that Usenet newsgroups
> contain "millions of copyrighted sound recordings" in violation of federal
> law.
>
> Only Usenet.com is named as a defendant for now, but the same logic would
> let the RIAA sue hundreds of universities, Internet service providers, and
> other newsgroup archives. AT&T offers Usenet, as does Verizon, Stanford
> University and other companies including Giganews.
>
> That's what makes this lawsuit important. If the RIAA can win against
> Usenet.com, other Usenet providers are at legal risk, too.
>
> For those of you who are relative newcomers to the Internet, Usenet was a
> wildly popular way to distribute conversations and binary files long before
> the Web or peer-to-peer networks existed. It's divided up into tens of
> thousands of "newsgroups"--discussion areas arranged hierarchically and
> sporting names like sci.med.aids, rec.motorcycles, and comp.os.linux.admin.
> A handful are moderated; most are not. For efficiency's sake, recent posts
> to newsgroups are stored on the Usenet provider's server (as opposed to
> saved on a subscriber's computer as mailing lists are).


I think it will be a great day, like the early days of Usenet, when they
stop allowing mime encoded attachments to messages. If usenet went back
to non-binaries it would be a great place again, and ISP's would not
have to outsource their service to larger companies that specialize in
Usenet service.

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Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:03:19 -0400, Leythos wrote:

> In article <Q8jRi.6355$A9.3715@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, jim@home.net
> says...
>> (from http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9798715-38.html )
>>
>> October 16, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
>> RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.
>> Posted by Declan McCullagh
>> The Recording Industry Association of America has found a new legal target
>> for a copyright lawsuit: Usenet.
>>
>> In a lawsuit filed on October 12, the RIAA says that Usenet newsgroups
>> contain "millions of copyrighted sound recordings" in violation of federal
>> law.
>>
>> Only Usenet.com is named as a defendant for now, but the same logic would
>> let the RIAA sue hundreds of universities, Internet service providers, and
>> other newsgroup archives. AT&T offers Usenet, as does Verizon, Stanford
>> University and other companies including Giganews.
>>
>> That's what makes this lawsuit important. If the RIAA can win against
>> Usenet.com, other Usenet providers are at legal risk, too.
>>
>> For those of you who are relative newcomers to the Internet, Usenet was a
>> wildly popular way to distribute conversations and binary files long before
>> the Web or peer-to-peer networks existed. It's divided up into tens of
>> thousands of "newsgroups"--discussion areas arranged hierarchically and
>> sporting names like sci.med.aids, rec.motorcycles, and comp.os.linux.admin.
>> A handful are moderated; most are not. For efficiency's sake, recent posts
>> to newsgroups are stored on the Usenet provider's server (as opposed to
>> saved on a subscriber's computer as mailing lists are).

>
> I think it will be a great day, like the early days of Usenet, when they
> stop allowing mime encoded attachments to messages. If usenet went back
> to non-binaries it would be a great place again, and ISP's would not
> have to outsource their service to larger companies that specialize in
> Usenet service.


I agree with that, there shouldn't be a need to pass binaries in news
groups. At one time if the news group needed extra content you would just
run a web site for the extra parts.

Forums and other private groups are probably much beeter for that. In the
forums I use we do pass script and source code around, it has a size limit
of about 2M but rarely comes close to that as much of it is samples of
single functions/classes. Sometimes a jokey video has been passed, but now
this sort of thing tends to be embedded with a link to the source.

I do like to have some markup language in the forums, for hilights and
such, I don't think there is as much need for pure text news groups as
there once was. The problem there is if you allow a bit of markup, people
will always ask for more, until you get close to a full html.

odf may be better, because readers can simply filter out those bits the
user opts out of, or will miss out any section it doesn't understand. So
it should satisfy those that want to use a simple reader/editor as well as
those who want it pretty, without the loss of text.
 
Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:21:17 +0100, BearItAll wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:03:19 -0400, Leythos wrote:
>
>> In article <Q8jRi.6355$A9.3715@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, jim@home.net
>> says...
>>> (from http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9798715-38.html )
>>>
>>> October 16, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
>>> RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously. Posted by Declan
>>> McCullagh
>>> The Recording Industry Association of America has found a new legal
>>> target for a copyright lawsuit: Usenet.
>>>
>>> In a lawsuit filed on October 12, the RIAA says that Usenet newsgroups
>>> contain "millions of copyrighted sound recordings" in violation of
>>> federal law.
>>>
>>> Only Usenet.com is named as a defendant for now, but the same logic
>>> would let the RIAA sue hundreds of universities, Internet service
>>> providers, and other newsgroup archives. AT&T offers Usenet, as does
>>> Verizon, Stanford University and other companies including Giganews.
>>>
>>> That's what makes this lawsuit important. If the RIAA can win against
>>> Usenet.com, other Usenet providers are at legal risk, too.
>>>
>>> For those of you who are relative newcomers to the Internet, Usenet
>>> was a wildly popular way to distribute conversations and binary files
>>> long before the Web or peer-to-peer networks existed. It's divided up
>>> into tens of thousands of "newsgroups"--discussion areas arranged
>>> hierarchically and sporting names like sci.med.aids, rec.motorcycles,
>>> and comp.os.linux.admin. A handful are moderated; most are not. For
>>> efficiency's sake, recent posts to newsgroups are stored on the Usenet
>>> provider's server (as opposed to saved on a subscriber's computer as
>>> mailing lists are).

>>
>> I think it will be a great day, like the early days of Usenet, when
>> they stop allowing mime encoded attachments to messages. If usenet went
>> back to non-binaries it would be a great place again, and ISP's would
>> not have to outsource their service to larger companies that specialize
>> in Usenet service.

>
> I agree with that, there shouldn't be a need to pass binaries in news
> groups. At one time if the news group needed extra content you would
> just run a web site for the extra parts.


Why shouldn't there be a need?

Just because you don't have the need, why can't someone else have it?

If you don't want binaries or don't need binaries then don't go to binary
groups. It's really simple.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

BearItAll wrote:
>
> I agree with that, there shouldn't be a need to pass binaries in news
> groups. At one time if the news group needed extra content you would
> just run a web site for the extra parts.


We run into this conflict all the time, as in "No one NEEDS an assault
rifle!"

"Need" is not the operative word; "Want" is.
 
Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

"Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:58AA27CF-7B8B-4302-B599-435DD2539A37@microsoft.com...
> Yawn!!!!
>
> Who cares!!!!



It is nice to know where to find a copy of an os that works in case Bill
Gates decides to pull the plug everytime he thinks somebody is a criminal.
Hopefully, if Vista stops working we can go to usenet to get a working copy
to get OUR data back. Of course, now a days some people think it is a crime
to take back your own property that you paid for.

Floyd


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Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

jim wrote:
> (from http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9798715-38.html )
>
> October 16, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
> RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.
> Posted by Declan McCullagh
> The Recording Industry Association of America has found a new legal target
> for a copyright lawsuit: Usenet.
>
> In a lawsuit filed on October 12, the RIAA says that Usenet newsgroups
> contain "millions of copyrighted sound recordings" in violation of federal
> law.
>
> Only Usenet.com is named as a defendant for now, but the same logic would
> let the RIAA sue hundreds of universities, Internet service providers, and
> other newsgroup archives. AT&T offers Usenet, as does Verizon, Stanford
> University and other companies including Giganews.
>
> That's what makes this lawsuit important. If the RIAA can win against
> Usenet.com, other Usenet providers are at legal risk, too.
>
> For those of you who are relative newcomers to the Internet, Usenet was a
> wildly popular way to distribute conversations and binary files long before
> the Web or peer-to-peer networks existed. It's divided up into tens of
> thousands of "newsgroups"--discussion areas arranged hierarchically and
> sporting names like sci.med.aids, rec.motorcycles, and comp.os.linux.admin.
> A handful are moderated; most are not. For efficiency's sake, recent posts
> to newsgroups are stored on the Usenet provider's server (as opposed to
> saved on a subscriber's computer as mailing lists are).
>
> Some newsgroups, like alt.binaries.pictures, are devoted to the distribution
> of binary files. Of particular relevance to the RIAA lawsuit is that there
> are around 652 newsgroups with the phrase "MP3" in their names. (For storage
> space reasons, not all Usenet providers offer binary newsgroups. Google's
> Web-based interface to Usenet doesn't, for instance.)
>
> The RIAA sued Usenet.com, which is based in Fargo, N.D., in the southern
> district of New York. The lawsuit claims Usenet.com encourages its customers
> to pay up to $19 a month by enticing them with copyrighted music, and asks
> for a permanent injunction barring the company from "aiding, encouraging,
> enabling, inducing, causing, materially contributing to, or otherwise
> facilitating" copyright infringement.
>
> There are some differences between Usenet.com and some of the other
> newsgroup providers that will help the RIAA. Usenet.com boasts that signing
> up for an account "gives you access to millions of MP3 files and also
> enables you to post your own files the same way and share them with the
> whole world."
>
> Clearly they didn't run that language by their lawyers first.
>
> So will the RIAA win? Thanks to improvident boasts like that, they stand a
> good chance. One reason the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Grokster is
> that the justices believed that StreamCast's executives had tried to lure
> pirates into using the Morpheus application. The justices also said that
> neither company filtered copyrighted material and "the business models
> employed by Grokster and StreamCast confirm that their principal object was
> use of their software to download copyrighted works."
>
> What the RIAA's doing here is a classic litigation strategy: sue someone who
> a judge is likely to say is a clear offender, and then invoke that decision
> when targeting someone who's a more marginal case. Usenet.com may be first,
> in other words, but newsgroup providers like AT&T, Verizon, and Stanford may
> well be next.
>
>


Those !@#$%^&*!@ copyright nazis!

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Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

In article <Z6WdnY_9nbVBgYvanZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
nospam.noway@screwspammers.com says...
> > I agree with that, there shouldn't be a need to pass binaries in news
> > groups. At one time if the news group needed extra content you would
> > just run a web site for the extra parts.

>
> Why shouldn't there be a need?
>
> Just because you don't have the need, why can't someone else have it?
>
> If you don't want binaries or don't need binaries then don't go to binary
> groups. It's really simple.


My guess is that you didn't know about Usenet until after your first MS
PC, and MS was late getting into the Usenet world.

Usenet was setup to allow groups to share information on related topics.
In the early days you could not pass files (mime attachments), but when
it was updated to also work over SMTP it had to follow the email
standards which included attachments.

Since the time that people started posting attachments to replies/posts,
Usenet has suffered for it, causing some service providers to drop
Usenet access some to block it, others invest massive resources into
maintaining it, others have little retention, etc....

The only reason to share files via usenet is anonymity - meaning that
you can post as an unknown and share that file with the unknown masses.
This makes it a perfect means to pirate or distribute media that you
would not want to be associated with normally.

It's not as simple as avoiding the binary groups - idiots post files to
non-binary groups all the time, and if we did away with the entire
binary designation, in order to fight piracy, they would still post to
Usenet in some other group.

Almost 1TB per day is associated with binaries on busy servers.

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Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:39:57 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:


>> As far as idiots, you seem to be a member in good standing of that
>> club. Usenet was formed with one purpose in mind. NO RULES.

>
>Bull crap - only an idiot would believe that.
>
>> I know. I
>> was there from the beginning.

>
>I was posting to Usenet in 84, I don't believe you were using it then,
>you certainly don't have the technical skills to have used a computer
>that long.


Seeing some the slop you've posted what you believe and reality rarely
meet. You fanboy wannabe types are quite funny to read when you get
your underwear all bunched up like yours obviously are right now. If
you first started posting in 1984, you came to the party very late. It
began quite innocently in late 1979.
 
Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:19:37 -0600, Free Phones wrote:

> "Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:58AA27CF-7B8B-4302-B599-435DD2539A37@microsoft.com...
>> Yawn!!!!
>>
>> Who cares!!!!

>
>
> It is nice to know where to find a copy of an os that works in case Bill
> Gates decides to pull the plug everytime he thinks somebody is a
> criminal. Hopefully, if Vista stops working we can go to usenet to get a
> working copy to get OUR data back. Of course, now a days some people
> think it is a crime to take back your own property that you paid for.
>


It's almost getting to the point where it's becoming a crime to simply
use the data you paid money for....

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
news:MPG.21803fb2b1f09632989a63@adfree.Usenet.com:

> Almost 1TB per day is associated with binaries on busy servers.


Actually Leythos....the latest estimates are upwards of 3 TB/day.
 
Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

In article <mu1dh31l17jla522ggii4agi67ejd8k9fi@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net
says...
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:39:57 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
>
> >> As far as idiots, you seem to be a member in good standing of that
> >> club. Usenet was formed with one purpose in mind. NO RULES.

> >
> >Bull crap - only an idiot would believe that.
> >
> >> I know. I
> >> was there from the beginning.

> >
> >I was posting to Usenet in 84, I don't believe you were using it then,
> >you certainly don't have the technical skills to have used a computer
> >that long.

>
> Seeing some the slop you've posted what you believe and reality rarely
> meet. You fanboy wannabe types are quite funny to read when you get
> your underwear all bunched up like yours obviously are right now. If
> you first started posting in 1984, you came to the party very late. It
> began quite innocently in late 1979.


And you were not there then and not there until, well, you're not all
here now either.

So, you've proven my point again sonny.

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Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

In article <Xns99CCBFDC6C228thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142>,
t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t says...
> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
> news:MPG.21803fb2b1f09632989a63@adfree.Usenet.com:
>
> > Almost 1TB per day is associated with binaries on busy servers.

>
> Actually Leythos....the latest estimates are upwards of 3 TB/day.


Thanks, my data is a year old or so, since I don't really monitor it any
more. I bought generic service since my ISP outsourced their servers
because of the BINARY LOAD and you only get updates every 15 minutes -
this service is instant.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:14:43 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <mu1dh31l17jla522ggii4agi67ejd8k9fi@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net
>says...
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:39:57 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> As far as idiots, you seem to be a member in good standing of that
>> >> club. Usenet was formed with one purpose in mind. NO RULES.
>> >
>> >Bull crap - only an idiot would believe that.
>> >
>> >> I know. I
>> >> was there from the beginning.
>> >
>> >I was posting to Usenet in 84, I don't believe you were using it then,
>> >you certainly don't have the technical skills to have used a computer
>> >that long.

>>
>> Seeing some the slop you've posted what you believe and reality rarely
>> meet. You fanboy wannabe types are quite funny to read when you get
>> your underwear all bunched up like yours obviously are right now. If
>> you first started posting in 1984, you came to the party very late. It
>> began quite innocently in late 1979.

>
>And you were not there then and not there until, well, you're not all
>here now either.


>So, you've proven my point again sonny.


How would you know? You're just another self-important idiot like
Frank. Thanks for proving whatever you say comes out of thin air or
your ass. Tell us Which.
 
Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:16:04 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <Xns99CCBFDC6C228thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142>,
>t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t says...
>> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
>> news:MPG.21803fb2b1f09632989a63@adfree.Usenet.com:
>>
>> > Almost 1TB per day is associated with binaries on busy servers.

>>
>> Actually Leythos....the latest estimates are upwards of 3 TB/day.

>
>Thanks, my data is a year old or so, since I don't really monitor it any
>more.


LOL! That doesn't stop you from blubbering whatever pops in your head
though does it. You were "only" off by 300%. That's what I mean about
you self-important wannabe expert types. All talk, mostly bluff. You
can't backup ANYTHING you claim. You just got proved wrong. Again.
Till the next time. I'm sure we won't have to wait long. ;-)
 
Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:hr8dh3dtgjgn9v7lsnukjjtl3uk9ol9n5u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:16:04 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
>>In article <Xns99CCBFDC6C228thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142>,
>>t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t says...
>>> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
>>> news:MPG.21803fb2b1f09632989a63@adfree.Usenet.com:
>>>
>>> > Almost 1TB per day is associated with binaries on busy servers.
>>>
>>> Actually Leythos....the latest estimates are upwards of 3 TB/day.

>>
>>Thanks, my data is a year old or so, since I don't really monitor it any
>>more.

>
> LOL! That doesn't stop you from blubbering whatever pops in your head
> though does it. You were "only" off by 300%. That's what I mean about
> you self-important wannabe expert types. All talk, mostly bluff. You
> can't backup ANYTHING you claim. You just got proved wrong. Again.
> Till the next time. I'm sure we won't have to wait long. ;-)
>


Well, that's because 97.3% of statistics are made up on the spot.
 
Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:14:43 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <mu1dh31l17jla522ggii4agi67ejd8k9fi@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net
>>says...
>>
>>>On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:39:57 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>As far as idiots, you seem to be a member in good standing of that
>>>>>club. Usenet was formed with one purpose in mind. NO RULES.
>>>>
>>>>Bull crap - only an idiot would believe that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I know. I
>>>>>was there from the beginning.
>>>>
>>>>I was posting to Usenet in 84, I don't believe you were using it then,
>>>>you certainly don't have the technical skills to have used a computer
>>>>that long.
>>>
>>>Seeing some the slop you've posted what you believe and reality rarely
>>>meet. You fanboy wannabe types are quite funny to read when you get
>>>your underwear all bunched up like yours obviously are right now. If
>>>you first started posting in 1984, you came to the party very late. It
>>>began quite innocently in late 1979.

>>
>>And you were not there then and not there until, well, you're not all
>>here now either.

>
>
>>So, you've proven my point again sonny.

>
>
> How would you know? You're just another self-important idiot like
> Frank. Thanks for proving whatever you say comes out of thin air or
> your ass. Tell us Which.
>

Frank has taken over whats left of your demented brain. Frank was won
all battles with you yet you keep flapping your fat jowls like a chicken
with it's head cut off.
You are the ng's best, biggest and most famous loud mouth h as*hole idiot.
A title you so warmly deserve.
Congratulations!
Frank
 
Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:16:04 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <Xns99CCBFDC6C228thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142>,
>>t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t says...
>>
>>>Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
>>>news:MPG.21803fb2b1f09632989a63@adfree.Usenet.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Almost 1TB per day is associated with binaries on busy servers.
>>>
>>>Actually Leythos....the latest estimates are upwards of 3 TB/day.

>>
>>Thanks, my data is a year old or so, since I don't really monitor it any
>>more.

>
>
> LOL! That doesn't stop you from blubbering whatever pops in your head
> though does it. You were "only" off by 300%. That's what I mean about
> you self-important wannabe expert types. All talk, mostly bluff. You
> can't backup ANYTHING you claim. You just got proved wrong. Again.
> Till the next time. I'm sure we won't have to wait long. ;-)
>


You need to let that minkie in your cell do the talking as you present
yourself as a demented as*hole. At least the minkie is smarter and will
not shoot himself in the foot like you keep doing.
Frank
 
Re: FYI: RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.

On Oct 17, 3:50 am, "jim" <j...@home.net> wrote:
> (fromhttp://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9798715-38.html)
>
> October 16, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
> RIAA tries to pull plug on Usenet. Seriously.


So what's the over-under (in years or months) that the RIAA will
officially declare Linux to be a tool for piracy.
 
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