Remote backup server for disaster recovery

[GerryA]

I need some advice regarding a project to create a remote server that users
can access in the event of a disaster that causes access to the main server
to be unavailable. The scenario is that in the event of a pending disaster
some employees will relocate and access the main server/office remotely. If
this remote access becomes affected by the disaster then the users will
switch to the alternate server in a remote location. I am looking for advice
as to how best to configure the remote server, do i add it to the existing
Domain and then restore the data to it?
My current train of though is that the servers will not be linked after the
original configuration and relocation of the backup server, what will happen
is that the remote server will only be turned on when needed and the data
restored to it. The data is currently being backed up by a service that will
also house the remote server therefore restoration of the data should not be
too much of an issue.
Any advice is greatfully accepted.

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Re: Remote backup server for disaster recovery

GerryA <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> I need some advice regarding a project to create a remote server that
> users can access in the event of a disaster that causes access to the
> main server to be unavailable. The scenario is that in the event of a
> pending disaster some employees will relocate and access the main
> server/office remotely. If this remote access becomes affected by the
> disaster then the users will switch to the alternate server in a
> remote location. I am looking for advice as to how best to configure
> the remote server, do i add it to the existing Domain and then
> restore the data to it?
> My current train of though is that the servers will not be linked
> after the original configuration and relocation of the backup server,
> what will happen is that the remote server will only be turned on
> when needed and the data restored to it. The data is currently being
> backed up by a service that will also house the remote server
> therefore restoration of the data should not be too much of an issue.
> Any advice is greatfully accepted.

Since you already have an online backup service....what do *they* say about
this? Will they back up system state, etc? What else do you run on the main
server?

If you can configure a hardware-based VPN link, or leased line connection,
between the two locations, you can add the other machine as a DC/DNS/GC, and
use DFS or other means (even the lowly robocopy) to get your data onto the
secondary box.

 

[Anthony]

Re: Remote backup server for disaster recovery

GerryA,
You can just set the server up as a live site. AD will replicate and give
you a fallback server. DFSR can be used to replicate data.
Anthony
http://www.airdesk.co.uk

"GerryA" <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C5D36E1C-B51A-4562-A4BF-78574B42861E@microsoft.com...
>I need some advice regarding a project to create a remote server that users
> can access in the event of a disaster that causes access to the main
> server
> to be unavailable. The scenario is that in the event of a pending disaster
> some employees will relocate and access the main server/office remotely.
> If
> this remote access becomes affected by the disaster then the users will
> switch to the alternate server in a remote location. I am looking for
> advice
> as to how best to configure the remote server, do i add it to the existing
> Domain and then restore the data to it?
> My current train of though is that the servers will not be linked after
> the
> original configuration and relocation of the backup server, what will
> happen
> is that the remote server will only be turned on when needed and the data
> restored to it. The data is currently being backed up by a service that
> will
> also house the remote server therefore restoration of the data should not
> be
> too much of an issue.
> Any advice is greatfully accepted.

 

[GerryA]

Re: Remote backup server for disaster recovery

Ok, thanks for the reply. I understand that AD will replicate to the new
server but what is DFSR and will it work over a 1MB WAN link? Forgive my
ignorance.

"Anthony" wrote:

> GerryA,
> You can just set the server up as a live site. AD will replicate and give
> you a fallback server. DFSR can be used to replicate data.
> Anthony
> http://www.airdesk.co.uk
>
> "GerryA" <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C5D36E1C-B51A-4562-A4BF-78574B42861E@microsoft.com...
> >I need some advice regarding a project to create a remote server that users
> > can access in the event of a disaster that causes access to the main
> > server
> > to be unavailable. The scenario is that in the event of a pending disaster
> > some employees will relocate and access the main server/office remotely.
> > If
> > this remote access becomes affected by the disaster then the users will
> > switch to the alternate server in a remote location. I am looking for
> > advice
> > as to how best to configure the remote server, do i add it to the existing
> > Domain and then restore the data to it?
> > My current train of though is that the servers will not be linked after
> > the
> > original configuration and relocation of the backup server, what will
> > happen
> > is that the remote server will only be turned on when needed and the data
> > restored to it. The data is currently being backed up by a service that
> > will
> > also house the remote server therefore restoration of the data should not
> > be
> > too much of an issue.
> > Any advice is greatfully accepted.
>
>
>

 

[GerryA]

Re: Remote backup server for disaster recovery

ok, thanks for the response. You guys really like these acronyms and have me
a bit at a loss sometimes with them. Please bear with me here, what do you
mean by "GC" and "DFS". The main server does run a client sever based
application (Accpac) so that will have to be installed and configured. What
are the licensing issuses related to this type of arrangement?
My original plan is to install Windows 2003 and configure it with the
necessary software etc then restore current data from the exisiting server
and run some tests before moving the server to the remote location. Is that a
viable plan? The restoring of data is something that we have to initiate
ourselves as far as I know but I will have to check into that further.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

> GerryA <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > I need some advice regarding a project to create a remote server that
> > users can access in the event of a disaster that causes access to the
> > main server to be unavailable. The scenario is that in the event of a
> > pending disaster some employees will relocate and access the main
> > server/office remotely. If this remote access becomes affected by the
> > disaster then the users will switch to the alternate server in a
> > remote location. I am looking for advice as to how best to configure
> > the remote server, do i add it to the existing Domain and then
> > restore the data to it?
> > My current train of though is that the servers will not be linked
> > after the original configuration and relocation of the backup server,
> > what will happen is that the remote server will only be turned on
> > when needed and the data restored to it. The data is currently being
> > backed up by a service that will also house the remote server
> > therefore restoration of the data should not be too much of an issue.
> > Any advice is greatfully accepted.
>
> Since you already have an online backup service....what do *they* say about
> this? Will they back up system state, etc? What else do you run on the main
> server?
>
> If you can configure a hardware-based VPN link, or leased line connection,
> between the two locations, you can add the other machine as a DC/DNS/GC, and
> use DFS or other means (even the lowly robocopy) to get your data onto the
> secondary box.
>
>
>

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Re: Remote backup server for disaster recovery

GerryA <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> ok, thanks for the response. You guys really like these acronyms and
> have me a bit at a loss sometimes with them. Please bear with me
> here, what do you mean by "GC"

Global Catalog server

> and "DFS".

Distributed File System:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/storage/dfs/default.mspx


> The main server does run a
> client sever based application (Accpac) so that will have to be
> installed and configured. What are the licensing issuses related to
> this type of arrangement?

If you have R2 I *believe* you're allowed to have a cold standby server, but
for any and all licensing questions, it's best to ask MS or a reseller
directly.


> My original plan is to install Windows 2003 and configure it with the
> necessary software etc then restore current data from the exisiting
> server and run some tests before moving the server to the remote
> location. Is that a viable plan? The restoring of data is something
> that we have to initiate ourselves as far as I know but I will have
> to check into that further.

You might look into www.intronis.com as an alternative. It can do system
state backups, etc.
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>
>> GerryA <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> I need some advice regarding a project to create a remote server
>>> that users can access in the event of a disaster that causes access
>>> to the main server to be unavailable. The scenario is that in the
>>> event of a pending disaster some employees will relocate and access
>>> the main server/office remotely. If this remote access becomes
>>> affected by the disaster then the users will switch to the
>>> alternate server in a remote location. I am looking for advice as
>>> to how best to configure the remote server, do i add it to the
>>> existing Domain and then restore the data to it?
>>> My current train of though is that the servers will not be linked
>>> after the original configuration and relocation of the backup
>>> server, what will happen is that the remote server will only be
>>> turned on when needed and the data restored to it. The data is
>>> currently being backed up by a service that will also house the
>>> remote server therefore restoration of the data should not be too
>>> much of an issue. Any advice is greatfully accepted.
>>
>> Since you already have an online backup service....what do *they*
>> say about this? Will they back up system state, etc? What else do
>> you run on the main server?
>>
>> If you can configure a hardware-based VPN link, or leased line
>> connection, between the two locations, you can add the other machine
>> as a DC/DNS/GC, and use DFS or other means (even the lowly robocopy)
>> to get your data onto the secondary box.

 

[GerryA]

Re: Remote backup server for disaster recovery

Wow, thanks, lots more reading for me now! Here we go again. Thanks for your
help, I am sure I will have more questions after this after I wade through
this information.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

> GerryA <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > ok, thanks for the response. You guys really like these acronyms and
> > have me a bit at a loss sometimes with them. Please bear with me
> > here, what do you mean by "GC"
>
> Global Catalog server
>
> > and "DFS".
>
> Distributed File System:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/storage/dfs/default.mspx
>
>
> > The main server does run a
> > client sever based application (Accpac) so that will have to be
> > installed and configured. What are the licensing issuses related to
> > this type of arrangement?
>
> If you have R2 I *believe* you're allowed to have a cold standby server, but
> for any and all licensing questions, it's best to ask MS or a reseller
> directly.
>
>
> > My original plan is to install Windows 2003 and configure it with the
> > necessary software etc then restore current data from the exisiting
> > server and run some tests before moving the server to the remote
> > location. Is that a viable plan? The restoring of data is something
> > that we have to initiate ourselves as far as I know but I will have
> > to check into that further.
>
> You might look into www.intronis.com as an alternative. It can do system
> state backups, etc.
> >
> > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
> >
> >> GerryA <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>> I need some advice regarding a project to create a remote server
> >>> that users can access in the event of a disaster that causes access
> >>> to the main server to be unavailable. The scenario is that in the
> >>> event of a pending disaster some employees will relocate and access
> >>> the main server/office remotely. If this remote access becomes
> >>> affected by the disaster then the users will switch to the
> >>> alternate server in a remote location. I am looking for advice as
> >>> to how best to configure the remote server, do i add it to the
> >>> existing Domain and then restore the data to it?
> >>> My current train of though is that the servers will not be linked
> >>> after the original configuration and relocation of the backup
> >>> server, what will happen is that the remote server will only be
> >>> turned on when needed and the data restored to it. The data is
> >>> currently being backed up by a service that will also house the
> >>> remote server therefore restoration of the data should not be too
> >>> much of an issue. Any advice is greatfully accepted.
> >>
> >> Since you already have an online backup service....what do *they*
> >> say about this? Will they back up system state, etc? What else do
> >> you run on the main server?
> >>
> >> If you can configure a hardware-based VPN link, or leased line
> >> connection, between the two locations, you can add the other machine
> >> as a DC/DNS/GC, and use DFS or other means (even the lowly robocopy)
> >> to get your data onto the secondary box.
>
>
>
>

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Re: Remote backup server for disaster recovery

GerryA <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Wow, thanks, lots more reading for me now! Here we go again. Thanks
> for your help, I am sure I will have more questions after this after
> I wade through this information.

You're most welcome. Have fun storming the castle!
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>
>> GerryA <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> ok, thanks for the response. You guys really like these acronyms and
>>> have me a bit at a loss sometimes with them. Please bear with me
>>> here, what do you mean by "GC"
>>
>> Global Catalog server
>>
>>> and "DFS".
>>
>> Distributed File System:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/storage/dfs/default.mspx
>>
>>
>>> The main server does run a
>>> client sever based application (Accpac) so that will have to be
>>> installed and configured. What are the licensing issuses related to
>>> this type of arrangement?
>>
>> If you have R2 I *believe* you're allowed to have a cold standby
>> server, but for any and all licensing questions, it's best to ask MS
>> or a reseller directly.
>>
>>
>>> My original plan is to install Windows 2003 and configure it with
>>> the necessary software etc then restore current data from the
>>> exisiting server and run some tests before moving the server to the
>>> remote location. Is that a viable plan? The restoring of data is
>>> something that we have to initiate ourselves as far as I know but I
>>> will have to check into that further.
>>
>> You might look into www.intronis.com as an alternative. It can do
>> system state backups, etc.
>>>
>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> GerryA <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> I need some advice regarding a project to create a remote server
>>>>> that users can access in the event of a disaster that causes
>>>>> access to the main server to be unavailable. The scenario is that
>>>>> in the event of a pending disaster some employees will relocate
>>>>> and access the main server/office remotely. If this remote access
>>>>> becomes affected by the disaster then the users will switch to the
>>>>> alternate server in a remote location. I am looking for advice as
>>>>> to how best to configure the remote server, do i add it to the
>>>>> existing Domain and then restore the data to it?
>>>>> My current train of though is that the servers will not be linked
>>>>> after the original configuration and relocation of the backup
>>>>> server, what will happen is that the remote server will only be
>>>>> turned on when needed and the data restored to it. The data is
>>>>> currently being backed up by a service that will also house the
>>>>> remote server therefore restoration of the data should not be too
>>>>> much of an issue. Any advice is greatfully accepted.
>>>>
>>>> Since you already have an online backup service....what do *they*
>>>> say about this? Will they back up system state, etc? What else do
>>>> you run on the main server?
>>>>
>>>> If you can configure a hardware-based VPN link, or leased line
>>>> connection, between the two locations, you can add the other
>>>> machine as a DC/DNS/GC, and use DFS or other means (even the lowly
>>>> robocopy) to get your data onto the secondary box.

 

[Anthony]

Re: Remote backup server for disaster recovery

DFS-Replication will work fine over 1MB, after the initial synch. It depends
on the volume of course, but you have to get the backup copy of data there
somehow. There is no getting round that (except if you had a lot of changing
data you may have to ship the tapes off site and do a restore from tape).
Anthony
http://www.airdesk.co.uk



"GerryA" <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5823C8BC-0D4A-44E9-B735-191B50647DDD@microsoft.com...
> Ok, thanks for the reply. I understand that AD will replicate to the new
> server but what is DFSR and will it work over a 1MB WAN link? Forgive my
> ignorance.
>
> "Anthony" wrote:
>
>> GerryA,
>> You can just set the server up as a live site. AD will replicate and give
>> you a fallback server. DFSR can be used to replicate data.
>> Anthony
>> http://www.airdesk.co.uk
>>
>> "GerryA" <GerryA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C5D36E1C-B51A-4562-A4BF-78574B42861E@microsoft.com...
>> >I need some advice regarding a project to create a remote server that
>> >users
>> > can access in the event of a disaster that causes access to the main
>> > server
>> > to be unavailable. The scenario is that in the event of a pending
>> > disaster
>> > some employees will relocate and access the main server/office
>> > remotely.
>> > If
>> > this remote access becomes affected by the disaster then the users will
>> > switch to the alternate server in a remote location. I am looking for
>> > advice
>> > as to how best to configure the remote server, do i add it to the
>> > existing
>> > Domain and then restore the data to it?
>> > My current train of though is that the servers will not be linked after
>> > the
>> > original configuration and relocation of the backup server, what will
>> > happen
>> > is that the remote server will only be turned on when needed and the
>> > data
>> > restored to it. The data is currently being backed up by a service that
>> > will
>> > also house the remote server therefore restoration of the data should
>> > not
>> > be
>> > too much of an issue.
>> > Any advice is greatfully accepted.
>>
>>
>>