Adding an 2nd TSS (2003)

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Hi,

I need to split off (not really load balancing) half our our organization
from our existing TS, which houses an application (a real drag) to a new TSS(
2003 Standard R2) to relieve some of the burden from the Application/TS
server. This is a medium term fix. I'm in a real bind, given the current
application and Hardware resources i'm supprised its working at all.

So, how do I have an additional TSS share resources from an Application
server (again, the new TSS will not have the application loaded)?

Thanks,

David
 
Re: Adding an 2nd TSS (2003)

If the application can be run from a file server, you could sinply
create a shortcut on the second TS and point it to the application
on the first TS. Otherwise, you'll have to install the application
on the second TS.
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 01
dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Hi,
>
> I need to split off (not really load balancing) half our our
> organization from our existing TS, which houses an application
> (a real drag) to a new TSS( 2003 Standard R2) to relieve some of
> the burden from the Application/TS server. This is a medium term
> fix. I'm in a real bind, given the current application and
> Hardware resources i'm supprised its working at all.
>
> So, how do I have an additional TSS share resources from an
> Application server (again, the new TSS will not have the
> application loaded)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
 
Re: Adding an 2nd TSS (2003)

Thank you for your assistance on this troublesome matter.
I did try you suggestion, by adding a shortcut to the new TSS won't that
cause more network traffic than accessing the application directly? shouldn't
terminal services should be a standalone server w/o applications to burden
its resources. In my case I have a application that utilizes SQL 2005. Also
I have 100 users. the users also have the ability to access websites through
the applicaiton. By adding more TSS cant i effectivly share the load of the
termimal services connections w/o installing the same application on mutiple
TSS? is it possible to have the TSS point to the applicaiton server through
(and I 'm guesing) a pipe or ODBC coneciton?


I really appricate your assistance I cant thank you enough.

David

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> If the application can be run from a file server, you could sinply
> create a shortcut on the second TS and point it to the application
> on the first TS. Otherwise, you'll have to install the application
> on the second TS.
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 01
> dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I need to split off (not really load balancing) half our our
> > organization from our existing TS, which houses an application
> > (a real drag) to a new TSS( 2003 Standard R2) to relieve some of
> > the burden from the Application/TS server. This is a medium term
> > fix. I'm in a real bind, given the current application and
> > Hardware resources i'm supprised its working at all.
> >
> > So, how do I have an additional TSS share resources from an
> > Application server (again, the new TSS will not have the
> > application loaded)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David

>
 
Re: Adding an 2nd TSS (2003)

You didn't mention any specific details about the application in
your first post, so you got a *very* general answer.

I am puzzled by your statement:
> shouldn't terminal services should be a
> standalone server w/o applications to burden its resources.


A Terminal Server is *designed* to run user applications, that is
it's sole task!

I am still not sure at all about your environment. Can you explain
what your current Terminal Server is doing? And do you have a
separate SQL server? Which server hosts the SQL frontend
application? To which server do your users connect, and what do
they do on that server?
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 02
dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Thank you for your assistance on this troublesome matter.
> I did try you suggestion, by adding a shortcut to the new TSS
> won't that cause more network traffic than accessing the
> application directly? shouldn't terminal services should be a
> standalone server w/o applications to burden its resources. In
> my case I have a application that utilizes SQL 2005. Also I
> have 100 users. the users also have the ability to access
> websites through the applicaiton. By adding more TSS cant i
> effectivly share the load of the termimal services connections
> w/o installing the same application on mutiple TSS? is it
> possible to have the TSS point to the applicaiton server
> through (and I 'm guesing) a pipe or ODBC coneciton?
>
>
> I really appricate your assistance I cant thank you enough.
>
> David
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> If the application can be run from a file server, you could
>> sinply create a shortcut on the second TS and point it to the
>> application on the first TS. Otherwise, you'll have to install
>> the application on the second TS.
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>
>> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
>> 01 dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I need to split off (not really load balancing) half our our
>> > organization from our existing TS, which houses an
>> > application (a real drag) to a new TSS( 2003 Standard R2) to
>> > relieve some of the burden from the Application/TS server.
>> > This is a medium term fix. I'm in a real bind, given the
>> > current application and Hardware resources i'm supprised its
>> > working at all.
>> >
>> > So, how do I have an additional TSS share resources from an
>> > Application server (again, the new TSS will not have the
>> > application loaded)?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > David
 
Re: Adding an 2nd TSS (2003)

Vera,

Sorry for the confusion, I have inherited my problem w/o any real TSS
background knowledge.

I have a 100 users (windows 2000 server) that connect to a grossly
underpowered to a single server that houses a front end and back end
application. This is also the Terminal Services server. Yes I cringe at the
thought of this on a daily basis.

Along with the front end application (on the TS server) is a polling service
that processes exported data into the back end application (SQL 2005 DB) from
our remote locations.

I have already split off its polling client which does the lions share for
the processing (works in tandum with Polling serrvice) onto another server.

The front end application also allows for web access to vendors.

The back end houses SQL 2005 32 bit where the db resides.
Users are contantly running calls via crystal reports from the DB.

What I thought I could do is to split off terminal services to a stand alone
server.
Then split off the front end applicaiton, pollling services and client onto
another seperate server, and have the backend application remain on the
orginial server. then as more users are included into the mix I could add
additonal TSS to form a bit of a cluster. This would seem a more efficient
way to run TS. Also if I wanted to centrally house other applicaitons for
all users to access, i would not run into the same problem.

How would I connect via TSS to an applicaion server without installing the
front end applicaiton on the actual TSS?

Am I way off the mark, or is this possible? What do you suggest?

Again, thanks for help

David

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> You didn't mention any specific details about the application in
> your first post, so you got a *very* general answer.
>
> I am puzzled by your statement:
> > shouldn't terminal services should be a
> > standalone server w/o applications to burden its resources.

>
> A Terminal Server is *designed* to run user applications, that is
> it's sole task!
>
> I am still not sure at all about your environment. Can you explain
> what your current Terminal Server is doing? And do you have a
> separate SQL server? Which server hosts the SQL frontend
> application? To which server do your users connect, and what do
> they do on that server?
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 02
> dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > Thank you for your assistance on this troublesome matter.
> > I did try you suggestion, by adding a shortcut to the new TSS
> > won't that cause more network traffic than accessing the
> > application directly? shouldn't terminal services should be a
> > standalone server w/o applications to burden its resources. In
> > my case I have a application that utilizes SQL 2005. Also I
> > have 100 users. the users also have the ability to access
> > websites through the applicaiton. By adding more TSS cant i
> > effectivly share the load of the termimal services connections
> > w/o installing the same application on mutiple TSS? is it
> > possible to have the TSS point to the applicaiton server
> > through (and I 'm guesing) a pipe or ODBC coneciton?
> >
> >
> > I really appricate your assistance I cant thank you enough.
> >
> > David
> >
> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> If the application can be run from a file server, you could
> >> sinply create a shortcut on the second TS and point it to the
> >> application on the first TS. Otherwise, you'll have to install
> >> the application on the second TS.
> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> Vera Noest
> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> >>
> >> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
> >> 01 dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I need to split off (not really load balancing) half our our
> >> > organization from our existing TS, which houses an
> >> > application (a real drag) to a new TSS( 2003 Standard R2) to
> >> > relieve some of the burden from the Application/TS server.
> >> > This is a medium term fix. I'm in a real bind, given the
> >> > current application and Hardware resources i'm supprised its
> >> > working at all.
> >> >
> >> > So, how do I have an additional TSS share resources from an
> >> > Application server (again, the new TSS will not have the
> >> > application loaded)?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > David

>
 
Re: Adding an 2nd TSS (2003)

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"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> You didn't mention any specific details about the application in
> your first post, so you got a *very* general answer.
>
> I am puzzled by your statement:
> > shouldn't terminal services should be a
> > standalone server w/o applications to burden its resources.

>
> A Terminal Server is *designed* to run user applications, that is
> it's sole task!
>
> I am still not sure at all about your environment. Can you explain
> what your current Terminal Server is doing? And do you have a
> separate SQL server? Which server hosts the SQL frontend
> application? To which server do your users connect, and what do
> they do on that server?
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 02
> dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > Thank you for your assistance on this troublesome matter.
> > I did try you suggestion, by adding a shortcut to the new TSS
> > won't that cause more network traffic than accessing the
> > application directly? shouldn't terminal services should be a
> > standalone server w/o applications to burden its resources. In
> > my case I have a application that utilizes SQL 2005. Also I
> > have 100 users. the users also have the ability to access
> > websites through the applicaiton. By adding more TSS cant i
> > effectivly share the load of the termimal services connections
> > w/o installing the same application on mutiple TSS? is it
> > possible to have the TSS point to the applicaiton server
> > through (and I 'm guesing) a pipe or ODBC coneciton?
> >
> >
> > I really appricate your assistance I cant thank you enough.
> >
> > David
> >
> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> If the application can be run from a file server, you could
> >> sinply create a shortcut on the second TS and point it to the
> >> application on the first TS. Otherwise, you'll have to install
> >> the application on the second TS.
> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> Vera Noest
> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> >>
> >> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
> >> 01 dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I need to split off (not really load balancing) half our our
> >> > organization from our existing TS, which houses an
> >> > application (a real drag) to a new TSS( 2003 Standard R2) to
> >> > relieve some of the burden from the Application/TS server.
> >> > This is a medium term fix. I'm in a real bind, given the
> >> > current application and Hardware resources i'm supprised its
> >> > working at all.
> >> >
> >> > So, how do I have an additional TSS share resources from an
> >> > Application server (again, the new TSS will not have the
> >> > application loaded)?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > David

>
 
Re: Adding an 2nd TSS (2003)

To start with your last question:
> How would I connect via TSS to an applicaion server without
> installing the front end applicaiton on the actual TSS?


That's not how you would use a Terminal Server.

This is the normal setup:

one or more Terminal Servers, to which users connect. On these TS,
you install the front-end application, separately and identical on
each of them. Users run the frontend application on the TS. The
front-end application connects to the SQL server which houses the
database. How that is done depends on the application, an ODBC
connection is one method.

You would have to contact the application developer / vendor to
make sure that the application can be setup this way.

_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 04
dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Vera,
>
> Sorry for the confusion, I have inherited my problem w/o any
> real TSS background knowledge.
>
> I have a 100 users (windows 2000 server) that connect to a
> grossly underpowered to a single server that houses a front end
> and back end application. This is also the Terminal Services
> server. Yes I cringe at the thought of this on a daily basis.
>
> Along with the front end application (on the TS server) is a
> polling service that processes exported data into the back end
> application (SQL 2005 DB) from our remote locations.
>
> I have already split off its polling client which does the lions
> share for the processing (works in tandum with Polling serrvice)
> onto another server.
>
> The front end application also allows for web access to vendors.
>
> The back end houses SQL 2005 32 bit where the db resides.
> Users are contantly running calls via crystal reports from the
> DB.
>
> What I thought I could do is to split off terminal services to a
> stand alone server.
> Then split off the front end applicaiton, pollling services and
> client onto another seperate server, and have the backend
> application remain on the orginial server. then as more users
> are included into the mix I could add additonal TSS to form a
> bit of a cluster. This would seem a more efficient way to run
> TS. Also if I wanted to centrally house other applicaitons for
> all users to access, i would not run into the same problem.
>
> How would I connect via TSS to an applicaion server without
> installing the front end applicaiton on the actual TSS?
>
> Am I way off the mark, or is this possible? What do you suggest?
>
> Again, thanks for help
>
> David
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> You didn't mention any specific details about the application
>> in your first post, so you got a *very* general answer.
>>
>> I am puzzled by your statement:
>> > shouldn't terminal services should be a
>> > standalone server w/o applications to burden its resources.

>>
>> A Terminal Server is *designed* to run user applications, that
>> is it's sole task!
>>
>> I am still not sure at all about your environment. Can you
>> explain what your current Terminal Server is doing? And do you
>> have a separate SQL server? Which server hosts the SQL frontend
>> application? To which server do your users connect, and what do
>> they do on that server?
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>
>> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
>> 02 dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>> > Thank you for your assistance on this troublesome matter.
>> > I did try you suggestion, by adding a shortcut to the new TSS
>> > won't that cause more network traffic than accessing the
>> > application directly? shouldn't terminal services should be a
>> > standalone server w/o applications to burden its resources.
>> > In my case I have a application that utilizes SQL 2005. Also
>> > I have 100 users. the users also have the ability to access
>> > websites through the applicaiton. By adding more TSS cant i
>> > effectivly share the load of the termimal services
>> > connections w/o installing the same application on mutiple
>> > TSS? is it possible to have the TSS point to the applicaiton
>> > server through (and I 'm guesing) a pipe or ODBC coneciton?
>> >
>> >
>> > I really appricate your assistance I cant thank you enough.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> If the application can be run from a file server, you could
>> >> sinply create a shortcut on the second TS and point it to
>> >> the application on the first TS. Otherwise, you'll have to
>> >> install the application on the second TS.
>> >> _________________________________________________________
>> >> Vera Noest
>> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>> >>
>> >> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>> >> on 01 dec 2007 in
>> >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I need to split off (not really load balancing) half our
>> >> > our organization from our existing TS, which houses an
>> >> > application (a real drag) to a new TSS( 2003 Standard R2)
>> >> > to relieve some of the burden from the Application/TS
>> >> > server. This is a medium term fix. I'm in a real bind,
>> >> > given the current application and Hardware resources i'm
>> >> > supprised its working at all.
>> >> >
>> >> > So, how do I have an additional TSS share resources from
>> >> > an Application server (again, the new TSS will not have
>> >> > the application loaded)?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > David
 
Re: Adding an 2nd TSS (2003)

Vera,

Thank you and again I applogize fro my inexperience in TSS
I'll get better as I muddle my way throught this.

David

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> To start with your last question:
> > How would I connect via TSS to an applicaion server without
> > installing the front end applicaiton on the actual TSS?

>
> That's not how you would use a Terminal Server.
>
> This is the normal setup:
>
> one or more Terminal Servers, to which users connect. On these TS,
> you install the front-end application, separately and identical on
> each of them. Users run the frontend application on the TS. The
> front-end application connects to the SQL server which houses the
> database. How that is done depends on the application, an ODBC
> connection is one method.
>
> You would have to contact the application developer / vendor to
> make sure that the application can be setup this way.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 04
> dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > Vera,
> >
> > Sorry for the confusion, I have inherited my problem w/o any
> > real TSS background knowledge.
> >
> > I have a 100 users (windows 2000 server) that connect to a
> > grossly underpowered to a single server that houses a front end
> > and back end application. This is also the Terminal Services
> > server. Yes I cringe at the thought of this on a daily basis.
> >
> > Along with the front end application (on the TS server) is a
> > polling service that processes exported data into the back end
> > application (SQL 2005 DB) from our remote locations.
> >
> > I have already split off its polling client which does the lions
> > share for the processing (works in tandum with Polling serrvice)
> > onto another server.
> >
> > The front end application also allows for web access to vendors.
> >
> > The back end houses SQL 2005 32 bit where the db resides.
> > Users are contantly running calls via crystal reports from the
> > DB.
> >
> > What I thought I could do is to split off terminal services to a
> > stand alone server.
> > Then split off the front end applicaiton, pollling services and
> > client onto another seperate server, and have the backend
> > application remain on the orginial server. then as more users
> > are included into the mix I could add additonal TSS to form a
> > bit of a cluster. This would seem a more efficient way to run
> > TS. Also if I wanted to centrally house other applicaitons for
> > all users to access, i would not run into the same problem.
> >
> > How would I connect via TSS to an applicaion server without
> > installing the front end applicaiton on the actual TSS?
> >
> > Am I way off the mark, or is this possible? What do you suggest?
> >
> > Again, thanks for help
> >
> > David
> >
> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> You didn't mention any specific details about the application
> >> in your first post, so you got a *very* general answer.
> >>
> >> I am puzzled by your statement:
> >> > shouldn't terminal services should be a
> >> > standalone server w/o applications to burden its resources.
> >>
> >> A Terminal Server is *designed* to run user applications, that
> >> is it's sole task!
> >>
> >> I am still not sure at all about your environment. Can you
> >> explain what your current Terminal Server is doing? And do you
> >> have a separate SQL server? Which server hosts the SQL frontend
> >> application? To which server do your users connect, and what do
> >> they do on that server?
> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> Vera Noest
> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> >>
> >> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
> >> 02 dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> >>
> >> > Thank you for your assistance on this troublesome matter.
> >> > I did try you suggestion, by adding a shortcut to the new TSS
> >> > won't that cause more network traffic than accessing the
> >> > application directly? shouldn't terminal services should be a
> >> > standalone server w/o applications to burden its resources.
> >> > In my case I have a application that utilizes SQL 2005. Also
> >> > I have 100 users. the users also have the ability to access
> >> > websites through the applicaiton. By adding more TSS cant i
> >> > effectivly share the load of the termimal services
> >> > connections w/o installing the same application on mutiple
> >> > TSS? is it possible to have the TSS point to the applicaiton
> >> > server through (and I 'm guesing) a pipe or ODBC coneciton?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I really appricate your assistance I cant thank you enough.
> >> >
> >> > David
> >> >
> >> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If the application can be run from a file server, you could
> >> >> sinply create a shortcut on the second TS and point it to
> >> >> the application on the first TS. Otherwise, you'll have to
> >> >> install the application on the second TS.
> >> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> >> Vera Noest
> >> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> >> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> >> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> >> >>
> >> >> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> >> >> on 01 dec 2007 in
> >> >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I need to split off (not really load balancing) half our
> >> >> > our organization from our existing TS, which houses an
> >> >> > application (a real drag) to a new TSS( 2003 Standard R2)
> >> >> > to relieve some of the burden from the Application/TS
> >> >> > server. This is a medium term fix. I'm in a real bind,
> >> >> > given the current application and Hardware resources i'm
> >> >> > supprised its working at all.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, how do I have an additional TSS share resources from
> >> >> > an Application server (again, the new TSS will not have
> >> >> > the application loaded)?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > David

>
 
Re: Adding an 2nd TSS (2003)

No problem, David, we've all learned by asking questions, so feel
free to come back here if you need more help.
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 04
dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Vera,
>
> Thank you and again I applogize fro my inexperience in TSS
> I'll get better as I muddle my way throught this.
>
> David
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> To start with your last question:
>> > How would I connect via TSS to an applicaion server without
>> > installing the front end applicaiton on the actual TSS?

>>
>> That's not how you would use a Terminal Server.
>>
>> This is the normal setup:
>>
>> one or more Terminal Servers, to which users connect. On these
>> TS, you install the front-end application, separately and
>> identical on each of them. Users run the frontend application
>> on the TS. The front-end application connects to the SQL server
>> which houses the database. How that is done depends on the
>> application, an ODBC connection is one method.
>>
>> You would have to contact the application developer / vendor to
>> make sure that the application can be setup this way.
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>
>> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
>> 04 dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>> > Vera,
>> >
>> > Sorry for the confusion, I have inherited my problem w/o any
>> > real TSS background knowledge.
>> >
>> > I have a 100 users (windows 2000 server) that connect to a
>> > grossly underpowered to a single server that houses a front
>> > end and back end application. This is also the Terminal
>> > Services server. Yes I cringe at the thought of this on a
>> > daily basis.
>> >
>> > Along with the front end application (on the TS server) is a
>> > polling service that processes exported data into the back
>> > end application (SQL 2005 DB) from our remote locations.
>> >
>> > I have already split off its polling client which does the
>> > lions share for the processing (works in tandum with Polling
>> > serrvice) onto another server.
>> >
>> > The front end application also allows for web access to
>> > vendors.
>> >
>> > The back end houses SQL 2005 32 bit where the db resides.
>> > Users are contantly running calls via crystal reports from
>> > the DB.
>> >
>> > What I thought I could do is to split off terminal services
>> > to a stand alone server.
>> > Then split off the front end applicaiton, pollling services
>> > and client onto another seperate server, and have the backend
>> > application remain on the orginial server. then as more users
>> > are included into the mix I could add additonal TSS to form a
>> > bit of a cluster. This would seem a more efficient way to
>> > run TS. Also if I wanted to centrally house other
>> > applicaitons for all users to access, i would not run into
>> > the same problem.
>> >
>> > How would I connect via TSS to an applicaion server without
>> > installing the front end applicaiton on the actual TSS?
>> >
>> > Am I way off the mark, or is this possible? What do you
>> > suggest?
>> >
>> > Again, thanks for help
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You didn't mention any specific details about the
>> >> application in your first post, so you got a *very* general
>> >> answer.
>> >>
>> >> I am puzzled by your statement:
>> >> > shouldn't terminal services should be a
>> >> > standalone server w/o applications to burden its
>> >> > resources.
>> >>
>> >> A Terminal Server is *designed* to run user applications,
>> >> that is it's sole task!
>> >>
>> >> I am still not sure at all about your environment. Can you
>> >> explain what your current Terminal Server is doing? And do
>> >> you have a separate SQL server? Which server hosts the SQL
>> >> frontend application? To which server do your users connect,
>> >> and what do they do on that server?
>> >> _________________________________________________________
>> >> Vera Noest
>> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>> >>
>> >> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>> >> on 02 dec 2007 in
>> >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>> >>
>> >> > Thank you for your assistance on this troublesome matter.
>> >> > I did try you suggestion, by adding a shortcut to the new
>> >> > TSS won't that cause more network traffic than accessing
>> >> > the application directly? shouldn't terminal services
>> >> > should be a standalone server w/o applications to burden
>> >> > its resources. In my case I have a application that
>> >> > utilizes SQL 2005. Also I have 100 users. the users also
>> >> > have the ability to access websites through the
>> >> > applicaiton. By adding more TSS cant i effectivly share
>> >> > the load of the termimal services connections w/o
>> >> > installing the same application on mutiple TSS? is it
>> >> > possible to have the TSS point to the applicaiton
>> >> > server through (and I 'm guesing) a pipe or ODBC
>> >> > coneciton?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I really appricate your assistance I cant thank you
>> >> > enough.
>> >> >
>> >> > David
>> >> >
>> >> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> If the application can be run from a file server, you
>> >> >> could sinply create a shortcut on the second TS and point
>> >> >> it to the application on the first TS. Otherwise, you'll
>> >> >> have to install the application on the second TS.
>> >> >> _________________________________________________________
>> >> >> Vera Noest
>> >> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> >> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> >> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>> >> >>
>> >> >> =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQ=?= <David@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> >> >> wrote on 01 dec 2007 in
>> >> >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Hi,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I need to split off (not really load balancing) half
>> >> >> > our our organization from our existing TS, which houses
>> >> >> > an application (a real drag) to a new TSS( 2003
>> >> >> > Standard R2) to relieve some of the burden from the
>> >> >> > Application/TS server. This is a medium term fix. I'm
>> >> >> > in a real bind, given the current application and
>> >> >> > Hardware resources i'm supprised its working at all.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So, how do I have an additional TSS share resources
>> >> >> > from an Application server (again, the new TSS will not
>> >> >> > have the application loaded)?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > David
 
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