What is the purpose for 64bit Windows?

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I purchased the 64 bit version of Windows XP and found out that many
hardware and software products are not supported hence, I had to revert back
to 32bit Windows XP. Now I see the exact same problems with Vista 64 bit. My
question is: What is the purpose of 64 bit Windows if support is lacking?
Just like Linux which I consider to be crap, I consider the same for the 64
bit Windows.

You lackeys don't need to reply unless your name is Bill Gates.
 
Re: What is the purpose for 64bit Windows?

There are no lackeys here, just users trying to help those who are in need
of help. And you really should keep up with the changes at MS - Bill hasn't
been in charge of MS for several years, and is leaving the company in the
new year completely to focus on his charitable work around the world.

That being said, there are many reasons for moving to 64bit Windows.
Personally, I moved because I wanted to be able to use all the functionality
of my computer. And because I'm always most comfortable on the leading (not
to say bleeding) edge of what's out there and available. I have a few things
that I had to abandon due to lack of drivers, and a few others where I've
had to apply a significant amount of moral persuasion to the vendor to get
their act together. But absolutely none of these prevented me from doing
what I do on a daily basis. All my core hardware and software has worked
flawlessly. And continues to do so. My 6 GB of RAM on my desktop is seen
without problems, as is the 16 GB of RAM on each of my two servers. My dual
monitors are seen correctly (as long as I don't make the mistake of
downloading the latest drivers from ATI). My bluetooth mouse works
perfectly. My built in sound card works as well as it can (not a big area
for me, and I cut a corner or two on it, I admit). My printer has full and
complete functionality, as does the second printer on the network once Dell
FINALLY produced a driver for it. All my networking works as expected. I can
burn DVDs (though not from my iPOD, since Apple broke that in the 7.4
release.) I can connect my Zune. All my USB thumb drives work. IOW,
everything that matters to me works.

Now, it's true. I've been doing this sort of thing for a long time. And
always on the bleeding edge, so I've learned how to buy hardware. I never
buy peripheral hardware that has any sort of "special" interface. No "host
based printing", for example. Printers have to have PCL5 and PostScript both
on them. And I have an old JetDirectEX that I use to connect them up, if
they don't have a built in JetDirect card to get onto the network. In the
days when I needed a modem, I never, ever, bought one of those "WinModem"
things. Duh. I buy my servers from HP. I build my own workstations where I
can carefully control the parts and the mobo. I don't depend on USB for
networking - all my Internet connectivity is handled by a Router, and my
firewall sits behind the router, and the servers sit behind that, and my
workstations are all connected to the internal network.

None of this is an accident. It's just good planning and preparation for
running in beta versions of new operating systems. At the moment, I'm only
running two beta operating systems. It's the fewest beta OSs I've been
running in the last 15 years of doing this. (And thank goodness for
Virtualization! It is WAY easier to deal with than dual and multi-booting
multiple machines.)

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Chris Purdue" <chrise@eathbound.net> wrote in message
news:476564ba$0$2312$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I purchased the 64 bit version of Windows XP and found out that many
>hardware and software products are not supported hence, I had to revert
>back to 32bit Windows XP. Now I see the exact same problems with Vista 64
>bit. My question is: What is the purpose of 64 bit Windows if support is
>lacking? Just like Linux which I consider to be crap, I consider the same
>for the 64 bit Windows.
>
> You lackeys don't need to reply unless your name is Bill Gates.
>
 
Re: What is the purpose for 64bit Windows? ITunes 64

Re: What is the purpose for 64bit Windows? ITunes 64

This should help you with ITunes burning DVDs under Vista 64:
http://www.agileprogrammer.com/dotnetguy/archive/2007/11/22/23851.aspx

It worked for me.

Is there a FAQ that tells all the changes that should be made for Vista 64?
I read another posting about fixing searches.

Workaround for Windows Search and Office 2007 documents on Windows Vista
64-bit.
http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/km...e-2007-documents-on-windows-vista-64-bit.aspx


"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:F4CF74F8-1D34-4676-AACE-A082518D6283@microsoft.com...
> There are no lackeys here, just users trying to help those who are in need
> of help. And you really should keep up with the changes at MS - Bill
> hasn't been in charge of MS for several years, and is leaving the company
> in the new year completely to focus on his charitable work around the
> world.
>
> That being said, there are many reasons for moving to 64bit Windows.
> Personally, I moved because I wanted to be able to use all the
> functionality of my computer. And because I'm always most comfortable on
> the leading (not to say bleeding) edge of what's out there and available.
> I have a few things that I had to abandon due to lack of drivers, and a
> few others where I've had to apply a significant amount of moral
> persuasion to the vendor to get their act together. But absolutely none of
> these prevented me from doing what I do on a daily basis. All my core
> hardware and software has worked flawlessly. And continues to do so. My 6
> GB of RAM on my desktop is seen without problems, as is the 16 GB of RAM
> on each of my two servers. My dual monitors are seen correctly (as long as
> I don't make the mistake of downloading the latest drivers from ATI). My
> bluetooth mouse works perfectly. My built in sound card works as well as
> it can (not a big area for me, and I cut a corner or two on it, I admit).
> My printer has full and complete functionality, as does the second printer
> on the network once Dell FINALLY produced a driver for it. All my
> networking works as expected. I can burn DVDs (though not from my iPOD,
> since Apple broke that in the 7.4 release.) I can connect my Zune. All my
> USB thumb drives work. IOW, everything that matters to me works.
>
> Now, it's true. I've been doing this sort of thing for a long time. And
> always on the bleeding edge, so I've learned how to buy hardware. I never
> buy peripheral hardware that has any sort of "special" interface. No "host
> based printing", for example. Printers have to have PCL5 and PostScript
> both on them. And I have an old JetDirectEX that I use to connect them up,
> if they don't have a built in JetDirect card to get onto the network. In
> the days when I needed a modem, I never, ever, bought one of those
> "WinModem" things. Duh. I buy my servers from HP. I build my own
> workstations where I can carefully control the parts and the mobo. I don't
> depend on USB for networking - all my Internet connectivity is handled by
> a Router, and my firewall sits behind the router, and the servers sit
> behind that, and my workstations are all connected to the internal
> network.
>
> None of this is an accident. It's just good planning and preparation for
> running in beta versions of new operating systems. At the moment, I'm only
> running two beta operating systems. It's the fewest beta OSs I've been
> running in the last 15 years of doing this. (And thank goodness for
> Virtualization! It is WAY easier to deal with than dual and multi-booting
> multiple machines.)
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>
>
> "Chris Purdue" <chrise@eathbound.net> wrote in message
> news:476564ba$0$2312$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>I purchased the 64 bit version of Windows XP and found out that many
>>hardware and software products are not supported hence, I had to revert
>>back to 32bit Windows XP. Now I see the exact same problems with Vista 64
>>bit. My question is: What is the purpose of 64 bit Windows if support is
>>lacking? Just like Linux which I consider to be crap, I consider the same
>>for the 64 bit Windows.
>>
>> You lackeys don't need to reply unless your name is Bill Gates.
>>

>
 
Re: What is the purpose for 64bit Windows? ITunes 64

Re: What is the purpose for 64bit Windows? ITunes 64

Thanks. Though I don't actually care one way or another about burning from
within iTunes. I _only_ use iTunes to load my Audible books onto my iPod. I
don't use it for music at all. ;)

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"David F" <dfumento@ATSIGNgmailDOT.com> wrote in message
news:05DD95A1-53BF-4EF6-846E-DF390AC29717@microsoft.com...
> This should help you with ITunes burning DVDs under Vista 64:
> http://www.agileprogrammer.com/dotnetguy/archive/2007/11/22/23851.aspx
>
> It worked for me.
>
> Is there a FAQ that tells all the changes that should be made for Vista
> 64? I read another posting about fixing searches.
>
> Workaround for Windows Search and Office 2007 documents on Windows Vista
> 64-bit.
> http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/km...e-2007-documents-on-windows-vista-64-bit.aspx
>
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:F4CF74F8-1D34-4676-AACE-A082518D6283@microsoft.com...
>> There are no lackeys here, just users trying to help those who are in
>> need of help. And you really should keep up with the changes at MS - Bill
>> hasn't been in charge of MS for several years, and is leaving the company
>> in the new year completely to focus on his charitable work around the
>> world.
>>
>> That being said, there are many reasons for moving to 64bit Windows.
>> Personally, I moved because I wanted to be able to use all the
>> functionality of my computer. And because I'm always most comfortable on
>> the leading (not to say bleeding) edge of what's out there and available.
>> I have a few things that I had to abandon due to lack of drivers, and a
>> few others where I've had to apply a significant amount of moral
>> persuasion to the vendor to get their act together. But absolutely none
>> of these prevented me from doing what I do on a daily basis. All my core
>> hardware and software has worked flawlessly. And continues to do so. My 6
>> GB of RAM on my desktop is seen without problems, as is the 16 GB of RAM
>> on each of my two servers. My dual monitors are seen correctly (as long
>> as I don't make the mistake of downloading the latest drivers from ATI).
>> My bluetooth mouse works perfectly. My built in sound card works as well
>> as it can (not a big area for me, and I cut a corner or two on it, I
>> admit). My printer has full and complete functionality, as does the
>> second printer on the network once Dell FINALLY produced a driver for it.
>> All my networking works as expected. I can burn DVDs (though not from my
>> iPOD, since Apple broke that in the 7.4 release.) I can connect my Zune.
>> All my USB thumb drives work. IOW, everything that matters to me works.
>>
>> Now, it's true. I've been doing this sort of thing for a long time. And
>> always on the bleeding edge, so I've learned how to buy hardware. I never
>> buy peripheral hardware that has any sort of "special" interface. No
>> "host based printing", for example. Printers have to have PCL5 and
>> PostScript both on them. And I have an old JetDirectEX that I use to
>> connect them up, if they don't have a built in JetDirect card to get onto
>> the network. In the days when I needed a modem, I never, ever, bought one
>> of those "WinModem" things. Duh. I buy my servers from HP. I build my own
>> workstations where I can carefully control the parts and the mobo. I
>> don't depend on USB for networking - all my Internet connectivity is
>> handled by a Router, and my firewall sits behind the router, and the
>> servers sit behind that, and my workstations are all connected to the
>> internal network.
>>
>> None of this is an accident. It's just good planning and preparation for
>> running in beta versions of new operating systems. At the moment, I'm
>> only running two beta operating systems. It's the fewest beta OSs I've
>> been running in the last 15 years of doing this. (And thank goodness for
>> Virtualization! It is WAY easier to deal with than dual and multi-booting
>> multiple machines.)
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>>
>> "Chris Purdue" <chrise@eathbound.net> wrote in message
>> news:476564ba$0$2312$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>I purchased the 64 bit version of Windows XP and found out that many
>>>hardware and software products are not supported hence, I had to revert
>>>back to 32bit Windows XP. Now I see the exact same problems with Vista 64
>>>bit. My question is: What is the purpose of 64 bit Windows if support is
>>>lacking? Just like Linux which I consider to be crap, I consider the same
>>>for the 64 bit Windows.
>>>
>>> You lackeys don't need to reply unless your name is Bill Gates.
>>>

>>

>
 
Re: What is the purpose for 64bit Windows?

> You lackeys don't need to reply unless your name is Bill Gates.

FYI: Steve Ballmer is CEO, not Bill Gates. BillG hasn't run the company
day-to-day in some time. If you want to rant, you probably want to direct
your rant towards the people who actually still run Microsoft's Windows
business. BillG is the guy to rant to about saving Africa these days.

Major technology transitions take a while. Windows Vista x64 is better for
drivers than XP x64. More OEMs, hardware vendors, and software vendors are
focusing on x64 now than they were in 2005 when XP x64 was released. There
is still a long way to go to get the entire PC industry to consider x64
support mandatory. Even some Microsoft product teams are guilty of ignoring
x64 for development/test convienence.

If you were using PCs during the transition from 16-bit to 32-bit, this will
be a familiar experience. The 32-bit to 64-bit transition is technically
easier all-around, but business wise it's easier to just suffer through with
various hacks to get things to continue to squeeze into 32-bit and try to
ignore x64 a while longer than it was for 16-bit to 32-bit. This tactic is
not going to work forever, and in some segments it's no longer a realistic
option. High-end gaming, workstation applications (CAD, etc.), and servers
are the most compelling uses of 64-bit, and as the user base grows, so will
support for it. The CPU people have done their job. The Windows people have
done their job. The Windows logo program people have done their job. Now
it's up to 3rd party driver writers, hardware vendors, and all the thousands
of software teams out there to take supporting x64 seriously. They won't
until customers tell them they have to do it.

Many people on this list including myself have been happily running x64
Editions of Windows for years. The technology works, and the benefits are
there. The newer software runs pretty well, and if you find something
released in the last year or two that claims support for Windows Vista, you
should complain if it doesn't support x64.

--
Chuck Walbourn
SDE, XNA Developer Connection

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