Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

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The truth about vista...

http://keznews.com/3798_Forget_about_Vista_SP1__Just_Go_with_XP_SP3_and_Windows_7

Windows Vista has managed to deliver an experience at the opposite pole of
the Wow, becoming in this context a bitter disappointment for Microsoft.

The Redmond company now has to deal with the very realistic perspective that
customers will skip this generation of the Windows client entirely. And
although the first service pack for Vista, currently cooking over at
Microsoft and planned for the first quarter of 2008, could act as incentive
to drive up the adoption of the operating system, the company is offering
almost concomitantly the third and final service pack for Windows XP by the
summer of next year. This move is effectively designed to take the wind out
of Vista's sales, SP1 or no SP1.

Wind? Did I say wind? I meant to say fading breeze. One year following the
RTM of Vista, Microsoft's count of operating system licenses shipped into
the channel was 88 million. The figure indicates with no doubt that Vista is
selling. At least to general consumers. And that with the holiday seasons at
the door, Microsoft might just hit and go over the 100 million sold copies
milestone. But at the same time, the corporate environment is still timid
when it comes to embracing Windows Vista. Recent studies made available by
Forrester and King Research indicated that although Vista's uptake will pick
up in 2008 with the advent of SP1, the vast majority of businesses have no
plans whatsoever to migrate their environments to the latest Windows client.
Microsoft even issued an official response to the King Research study.

"Without having looked at the study, it's hard to know whether or not
there's any selection bias. The Forrester report, other studies and our own
internal data show that business adoption is on a normal trajectory for a
new OS at this point in its life cycle, and we are seeing positive
indicators in the market that more customers are seeing value in Windows
Vista and are starting to plan, test or begin their deployments", the
company commented according to Microsoft Watch.

At the same time, inquiries from Silicon.com about Vista migration plans,
addressed at 12 Chief Information Officers from major companies belonging to
different markets, revealed that only one business actually had plans to
move to the latest Windows platform in 2008 after SP1. The remaining
respondents either discussed the possibility of migration starting with
2009, or indicated that they will ride out XP plus SP3 for all that the
platform's got for three more years and move directly to Windows 7.
Microsoft's position all this time is that ignoring Vista is an action
equivalent with ignoring the inevitable.

source: news.softpedia.com
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

vista claus wrote:
> The truth about vista...
>
> http://keznews.com/3798_Forget_about_Vista_SP1__Just_Go_with_XP_SP3_and_Windows_7
>
> Windows Vista has managed to deliver an experience at the opposite
> pole of the Wow, becoming in this context a bitter disappointment for
> Microsoft.
> snip
>
>
>

I came to this newsgroup this morning to ask whether, after re-formatting my
hard drive, I should install XPsp2 (home) or Vista Home Ultimate. Your post
has given me food for thought.

thanks

John
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

You should re-install Vista, assuming that all of your preferred software
and hardware plays ball with it..


--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx




"//// Owen \\\\" <mojowen@telus.net> wrote in message
news:rZb4j.34222$Zn.15983@edtnps90...
> vista claus wrote:
>> The truth about vista...
>>
>> http://keznews.com/3798_Forget_about_Vista_SP1__Just_Go_with_XP_SP3_and_Windows_7
>>
>> Windows Vista has managed to deliver an experience at the opposite
>> pole of the Wow, becoming in this context a bitter disappointment for
>> Microsoft.
>> snip
>>
>>
>>

> I came to this newsgroup this morning to ask whether, after re-formatting
> my hard drive, I should install XPsp2 (home) or Vista Home Ultimate. Your
> post has given me food for thought.
>
> thanks
>
> John
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

If the computer can run Vista cleanly, and you have the software you need
that is compatible, I'd recommend Vista. It offers a much nicer user
experience IMO than XP.

-Phil

"//// Owen \\\\\\\\" wrote:

> vista claus wrote:
> > The truth about vista...
> >
> > http://keznews.com/3798_Forget_about_Vista_SP1__Just_Go_with_XP_SP3_and_Windows_7
> >
> > Windows Vista has managed to deliver an experience at the opposite
> > pole of the Wow, becoming in this context a bitter disappointment for
> > Microsoft.
> > snip
> >
> >
> >

> I came to this newsgroup this morning to ask whether, after re-formatting my
> hard drive, I should install XPsp2 (home) or Vista Home Ultimate. Your post
> has given me food for thought.
>
> thanks
>
> John
>
>
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7


"//// Owen \\\\" <mojowen@telus.net> wrote in message
news:rZb4j.34222$Zn.15983@edtnps90...
> vista claus wrote:
>> The truth about vista...
>>
>> http://keznews.com/3798_Forget_about_Vista_SP1__Just_Go_with_XP_SP3_and_Windows_7
>>
>> Windows Vista has managed to deliver an experience at the opposite
>> pole of the Wow, becoming in this context a bitter disappointment for
>> Microsoft.
>> snip
>>
>>
>>

> I came to this newsgroup this morning to ask whether, after re-formatting
> my hard drive, I should install XPsp2 (home) or Vista Home Ultimate. Your
> post has given me food for thought.
>
> thanks
>
> John

John
It has been assumed that you already had Vista installed and don't know
whether to reinstall or go back to XP SP2?
Which is it?

Antioch
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

In article <AF730715-3FD3-45AA-AF54-600004EA3AF3@microsoft.com>,
PhilBiker@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> I'd recommend Vista. It offers a much nicer user
> experience IMO than XP


"Nicer" at the expense of performance and compatibility.

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Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

Leythos wrote:
> In article <AF730715-3FD3-45AA-AF54-600004EA3AF3@microsoft.com>,
> PhilBiker@discussions.microsoft.com says...
>> I'd recommend Vista. It offers a much nicer user
>> experience IMO than XP


I do not want a "user experience" in the awful jargon of our time.

I just want a computer that starts fast and clean, supports my
apps and devices, and runs fast and predictably.

My brief confrontation with Vista tells me that ain't it.

Stay with XP.
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

88 Million licenses of Vista distributed is nothing to laugh at. It has only
been 1 year. The Christmas holidays is not even here year and as we enter
the second year of Vista being on the market more users will begin to deploy
and adopt the OS is larger masses. You have to understand that most
businesses are just testing and configuring the custom apps right now for
Vista. The uptake and renewal of Licensing 6.0 for many Company's has been
very healthy and every Company under Volume License contracts have access to
Vista and I am sure they will want to use it. They didn't pay hundreds of
thousands of dollars not to use Windows Vista.
--
Andre
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My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
"vista claus" <ber@dormi.co.uk> wrote in message
news:47513b2b@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> The truth about vista...
>
> http://keznews.com/3798_Forget_about_Vista_SP1__Just_Go_with_XP_SP3_and_Windows_7
>
> Windows Vista has managed to deliver an experience at the opposite pole of
> the Wow, becoming in this context a bitter disappointment for Microsoft.
>
> The Redmond company now has to deal with the very realistic perspective
> that customers will skip this generation of the Windows client entirely.
> And although the first service pack for Vista, currently cooking over at
> Microsoft and planned for the first quarter of 2008, could act as
> incentive to drive up the adoption of the operating system, the company is
> offering almost concomitantly the third and final service pack for Windows
> XP by the summer of next year. This move is effectively designed to take
> the wind out of Vista's sales, SP1 or no SP1.
>
> Wind? Did I say wind? I meant to say fading breeze. One year following the
> RTM of Vista, Microsoft's count of operating system licenses shipped into
> the channel was 88 million. The figure indicates with no doubt that Vista
> is selling. At least to general consumers. And that with the holiday
> seasons at the door, Microsoft might just hit and go over the 100 million
> sold copies milestone. But at the same time, the corporate environment is
> still timid when it comes to embracing Windows Vista. Recent studies made
> available by Forrester and King Research indicated that although Vista's
> uptake will pick up in 2008 with the advent of SP1, the vast majority of
> businesses have no plans whatsoever to migrate their environments to the
> latest Windows client. Microsoft even issued an official response to the
> King Research study.
>
> "Without having looked at the study, it's hard to know whether or not
> there's any selection bias. The Forrester report, other studies and our
> own internal data show that business adoption is on a normal trajectory
> for a new OS at this point in its life cycle, and we are seeing positive
> indicators in the market that more customers are seeing value in Windows
> Vista and are starting to plan, test or begin their deployments", the
> company commented according to Microsoft Watch.
>
> At the same time, inquiries from Silicon.com about Vista migration plans,
> addressed at 12 Chief Information Officers from major companies belonging
> to different markets, revealed that only one business actually had plans
> to move to the latest Windows platform in 2008 after SP1. The remaining
> respondents either discussed the possibility of migration starting with
> 2009, or indicated that they will ride out XP plus SP3 for all that the
> platform's got for three more years and move directly to Windows 7.
> Microsoft's position all this time is that ignoring Vista is an action
> equivalent with ignoring the inevitable.
>
> source: news.softpedia.com
>
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

vista claus wrote:


---more horsesh*t from capin' crunch----

Frank
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

Leythos wrote:
> In article <AF730715-3FD3-45AA-AF54-600004EA3AF3@microsoft.com>,
> PhilBiker@discussions.microsoft.com says...
>> I'd recommend Vista. It offers a much nicer user
>> experience IMO than XP

>
> "Nicer" at the expense of performance and compatibility.


Compatibility is not a Vista issue. Compatibility is an issue for *ware that
is not compatible with Vista.

Performance is likewise irrelevant. If the machine is not fast enough for
you, buy a faster machine. Raw speed is important only to gamers; for the
rest of us, throughput is the crucial characteristic.
 
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"nick" <nick@NOSPAM.ORG> wrote in message news:7ve4j.336$gi7.218@trnddc04...
> Leythos wrote:
>> In article <AF730715-3FD3-45AA-AF54-600004EA3AF3@microsoft.com>,
>> PhilBiker@discussions.microsoft.com says...
>>> I'd recommend Vista. It offers a much nicer user experience IMO than XP

>
> I do not want a "user experience" in the awful jargon of our time.
>
> I just want a computer that starts fast and clean, supports my
> apps and devices, and runs fast and predictably.
>
> My brief confrontation with Vista tells me that ain't it.
>
> Stay with XP.



Vista has done everything I have asked it to do, with no problems period.
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:50:51 -0600, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:

>Compatibility is not a Vista issue. Compatibility is an issue for *ware that
>is not compatible with Vista.



LOL
 
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"WaIIy" <eIvez@ChangeThisPart.com> wrote in message
news:u8c3l3p1jk2loabi6plndl3f5lp07stn64@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:50:51 -0600, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Compatibility is not a Vista issue. Compatibility is an issue for *ware
>>that
>>is not compatible with Vista.

>
>
> LOL


It's up to the vendor's software developers to make their software compliant
with Vista, just like that had to do with Windows XP after XP was released.
 
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"vista claus" <ber@dormi.co.uk> wrote in message
news:47513b2b@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> The truth about vista...
>
> http://keznews.com/3798_Forget_about_Vista_SP1__Just_Go_with_XP_SP3_and_Windows_7
>


Take this article, replace Vista references with XP, and replace XP
references
with Win2K or Win98, and we're where we were in 2002-03. Xp acceptance
didn't really get going until after SP1. Or maybe we can go back to
'95-'96,
and use Win95 vs Win3.1 or WFWG 3.11. What goes around, comes around.
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

vista claus wrote:

> The truth about vista...
>
>

http://keznews.com/3798_Forget_about_Vista_SP1__Just_Go_with_XP_SP3_and_Windows_7
>
> Windows Vista has managed to deliver an experience at the opposite pole of
> the Wow, becoming in this context a bitter disappointment for Microsoft.
>

The only "wow" left at Microsoft is this one ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nc4MzqBFxZE

Cheers.

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"nick" <nick@NOSPAM.ORG> wrote in message news:7ve4j.336$gi7.218@trnddc04...
> Leythos wrote:
>> In article <AF730715-3FD3-45AA-AF54-600004EA3AF3@microsoft.com>,
>> PhilBiker@discussions.microsoft.com says...
>>> I'd recommend Vista. It offers a much nicer user experience IMO than XP

>
> I do not want a "user experience" in the awful jargon of our time.
>
> I just want a computer that starts fast and clean, supports my
> apps and devices, and runs fast and predictably.
>

Vista does all that just fine here
 
Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

vista claus wrote:
>
> The Redmond company now has to deal with the very realistic perspective that
> customers will skip this generation of the Windows client entirely. And
> although the first service pack for Vista, currently cooking over at
> Microsoft and planned for the first quarter of 2008, could act as incentive
> to drive up the adoption of the operating system, the company is offering


No big deal. As it's always been best to wait for the second edition of
ANY MS OS before you use it. That is common knowlege.





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Re: Forget about Vista SP1, Just Go with XP SP3 and Windows 7

On 3 Dec 2007 01:26:08 -0600, Plato <|@|.|> wrote:


> No big deal. As it's always been best to wait for the second edition of
> ANY MS OS before you use it. That is common knowlege.



Yes, and like so much "common" knowledge, it's completely wrong.

Any piece of software should be judged on its merits, not on some
predetermined fake "rule" like that.

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