Computer upgrade

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I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about $100
at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
can. My question:

Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
(the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new machine,
properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm drives
and are only about half full.
 
Re: Computer upgrade



"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
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| I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
| everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
| loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
$100
| at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
| can. My question:
|
| Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
| (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
machine,
| properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
| reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
drives
| and are only about half full.
|
|


Others will pop-in, but here's the major problem:

Those hard drives carry the previous Windows configuration [at least the
one with the system on it], e.g., the devices and chipset information from
the previous system. Nothing will likely be the same. When you attempt to
start Windows, nothing will be correct. That's everything, from processor,
to chipsets, to ports, to ... causing a REAL UGLY mess. Also, the disks
themselves may be handled differently by the BIOS [translation], so there
may be a potential issue there as well.

So Yes, you can use those disks, but likely you will need to at least
re-install the OS [and the applications] because attempts at an over-install
will place you in a DLL mis-match situation..

If you carefully backup the individual application user made files, with
proper folder indications, once the OS and applications are re-installed you
could replace those back to their original locations, giving the appearance
of the original, but configured properly for the new system.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________
 
Re: Computer upgrade

I was afraid that would be the case -- different MB/Bios/chipset leading to
DLL hell. It was like many ideas -- looks good at first blush but the
devil lurks in the details Thanks for the input.

I have my 98SE disk and Key so I may just burn all of my apps and other non-
Windows 98se stuff to CDs, then Fdisk, re-format and reinstall the OS and
all of its updates. If I'm successful at that point I can just reinstall my
stuff from the CDs and be back in business with a faster processor. If
not, I can plunk down $500, get a new XP or Vista machine, download the CDs
and start the learning process all over. May be hard for this 78 year old
geezer to pull off, but it might be fun to try.

<meb@not here@hotmail.com> "MEB"wrote in message
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"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
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| I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
| everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
| loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
$100
| at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
| can. My question:
|
| Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
| (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
machine,
| properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
| reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
drives
| and are only about half full.
|
|


Others will pop-in, but here's the major problem:

Those hard drives carry the previous Windows configuration [at least the
one with the system on it], e.g., the devices and chipset information from
the previous system. Nothing will likely be the same. When you attempt to
start Windows, nothing will be correct. That's everything, from processor,
to chipsets, to ports, to ... causing a REAL UGLY mess. Also, the disks
themselves may be handled differently by the BIOS [translation], so there
may be a potential issue there as well.

So Yes, you can use those disks, but likely you will need to at least
re-install the OS [and the applications] because attempts at an over-install
will place you in a DLL mis-match situation..

If you carefully backup the individual application user made files, with
proper folder indications, once the OS and applications are re-installed you
could replace those back to their original locations, giving the appearance
of the original, but configured properly for the new system.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________
 
Re: Computer upgrade

I will stand corrected,
but a few years ago, I bought a HP pavillion with XP
I hated it, chucked it out and reformatted the disk to FAT.
I called in a Techie and for the then current price of $25
he "ghosted" a copy of my 98se onto the HP pavillion.
It still remains workable and remains my back-up computer
I must say he was delighted to see it run, and was surprised.

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
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>I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
> $100
> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
> can. My question:
>
> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
> machine,
> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
> drives
> and are only about half full.
>
>
 
Re: Computer upgrade



"rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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| I will stand corrected,
| but a few years ago, I bought a HP pavillion with XP
| I hated it, chucked it out and reformatted the disk to FAT.
| I called in a Techie and for the then current price of $25
| he "ghosted" a copy of my 98se onto the HP pavillion.
| It still remains workable and remains my back-up computer
| I must say he was delighted to see it run, and was surprised.

Well, that was what I was trying to avoid, the expectation, and
potential/likely failure.

I have changed just a processor in a 9X system and had to start from
scratch, seems to depend upon mostly luck <grin>.... okay, maybe it was that
I didn't want to go through the potential hours of difficulties that
sometimes crop up, but I rarely even try any more. I've had too many
failures, and when in business, failures cost money and time.
Far easier to backup the user data, and put it back where it was
originally, particularly if the work is guaranteed or going to effect
potential future business.

There have been dozens of posts in here describing what to backup, how to
tranfer files from new to old disks and visversa, from those whom I'm sure
have had the same experiance.

|
| "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
| news:e8QHVb7OIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
| > everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
| > loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
| > $100
| > at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as
I
| > can. My question:
| >
| > Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows
98se
| > (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
| > machine,
| > properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
| > reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
| > drives
| > and are only about half full.
| >
| >
|
|


--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________
 
Re: Computer upgrade


"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
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| I was afraid that would be the case -- different MB/Bios/chipset leading
to
| DLL hell. It was like many ideas -- looks good at first blush but the
| devil lurks in the details Thanks for the input.
|
| I have my 98SE disk and Key so I may just burn all of my apps and other
non-
| Windows 98se stuff to CDs, then Fdisk, re-format and reinstall the OS and
| all of its updates. If I'm successful at that point I can just reinstall
my
| stuff from the CDs and be back in business with a faster processor. If
| not, I can plunk down $500, get a new XP or Vista machine, download the
CDs
| and start the learning process all over. May be hard for this 78 year old
| geezer to pull off, but it might be fun to try.
|

Okay, don't be put off, 9X would run nicely on most computers at 1.5MHZ.
The first issue is the board and available drivers, if those are available,
or it comes with 98, then put the drives in as secondaries, and transfer
from there. Or install the OS on the new system's hard drive after
installing the old as secondaries and transfer what you need. Or, if you
have a netcard in the old box,,, network them ...

The people in here have done this hundreds of times, so there's definately
a safety net available.

As for fun with XP, yeah, could be, definately would pass some time. You
could try the dual boot situation or some other, and have the best of both
worlds.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________



| <meb@not here@hotmail.com> "MEB"wrote in message
| news:e58VJ67OIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|
|
| "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
| news:e8QHVb7OIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| | I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
| | everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
| | loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
| $100
| | at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as
I
| | can. My question:
| |
| | Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows
98se
| | (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
| machine,
| | properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
| | reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
| drives
| | and are only about half full.
| |
| |
|
|
| Others will pop-in, but here's the major problem:
|
| Those hard drives carry the previous Windows configuration [at least the
| one with the system on it], e.g., the devices and chipset information from
| the previous system. Nothing will likely be the same. When you attempt to
| start Windows, nothing will be correct. That's everything, from processor,
| to chipsets, to ports, to ... causing a REAL UGLY mess. Also, the disks
| themselves may be handled differently by the BIOS [translation], so there
| may be a potential issue there as well.
|
| So Yes, you can use those disks, but likely you will need to at least
| re-install the OS [and the applications] because attempts at an
over-install
| will place you in a DLL mis-match situation..
|
| If you carefully backup the individual application user made files, with
| proper folder indications, once the OS and applications are re-installed
you
| could replace those back to their original locations, giving the
appearance
| of the original, but configured properly for the new system.
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| ________
|
|
|
 
Re: Computer upgrade

There's no reason that the process won't work - it's just that there are
some risks that users need to be aware of.

W98 is quite good at detecting that the current set of hardware support
components are incorrect, and installing replacement software. 'DLL hell'
is not a likely outcome - that's an entirely different issue - but it is
possible that you will run with drivers that don't give you full access to
the capabilities of the hardware, and maybe never even notice.

If your techie took the simple precaution of removing all references to
installed devices before doing the ghosting, then Windows comes up with a
'clean slate' as far as hardware is concerned, and provided the required
drivers etc are available the upgraded installation would be
indistinguishable from a clean install.

As you have been through the process once, you will be quite confident about
doing it again.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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>I will stand corrected,
> but a few years ago, I bought a HP pavillion with XP
> I hated it, chucked it out and reformatted the disk to FAT.
> I called in a Techie and for the then current price of $25
> he "ghosted" a copy of my 98se onto the HP pavillion.
> It still remains workable and remains my back-up computer
> I must say he was delighted to see it run, and was surprised.
>
 
Re: Computer upgrade

The procedure you are proposing is certainly quite practical and relatively
safe, but you need to be aware of the possible risks, and you need to follow
a proper process.

The procedure to use is to open registry editor and delete the whole of the
HKLM\enum registry key. See here for some comments:
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=83657

You can do more searching to see other people's experiences.

Your success may depend on how similar the new motherboard is to the old in
terms of devices, rather than just the difference in speed. The safest
process would be to buy a new disk drive, clone the existing master drive to
the new disk, put the two old drives to one side, and experiment using the
new drive. If it works, just plug in the second new drive when you are up
and running. If it doesn't, use the new drive for a fresh install then
install both old drives and copy stuff across.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
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>I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
> $100
> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
> can. My question:
>
> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
> machine,
> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
> drives
> and are only about half full.
>
>
 
Re: Computer upgrade


"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message \
> There's no reason that the process won't work - it's just that there are
> some risks that users need to be aware of.

Oh, I have no doubt about that.
I was faced with the situation of purchasing a two set
disk at $150 for a proprietory database run time program
of around 5 million records.

It was a suitable risk for me at $25 to establish just a back up
computer to avoid down time.
What really surprised me was the time taken, IIRC around
35 minutes.

I am not suggesting the OP follow that route, just having him
aware it has been done. The big unknown factor
is finding a person with sufficient knowledge, as newbies
getting people from the paper ads, you can get anything.
Rod.
 
Re: Computer upgrade

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
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>I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
> $100
> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
> can. My question:
>
> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
> machine,
> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
> drives
> and are only about half full.
>
>

Here is a procedure that has worked for me. First off, image your current
installation to removable media before beginning in case something botches.
When done, do below.

1. Remove all hardware that may be sensitive to bios level irq
adjustments/conflicts. Printers and software. Lan cards. Similar. Remove
any video card adapter software. Temporarily disconnect any external
peripherals. Remove any device driver software if available in add/remove
software in windows.

2. Reboot. Go directly to windows safe mode. In device manager, remove
all devices. Save the ide driver for last. If possible shutdown windows
and turn off the PC. If not, just turn off the PC.

3. If available, using boot media, image this windows installation to
removable media.

4. Been my experience that SOMETIMES when moving hard drives to another
motherboard, the 2nd PC's bios interprets the hard drive with slightly
different parameters. This can be minor with some filename or file data
failures, to the extreme, of not even finding the partition location. If
that does happen, simply turn off the PC. Restore the image of the stripped
version of windows over your current installation. The imaging software
will take into account the different layout hard drive interpretation of the
2nd PC's bios. This is the actual source of most problems moving 98/98SE
system hard drives by folks knowing what they are doing.

Note: Your "D:" drive may have similar problems. You will need an image
backup of that for potential restoration.

5. Boot windows. Ignore all messages regarding drivers for now. Install
the driver software for the new motherboard. Some drivers may be in a
separate folder on the driver installation media. Reboot.

6. Install the video card or onboard video software if pertinent. Adjust
the video screen resolution and color bit and refresh rate appropriate for
both you and the 3rd party software. Reboot.

7. Install any 3rd party drive software previously removed, in tandem,
while adding/connecting hardware. One at time, please. Reboot after each
install.

Dave
 
Re: Computer upgrade

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:29:32 -0800, "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net>
wrote:

>I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
>everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
>loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about $100
>at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
>can. My question:
>
>Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
>(the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new machine,
>properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
>reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm drives
>and are only about half full.
>
This OS/hardrive started out in a PIII Hewlett Packard machine. When
the MB died, I replaced it with a MB that used an AMD Sempron and a
completely different board chipset from different manufacturers.

This new MB came with a CD of drivers.

When I booted up with the old hard drive, it took some time (half a
day) for all the new devices to be recognized and loaded. Only one or
two SW applications failed to run normally. These turned out to be
licensing issues, only, or related to flavours of Video card.

Perhaps I was just lucky, but the coniguration is still running many
years later.

Gather up a package containing the driver info or driver 'installers'
from the newer machine and copy it onto the hard drive in your old
machine, before migrating the old machine's hard drive into the new
machine. You might keep the previous hard drive on the second IDE
cable, or as a slave, to be searchable for missing drivers.

RL
 
Re: Computer upgrade


"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
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> I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
$100
> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
> can. My question:
>
> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
machine,
> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
drives
> and are only about half full.
>
>


The $100 is a good deal...
but putting your old drive in it will be kinf of a risk.

Win98 may or may not reconfigure itself...
Though win98 is fairly good at reconfiguring...you will definately need
different drivers...especially for the chipset...
they may or may not be avail for win98


Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect on page loading time
 
Re: Computer upgrade

Philo, you said, "Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect on
page loading time".

Speeding up page loading time would be my main reason for upgrading my
300MHz, Win98se machine to a 1-1.5 MHz machine. Performance of my old
machine in most every other instance is perfectly acceptable to me so going
through all the trouble of upgrading with no real payoff doesn't seem
warranted. Think I'll just stick with what I have until something major
gives out.

Thanks to everyone for all their suggestions and help.


"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
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> I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
$100
> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
> can. My question:
>
> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
machine,
> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
drives
> and are only about half full.
>
>


The $100 is a good deal...
but putting your old drive in it will be kinf of a risk.

Win98 may or may not reconfigure itself...
Though win98 is fairly good at reconfiguring...you will definately need
different drivers...especially for the chipset...
they may or may not be avail for win98


Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect on page loading time
 
Re: Computer upgrade

bobster wrote:
> Philo, you said, "Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect
on
> page loading time".
>
> Speeding up page loading time would be my main reason for upgrading my
> 300MHz, Win98se machine to a 1-1.5 MHz machine.

Which is probably not going to change all that much.
But then again, I'm on dialup, so it's a non-issue, and I'm used to it.
Old school values .... of patience and perseverance. :-)

> Performance of my old
> machine in most every other instance is perfectly acceptable to me so
going
> through all the trouble of upgrading with no real payoff doesn't seem
> warranted. Think I'll just stick with what I have until something major
> gives out.
>
> Thanks to everyone for all their suggestions and help.
>
>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:um7xNVDPIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
> news:e8QHVb7OIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
>> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
>> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
$100
>> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as
I
>> can. My question:
>>
>> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
>> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
machine,
>> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
>> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
drives
>> and are only about half full.
>>
>>
>
>
> The $100 is a good deal...
> but putting your old drive in it will be kinf of a risk.
>
> Win98 may or may not reconfigure itself...
> Though win98 is fairly good at reconfiguring...you will definately need
> different drivers...especially for the chipset...
> they may or may not be avail for win98
>
>
> Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect on page loading
time
 
Re: Computer upgrade

MEB wrote:

> "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
> news:e8QHVb7OIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
> | everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
> | loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
> $100
> | at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
> | can. My question:
> |
> | Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
> | (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
> machine,
> | properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
> | reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
> drives
> | and are only about half full.
> |
> |
>
>
> Others will pop-in, but here's the major problem:
>
> Those hard drives carry the previous Windows configuration [at least the
> one with the system on it], e.g., the devices and chipset information from
> the previous system. Nothing will likely be the same. When you attempt to
> start Windows, nothing will be correct. That's everything, from processor,
> to chipsets, to ports, to ... causing a REAL UGLY mess. Also, the disks
> themselves may be handled differently by the BIOS [translation], so there
> may be a potential issue there as well.
>
> So Yes, you can use those disks, but likely you will need to at least
> re-install the OS [and the applications] because attempts at an over-install
> will place you in a DLL mis-match situation..
>
> If you carefully backup the individual application user made files, with
> proper folder indications, once the OS and applications are re-installed you
> could replace those back to their original locations, giving the appearance
> of the original, but configured properly for the new system.
>
Well, i have switched HDs between an old P2-266 and a newer P5-2000
and other than feeding the "alternate" computer the Win98SE disk and a
video driver, ther were no problems.
Did not matter which way i went, but after both video drivers were
loaded, there was no OS quibble about that; just a bumch of "found new
hardware" and need for OS disk.
Slow page loading could be caused by either a busy process inthe
background, or 2-3 "small" processes running.
Most antivirus and firewall software qualify as "busy" so if you
uninstall, rip out HD crap left behind, and rip out registry crap left
behind, then you might be free of one or the other (or both).
Some AV software is as hard to remove as virii.
Use Gibsin Research Corp to check that all lower 1024+ ports are
closed, and use intelligence on e-mails (using webmail exclusively with
it set for ASCII only) as well as surfing.
Over 5 years on one HD that way, and no problems.
 
Re: Computer upgrade

All I can add to already posted comments is that I just took a hard disk out
of a Compaq portable and used it in a IBM Thinkpad. The OS "noticed" all the
hardware changes and did "many" install drivers and reboots but in the end
it's up and running with the already installed apps.


"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
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> I have an old P11, 300 MHz computer running Windows 98Se. It does
> everything I need just fine except the processor speed causes slow page
> loading from the internet. I can buy a used 1.5 MHz machine for about
$100
> at a local surplus store. I very much want to stay with 98se as long as I
> can. My question:
>
> Can I take my old "C" and "D" hard drives, fully loaded with Windows 98se
> (the "C") and all of my apps/drivers and merely put them in the new
machine,
> properly connected to the IDE cable, and thus avoid all the hassle of
> reformatting, reloading of apps, etc. They are both 20 Gig, 5400 rpm
drives
> and are only about half full.
>
>
 
Re: Computer upgrade


"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
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> Philo, you said, "Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect
on
> page loading time".
>
> Speeding up page loading time would be my main reason for upgrading my
> 300MHz, Win98se machine to a 1-1.5 MHz machine. Performance of my old
> machine in most every other instance is perfectly acceptable to me so
going
> through all the trouble of upgrading with no real payoff doesn't seem
> warranted. Think I'll just stick with what I have until something major
> gives out.
>
> Thanks to everyone for all their suggestions and help.
>

I've done this several times when going to a new motherboard and all I did
was to delete the total Enum key in the Registry at:
HKLM/Enum and shut down immediately through Start, Shut Down.

Remove the booting HDD from the old machine and install it in the new one by
itself.
Win98SE should just start recognizing all the devices, etc.

As for slow page loading, it may be another issue such as too much
unnecessary stuff running or not enough RAM or improper modem settings or
not clearing out your temporary internet files.
You should have at least 256MB of ram and I would recommend 512MB, or more.
Ram is cheap.

PS: I'm sure you meant upgrading to a 1-1.5GHz machine.
 
Re: Computer upgrade

"PS: I'm sure you meant upgrading to a 1-1.5GHz machine."

Oops!

Yes, of course I meant 1-1.5 GHz


"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
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"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
news:elLB5hGPIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Philo, you said, "Also...having a fast CPU may only have a minimal effect
on
> page loading time".
>
> Speeding up page loading time would be my main reason for upgrading my
> 300MHz, Win98se machine to a 1-1.5 MHz machine. Performance of my old
> machine in most every other instance is perfectly acceptable to me so
going
> through all the trouble of upgrading with no real payoff doesn't seem
> warranted. Think I'll just stick with what I have until something major
> gives out.
>
> Thanks to everyone for all their suggestions and help.
>

I've done this several times when going to a new motherboard and all I did
was to delete the total Enum key in the Registry at:
HKLM/Enum and shut down immediately through Start, Shut Down.

Remove the booting HDD from the old machine and install it in the new one by
itself.
Win98SE should just start recognizing all the devices, etc.

As for slow page loading, it may be another issue such as too much
unnecessary stuff running or not enough RAM or improper modem settings or
not clearing out your temporary internet files.
You should have at least 256MB of ram and I would recommend 512MB, or more.
Ram is cheap.

PS: I'm sure you meant upgrading to a 1-1.5GHz machine.
 
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