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So, I haven't updated my laptop for years
(literally). I'm an MSDN member, so I got
SP's that way. I am already at SP4.

I just checked in with Windows Update, and, of course,
the Win Update stuff was out of date, so I let it update.

When I rebooted, the dreaded Automatic Update service
was turned back ON, so I quickly turned it OFF and
disabled it - Auto Update is a DISASTER - foisting off
things like WMP 11 as "critical" when it is not (not to
mention that WMP 11 is just a POS downgrade from
WMP 10 as well).

Of course, visiting the Windows Update site now results
in a 0x8DDD0018 error.

I am NOT gonna let Auto Update download stuff and THEN
ask me if I want it. No way. Don't try to talk me into it. I've
read far too many horror stories from other users about the
system bitching about "uninstalled updates" each and every reboot
even though it was instructed specifically not to ask again.
No patience for that kind of crap.

What I want is the OLD way things were - W. Update scans,
then presents me a list, I choose what I want, then those
updates are downloaded and installed.

If this is no longer possible, then I'll just freeze my system where
it is and no longer update anything from MS. Nothing has
malfunctioned for years, so I'll just blow them off forever.

Device driver updates I will continue to get from the hardware
mgfrs - most MS driver updates seem to render systems unbootable
or otherwise break your system so I've never gotten them from there anyway.

I have heard rumors of a enterprise support system - one that
allows non-idiots to download updates outside of the Windows
Update junk. Myth or fact?
 
Re: Windows Update

This article may help.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323166


--

Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"V Green" wrote:
> So, I haven't updated my laptop for years
> (literally). I'm an MSDN member, so I got
> SP's that way. I am already at SP4.
>
> I just checked in with Windows Update, and, of course,
> the Win Update stuff was out of date, so I let it update.
>
> When I rebooted, the dreaded Automatic Update service
> was turned back ON, so I quickly turned it OFF and
> disabled it - Auto Update is a DISASTER - foisting off
> things like WMP 11 as "critical" when it is not (not to
> mention that WMP 11 is just a POS downgrade from
> WMP 10 as well).
>
> Of course, visiting the Windows Update site now results
> in a 0x8DDD0018 error.
>
> I am NOT gonna let Auto Update download stuff and THEN
> ask me if I want it. No way. Don't try to talk me into it. I've
> read far too many horror stories from other users about the
> system bitching about "uninstalled updates" each and every reboot
> even though it was instructed specifically not to ask again.
> No patience for that kind of crap.
>
> What I want is the OLD way things were - W. Update scans,
> then presents me a list, I choose what I want, then those
> updates are downloaded and installed.
>
> If this is no longer possible, then I'll just freeze my system where
> it is and no longer update anything from MS. Nothing has
> malfunctioned for years, so I'll just blow them off forever.
>
> Device driver updates I will continue to get from the hardware
> mgfrs - most MS driver updates seem to render systems unbootable
> or otherwise break your system so I've never gotten them from there
> anyway.
>
> I have heard rumors of a enterprise support system - one that
> allows non-idiots to download updates outside of the Windows
> Update junk. Myth or fact?
>
>
 
Re: Windows Update

Thanks, Dave.

That KB contained a link to:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327850/

which showed how to configure Automatic Updates
from the Control Panel. Looks like I can set it to "Notify
but not download or install".

That ought to do the trick. After I'm done, I can Disable
the Auto Update service to prevent any unwanted nonsense.

Sure wish MS would be a little more forthcoming about
options to configure Auto Update from the Windows Update
site. If I had known of these options, I wouldn't have gotten
so teed off...


"Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0AA05D55-8D1A-4CB9-9609-E144D581D755@microsoft.com...
> This article may help.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323166
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
> Microsoft Certified Professional
> Microsoft MVP [Windows]
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect
>
> "V Green" wrote:
> > So, I haven't updated my laptop for years
> > (literally). I'm an MSDN member, so I got
> > SP's that way. I am already at SP4.
> >
> > I just checked in with Windows Update, and, of course,
> > the Win Update stuff was out of date, so I let it update.
> >
> > When I rebooted, the dreaded Automatic Update service
> > was turned back ON, so I quickly turned it OFF and
> > disabled it - Auto Update is a DISASTER - foisting off
> > things like WMP 11 as "critical" when it is not (not to
> > mention that WMP 11 is just a POS downgrade from
> > WMP 10 as well).
> >
> > Of course, visiting the Windows Update site now results
> > in a 0x8DDD0018 error.
> >
> > I am NOT gonna let Auto Update download stuff and THEN
> > ask me if I want it. No way. Don't try to talk me into it. I've
> > read far too many horror stories from other users about the
> > system bitching about "uninstalled updates" each and every reboot
> > even though it was instructed specifically not to ask again.
> > No patience for that kind of crap.
> >
> > What I want is the OLD way things were - W. Update scans,
> > then presents me a list, I choose what I want, then those
> > updates are downloaded and installed.
> >
> > If this is no longer possible, then I'll just freeze my system where
> > it is and no longer update anything from MS. Nothing has
> > malfunctioned for years, so I'll just blow them off forever.
> >
> > Device driver updates I will continue to get from the hardware
> > mgfrs - most MS driver updates seem to render systems unbootable
> > or otherwise break your system so I've never gotten them from there
> > anyway.
> >
> > I have heard rumors of a enterprise support system - one that
> > allows non-idiots to download updates outside of the Windows
> > Update junk. Myth or fact?
> >
> >
>
 
Re: Windows Update

You're welcome.

--

Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"V Green" wrote:
> Thanks, Dave.
>
> That KB contained a link to:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327850/
>
> which showed how to configure Automatic Updates
> from the Control Panel. Looks like I can set it to "Notify
> but not download or install".
>
> That ought to do the trick. After I'm done, I can Disable
> the Auto Update service to prevent any unwanted nonsense.
>
> Sure wish MS would be a little more forthcoming about
> options to configure Auto Update from the Windows Update
> site. If I had known of these options, I wouldn't have gotten
> so teed off...
 
Re: Windows Update

I have turned auto updates off also. I have a bog standard Win2K system up
to SP4, and there is just one of the updates that seems to get part way
through and then stall every time. After that the system was just not 100%
happy, so I formatted, did a clean install, set it all up the way I like,
and "froze" it there. I update the antivirus and other security programs
obviously, but as far as Windows updates go I leave well alone. I practice
safe computing based on more than 10 years experience, including not a few
major stuffups, and my system is as snappy and clean as it was months ago.

In light of all that I am happy to read of someone else who feels similar to
me.

Cheers, Peter

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Pull the plug out to reply.)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.


"Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:er6dSE5EIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You're welcome.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
> Microsoft Certified Professional
> Microsoft MVP [Windows]
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect
>
> "V Green" wrote:
> > Thanks, Dave.
> >
> > That KB contained a link to:
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327850/
> >
> > which showed how to configure Automatic Updates
> > from the Control Panel. Looks like I can set it to "Notify
> > but not download or install".
> >
> > That ought to do the trick. After I'm done, I can Disable
> > the Auto Update service to prevent any unwanted nonsense.
> >
> > Sure wish MS would be a little more forthcoming about
> > options to configure Auto Update from the Windows Update
> > site. If I had known of these options, I wouldn't have gotten
> > so teed off...
 
Re: Windows Update

Peter:

I know there's quite a few of us out there who
don't take well to MS just "having its way" with
our systems. A few of the updates have caused
real problems for some people - which is why I
wait a few months for the "patch for the patch"
to show up before installing.

This particular machine is exposed to several different
networks, and causes the most concern, hence my worry
about it. I have 100% control over what happens on my
home office machine so I'm leaving it alone and not updating
it.

Anyway, long story short, while Automatic Updates was
safely turned OFF via disabling its service, I used the Automatic
Updates applet in Control Panel to set it to "Notify, but don't
do anything".

Then re-enabled the service, went to the Windows Update
site, selected Custom install, got the list of stuff I was behind
on (57 items), printed it, studied it, crossed off a few I will
never need, etc. and then installed them 10 at a time, rebooting
btwn. each 10 and checking to see if critical apps still ran
without issue.

As predicted, one in the last 10 is causing a problem. After
log in, and almost at the end of painting the desktop (most
of the icons are up) the screen blanks and shifts to 256 color
from 16 or 32 bit.

Tried several things, then went to the Intel site and got the
last driver for the 82830 video, which fixed it when installed.

Actually, I don't think there was anything wrong with the old driver,
just one of the damn "updates" is AGAIN poorly written and had
probably replaced either a system file or registry setting that caused
the problem.

I guess I should consider myself lucky.

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@slingshot.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1192948836.895667@ftpsrv1...
> I have turned auto updates off also. I have a bog standard Win2K system up
> to SP4, and there is just one of the updates that seems to get part way
> through and then stall every time. After that the system was just not 100%
> happy, so I formatted, did a clean install, set it all up the way I like,
> and "froze" it there. I update the antivirus and other security programs
> obviously, but as far as Windows updates go I leave well alone. I practice
> safe computing based on more than 10 years experience, including not a few
> major stuffups, and my system is as snappy and clean as it was months ago.
>
> In light of all that I am happy to read of someone else who feels similar to
> me.
>
> Cheers, Peter
>
> --
> Peter in New Zealand. (Pull the plug out to reply.)
> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
> compulsive computer fiddler.
>
>
> "Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:er6dSE5EIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > You're welcome.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
> > Microsoft Certified Professional
> > Microsoft MVP [Windows]
> > http://www.microsoft.com/protect
> >
> > "V Green" wrote:
> > > Thanks, Dave.
> > >
> > > That KB contained a link to:
> > >
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327850/
> > >
> > > which showed how to configure Automatic Updates
> > > from the Control Panel. Looks like I can set it to "Notify
> > > but not download or install".
> > >
> > > That ought to do the trick. After I'm done, I can Disable
> > > the Auto Update service to prevent any unwanted nonsense.
> > >
> > > Sure wish MS would be a little more forthcoming about
> > > options to configure Auto Update from the Windows Update
> > > site. If I had known of these options, I wouldn't have gotten
> > > so teed off...
>
>
 
Re: Windows Update


"V Green" <vanceg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:OnZKy4$EIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Peter:
>
> I know there's quite a few of us out there who
> don't take well to MS just "having its way" with
> our systems. A few of the updates have caused
> real problems for some people - which is why I
> wait a few months for the "patch for the patch"
> to show up before installing.

I have just started using the Baseline Security Advisor to check what I am
missing (100s!) and downloading them individually in groups of 5 or 6 at a
time. I then install, rebooting as necessary like you - although I think
it's going to take a while. The same update stalls every time KB904706, and
so I just ignore it every time. Hopefully, over time, I will get "patched
up" properly. Thanks for your comments.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Pull the plug out to reply.)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
 
Re: Windows Update

I think this problem is peculiar to certain machines. I am running Windows 2000
Professional with SP4 service paks installed. I have my Windows Update
configured to scan my computer and ask me first about going ahead with the
updates. I guess I'm lazy, so I just glance at them to be sure they are ok, and I

always go ahead with all of them. I have had no problems with my operating system
and no stalls, till now. I am currently up to date as of the sending of this
posting.

Sherwin

V Green wrote:

> Peter:
>
> I know there's quite a few of us out there who
> don't take well to MS just "having its way" with
> our systems. A few of the updates have caused
> real problems for some people - which is why I
> wait a few months for the "patch for the patch"
> to show up before installing.
>
> This particular machine is exposed to several different
> networks, and causes the most concern, hence my worry
> about it. I have 100% control over what happens on my
> home office machine so I'm leaving it alone and not updating
> it.
>
> Anyway, long story short, while Automatic Updates was
> safely turned OFF via disabling its service, I used the Automatic
> Updates applet in Control Panel to set it to "Notify, but don't
> do anything".
>
> Then re-enabled the service, went to the Windows Update
> site, selected Custom install, got the list of stuff I was behind
> on (57 items), printed it, studied it, crossed off a few I will
> never need, etc. and then installed them 10 at a time, rebooting
> btwn. each 10 and checking to see if critical apps still ran
> without issue.
>
> As predicted, one in the last 10 is causing a problem. After
> log in, and almost at the end of painting the desktop (most
> of the icons are up) the screen blanks and shifts to 256 color
> from 16 or 32 bit.
>
> Tried several things, then went to the Intel site and got the
> last driver for the 82830 video, which fixed it when installed.
>
> Actually, I don't think there was anything wrong with the old driver,
> just one of the damn "updates" is AGAIN poorly written and had
> probably replaced either a system file or registry setting that caused
> the problem.
>
> I guess I should consider myself lucky.
>
> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@slingshot.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:1192948836.895667@ftpsrv1...
> > I have turned auto updates off also. I have a bog standard Win2K system up
> > to SP4, and there is just one of the updates that seems to get part way
> > through and then stall every time. After that the system was just not 100%
> > happy, so I formatted, did a clean install, set it all up the way I like,
> > and "froze" it there. I update the antivirus and other security programs
> > obviously, but as far as Windows updates go I leave well alone. I practice
> > safe computing based on more than 10 years experience, including not a few
> > major stuffups, and my system is as snappy and clean as it was months ago.
> >
> > In light of all that I am happy to read of someone else who feels similar to
> > me.
> >
> > Cheers, Peter
> >
> > --
> > Peter in New Zealand. (Pull the plug out to reply.)
> > Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
> > compulsive computer fiddler.
> >
> >
> > "Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:er6dSE5EIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > > You're welcome.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
> > > Microsoft Certified Professional
> > > Microsoft MVP [Windows]
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/protect
> > >
> > > "V Green" wrote:
> > > > Thanks, Dave.
> > > >
> > > > That KB contained a link to:
> > > >
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327850/
> > > >
> > > > which showed how to configure Automatic Updates
> > > > from the Control Panel. Looks like I can set it to "Notify
> > > > but not download or install".
> > > >
> > > > That ought to do the trick. After I'm done, I can Disable
> > > > the Auto Update service to prevent any unwanted nonsense.
> > > >
> > > > Sure wish MS would be a little more forthcoming about
> > > > options to configure Auto Update from the Windows Update
> > > > site. If I had known of these options, I wouldn't have gotten
> > > > so teed off...
> >
> >
 
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