Newbie Setup Question

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Hi,

I'm just about to install my first Terminal Server to run SAP and have
the following questions:

1. My disk is 120GB - what is the optimal partitioning scheme. It's a
Dell box and is currently partitioned C= 12GB and D= 105GB. Is this Ok?
2. The OS is Server 2003. What happens when a client connects - do they
see the application running under Server 2003 or do I need to install XP
on the server for client sessions.
3. If a users saves from an application to the c driver, is this the
actual server C drive or is it redirected somewhere. If the server C
Drive how does this impact on partitoning scheme above.
4. When installing an application users to access via terminal server do
I need to install via Add/Remove programs.
5. Does TS come with a management tool for controlling what users can do
when logged in ie ability to save files, duration of sessions,
screensavers they can use etc

TIA,
Steve
 
Re: Newbie Setup Question

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Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services

Steve McGrath wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm just about to install my first Terminal Server to run SAP and have
> the following questions:
>
> 1. My disk is 120GB - what is the optimal partitioning scheme. It's a
> Dell box and is currently partitioned C= 12GB and D= 105GB. Is this Ok?

I don't know about SAP, but running with a single drive isn't usually a
good configuration for an application server. I'd rather see additional
drives (and RAID) installed. IMNSHO, partitioning a single drive on a
server just slows things down...

> 2. The OS is Server 2003. What happens when a client connects - do they
> see the application running under Server 2003 or do I need to install XP
> on the server for client sessions.

2003.

> 3. If a users saves from an application to the c driver, is this the
> actual server C drive or is it redirected somewhere. If the server C
> Drive how does this impact on partitoning scheme above.

Server drive unless you change it via drive mapping.

> 4. When installing an application users to access via terminal server do
> I need to install via Add/Remove programs.

In general, using Add/Remove works fine. DO NOT INSTALL BY DIRECTLY
RUNNING THE INSTALL PROGRAM!!! This is a big no-no on a TS server.

> 5. Does TS come with a management tool for controlling what users can do
> when logged in ie ability to save files, duration of sessions,
> screensavers they can use etc

This is done via Group Policy or the TS Configuration console. It
depends on what you are talking about. For example, ion duration is
controlled by TS configuration. saving files & screen savers are
controlled via Group Policy...

>
> TIA,
> Steve
 
Re: Newbie Setup Question

Steve McGrath wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm just about to install my first Terminal Server to run SAP and have
> the following questions:
>
> 1. My disk is 120GB - what is the optimal partitioning scheme. It's a
> Dell box and is currently partitioned C= 12GB and D= 105GB. Is this Ok?
> 2. The OS is Server 2003. What happens when a client connects - do they
> see the application running under Server 2003 or do I need to install XP
> on the server for client sessions.
> 3. If a users saves from an application to the c driver, is this the
> actual server C drive or is it redirected somewhere. If the server C
> Drive how does this impact on partitoning scheme above.
> 4. When installing an application users to access via terminal server do
> I need to install via Add/Remove programs.
> 5. Does TS come with a management tool for controlling what users can do
> when logged in ie ability to save files, duration of sessions,
> screensavers they can use etc
>
> TIA,
> Steve

Since this is obviously an application server, do you have the necessary
TSCALs?? You will need one for each user or device..

--

Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services
 
Re: Newbie Setup Question

Hank,

I have the necessary TSCALs - I've used TS for remote administration but
never before in application mode.
There are 2 drives mirrored and the I have a 12Gb C drive and 105GB D
drive. Given that users may be storing files on the C drive, would yuo
recommend blowing away the current config (Dell out of box partiton
setup) and partitioning eg C = 50GB D = 65GB?.
Alternatively if I leave the existing config is there a way of mapping
the server D: drive so it appears as a C drive for the clients when
connected?

Thanks,
Steve


Hank Arnold (MVP) wrote:
> Steve McGrath wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm just about to install my first Terminal Server to run SAP and have
>> the following questions:
>>
>> 1. My disk is 120GB - what is the optimal partitioning scheme. It's a
>> Dell box and is currently partitioned C= 12GB and D= 105GB. Is this Ok?
>> 2. The OS is Server 2003. What happens when a client connects - do
>> they see the application running under Server 2003 or do I need to
>> install XP on the server for client sessions.
>> 3. If a users saves from an application to the c driver, is this the
>> actual server C drive or is it redirected somewhere. If the server C
>> Drive how does this impact on partitoning scheme above.
>> 4. When installing an application users to access via terminal server
>> do I need to install via Add/Remove programs.
>> 5. Does TS come with a management tool for controlling what users can
>> do when logged in ie ability to save files, duration of sessions,
>> screensavers they can use etc
>>
>> TIA,
>> Steve
>
> Since this is obviously an application server, do you have the necessary
> TSCALs?? You will need one for each user or device..
>
 
Re: Newbie Setup Question

Steve McGrath wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm just about to install my first Terminal Server to run SAP and have
> the following questions:

For many in the group to help you more information would help.

Is this TS in an A/D environment?

Server Specs?
# and Type of CPU's?

Amount of RAM?

Number of Users?

Is the data stored on the TS or on a file server?

Will this server host any other applications beside SAP?

Myself - I am not well versed in SAP so if this is a client/server
application, you may want to store data on a file server
instead of the TS itself.

>
> 1. My disk is 120GB - what is the optimal partitioning scheme. It's a
> Dell box and is currently partitioned C= 12GB and D= 105GB. Is this Ok?
Depends on how much and where the data will be stored.

> 2. The OS is Server 2003. What happens when a client connects - do they
> see the application running under Server 2003 or do I need to install XP
> on the server for client sessions.
They will see a W2003 desktop.

> 3. If a users saves from an application to the c driver, is this the
> actual server C drive or is it redirected somewhere. If the server C
> Drive how does this impact on partitoning scheme above.
The C: Drive and it will impact your partition above.

> 4. When installing an application users to access via terminal server do
> I need to install via Add/Remove programs.
HIGHLY recommended.

> 5. Does TS come with a management tool for controlling what users can do
> when logged in ie ability to save files, duration of sessions,
> screensavers they can use etc

This will be much easier if this is in A/D. You can also use Local
Policy if in a Workgroup but changes will also affect the Admin.

If this in an A/D, search this group for security settings and group
policy settings.

moncho
 
Re: Newbie Setup Question

Hi,

SAP is client server based and I am setting up TS for access to the
system by remote clients. The TS will integrate into an SBS 2003 AD
Domain. The SAP client will be installed on TS and the SAP data is held
in SQL on another server (also in same AD Domain). Currently there are
no plans to host any other apps on the TS server.
So it seems at this stage that the partitioning scheme isn't the best
for TS Server - can you suggest what a typical config would be?

Thanks,
Steve

moncho wrote:
> Steve McGrath wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm just about to install my first Terminal Server to run SAP and have
>> the following questions:
>
> For many in the group to help you more information would help.
>
> Is this TS in an A/D environment?
>
> Server Specs?
> # and Type of CPU's?
>
> Amount of RAM?
>
> Number of Users?
>
> Is the data stored on the TS or on a file server?
>
> Will this server host any other applications beside SAP?
>
> Myself - I am not well versed in SAP so if this is a client/server
> application, you may want to store data on a file server
> instead of the TS itself.
>
>>
>> 1. My disk is 120GB - what is the optimal partitioning scheme. It's a
>> Dell box and is currently partitioned C= 12GB and D= 105GB. Is this Ok?
> Depends on how much and where the data will be stored.
>
>> 2. The OS is Server 2003. What happens when a client connects - do
>> they see the application running under Server 2003 or do I need to
>> install XP on the server for client sessions.
> They will see a W2003 desktop.
>
>> 3. If a users saves from an application to the c driver, is this the
>> actual server C drive or is it redirected somewhere. If the server C
>> Drive how does this impact on partitoning scheme above.
> The C: Drive and it will impact your partition above.
>
>> 4. When installing an application users to access via terminal server
>> do I need to install via Add/Remove programs.
> HIGHLY recommended.
>
>> 5. Does TS come with a management tool for controlling what users can
>> do when logged in ie ability to save files, duration of sessions,
>> screensavers they can use etc
>
> This will be much easier if this is in A/D. You can also use Local
> Policy if in a Workgroup but changes will also affect the Admin.
>
> If this in an A/D, search this group for security settings and group
> policy settings.
>
> moncho
 
Re: Newbie Setup Question

Steve McGrath wrote:
> Hi,
>
> SAP is client server based and I am setting up TS for access to the
> system by remote clients. The TS will integrate into an SBS 2003 AD
> Domain. The SAP client will be installed on TS and the SAP data is held
> in SQL on another server (also in same AD Domain). Currently there are
> no plans to host any other apps on the TS server.
> So it seems at this stage that the partitioning scheme isn't the best
> for TS Server - can you suggest what a typical config would be?

Good info except for user count.

Check out this site for good TS information.

http://www.sessioncomputing.com/

At the bottom you will find some best practices.

Mind you, others have different opinions and my config may not work
work for you environment. You will have to judge for yourself.

1. You can leave your partitioning the way you have it if you like.
Your data is on a F/S so your users will end up saving the data to
a shared drive from the F/S.

2. The more users the more memory. You may want to load it up with
4 Gig just to keep things sane. Depends on user count.

3. You can configure some of the RDP settings in Terminal Server
Manager -> Connections -> RDP-Tcp Properties.

4. Since it is an A/D environment, you will want to put the TS
in its own OU, use loopback processing and then lock down the TS
using group policy.

5. Use NTFS permissions to lock down the shared drive.

Like I stated earlier in the post. Use http://www.sessioncomputing.com/
as a starting ground. I use some of the articles from this site
for my normal TS installs.

Also, search this group for other suggestions. Many of typical
questions have been answered here before and the experts here
(not myself) have EXCELLENT solutions.

moncho



>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> moncho wrote:
>> Steve McGrath wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm just about to install my first Terminal Server to run SAP and
>>> have the following questions:
>>
>> For many in the group to help you more information would help.
>>
>> Is this TS in an A/D environment?
>>
>> Server Specs?
>> # and Type of CPU's?
>>
>> Amount of RAM?
>>
>> Number of Users?
>>
>> Is the data stored on the TS or on a file server?
>>
>> Will this server host any other applications beside SAP?
>>
>> Myself - I am not well versed in SAP so if this is a client/server
>> application, you may want to store data on a file server
>> instead of the TS itself.
>>
>>>
>>> 1. My disk is 120GB - what is the optimal partitioning scheme. It's a
>>> Dell box and is currently partitioned C= 12GB and D= 105GB. Is this Ok?
>> Depends on how much and where the data will be stored.
>>
>>> 2. The OS is Server 2003. What happens when a client connects - do
>>> they see the application running under Server 2003 or do I need to
>>> install XP on the server for client sessions.
>> They will see a W2003 desktop.
>>
>>> 3. If a users saves from an application to the c driver, is this the
>>> actual server C drive or is it redirected somewhere. If the server C
>>> Drive how does this impact on partitoning scheme above.
>> The C: Drive and it will impact your partition above.
>>
>>> 4. When installing an application users to access via terminal server
>>> do I need to install via Add/Remove programs.
>> HIGHLY recommended.
>>
>>> 5. Does TS come with a management tool for controlling what users can
>>> do when logged in ie ability to save files, duration of sessions,
>>> screensavers they can use etc
>>
>> This will be much easier if this is in A/D. You can also use Local
>> Policy if in a Workgroup but changes will also affect the Admin.
>>
>> If this in an A/D, search this group for security settings and group
>> policy settings.
>>
>> moncho
 
Re: Newbie Setup Question

Hi,

Thanks for the tips especially the one about loopback processing!

My main concern was the C drive filling up with user profiles. However I
see there is a group policy where you can roam the TS profile without
affecting the normal Window profile. This should allow me to roam the
profiles to the D drive of the TS.

I've only got less than 10 users so it shouldn't be too much of an issue,

Thanks,
Steve


moncho wrote:
> Steve McGrath wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> SAP is client server based and I am setting up TS for access to the
>> system by remote clients. The TS will integrate into an SBS 2003 AD
>> Domain. The SAP client will be installed on TS and the SAP data is
>> held in SQL on another server (also in same AD Domain). Currently
>> there are no plans to host any other apps on the TS server.
>> So it seems at this stage that the partitioning scheme isn't the best
>> for TS Server - can you suggest what a typical config would be?
>
> Good info except for user count.
>
> Check out this site for good TS information.
>
> http://www.sessioncomputing.com/
>
> At the bottom you will find some best practices.
>
> Mind you, others have different opinions and my config may not work
> work for you environment. You will have to judge for yourself.
>
> 1. You can leave your partitioning the way you have it if you like.
> Your data is on a F/S so your users will end up saving the data to
> a shared drive from the F/S.
>
> 2. The more users the more memory. You may want to load it up with
> 4 Gig just to keep things sane. Depends on user count.
>
> 3. You can configure some of the RDP settings in Terminal Server
> Manager -> Connections -> RDP-Tcp Properties.
>
> 4. Since it is an A/D environment, you will want to put the TS
> in its own OU, use loopback processing and then lock down the TS
> using group policy.
>
> 5. Use NTFS permissions to lock down the shared drive.
>
> Like I stated earlier in the post. Use http://www.sessioncomputing.com/
> as a starting ground. I use some of the articles from this site
> for my normal TS installs.
>
> Also, search this group for other suggestions. Many of typical
> questions have been answered here before and the experts here
> (not myself) have EXCELLENT solutions.
>
> moncho
 
Re: Newbie Setup Question

Steve McGrath wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the tips especially the one about loopback processing!
>
> My main concern was the C drive filling up with user profiles. However I
> see there is a group policy where you can roam the TS profile without
> affecting the normal Window profile. This should allow me to roam the
> profiles to the D drive of the TS.
>
> I've only got less than 10 users so it shouldn't be too much of an issue,

I have 32 Users and I do not allow them to save anything directly on
the TS Server and the profiles only take up 400 MB after two years.

As long as you do not allow them to save anything in My Documents or
set up Roaming Profiles, you should not have any issues.

moncho

>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
> moncho wrote:
>> Steve McGrath wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> SAP is client server based and I am setting up TS for access to the
>>> system by remote clients. The TS will integrate into an SBS 2003 AD
>>> Domain. The SAP client will be installed on TS and the SAP data is
>>> held in SQL on another server (also in same AD Domain). Currently
>>> there are no plans to host any other apps on the TS server.
>>> So it seems at this stage that the partitioning scheme isn't the best
>>> for TS Server - can you suggest what a typical config would be?
>>
>> Good info except for user count.
>>
>> Check out this site for good TS information.
>>
>> http://www.sessioncomputing.com/
>>
>> At the bottom you will find some best practices.
>>
>> Mind you, others have different opinions and my config may not work
>> work for you environment. You will have to judge for yourself.
>>
>> 1. You can leave your partitioning the way you have it if you like.
>> Your data is on a F/S so your users will end up saving the data to
>> a shared drive from the F/S.
>>
>> 2. The more users the more memory. You may want to load it up with
>> 4 Gig just to keep things sane. Depends on user count.
>>
>> 3. You can configure some of the RDP settings in Terminal Server
>> Manager -> Connections -> RDP-Tcp Properties.
>>
>> 4. Since it is an A/D environment, you will want to put the TS
>> in its own OU, use loopback processing and then lock down the TS
>> using group policy.
>>
>> 5. Use NTFS permissions to lock down the shared drive.
>>
>> Like I stated earlier in the post. Use http://www.sessioncomputing.com/
>> as a starting ground. I use some of the articles from this site
>> for my normal TS installs.
>>
>> Also, search this group for other suggestions. Many of typical
>> questions have been answered here before and the experts here
>> (not myself) have EXCELLENT solutions.
>>
>> moncho
 
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