Printing with Thin-Clients & Terminal Server

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We have Wyse V30L thin-clients that run WindowsCE 5.0 operating system
and they will remotely connect to our Windows 2003 Terminal Server
(also a DC -we know very bad idea) through a VPN, and we have some
questions concerning printing at the remote side:

1. The remote network will have an All-in-One ethernet-based printer/
scanner/copier. We have not yet chosen a brand. The thin-clients will
connect to the TS to run an application and to access the Internet,
and will need to print to this AIO from these apps. Do we simply have
to install the driver for this AIO on the TS? We have read threads
which state to "map the printer to a native driver" but we do not know
where/how to do this.

2. The Thin-clients have USB ports. If we install a USB printer that
they can print to locally while using the app on the TS, do we just
install the printer driver on the TS? What is considered a "third-
party" driver.

3. Can anyone direct us to a list of TS-compatible printers for
Windows 2003 Server 32-bit Standard Edition SP1?

Thanks!
 
Re: Printing with Thin-Clients & Terminal Server

comments inline.

porbarfarms@gmail.com wrote on 07 jan 2008 in
microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> We have Wyse V30L thin-clients that run WindowsCE 5.0 operating
> system and they will remotely connect to our Windows 2003
> Terminal Server (also a DC -we know very bad idea) through a
> VPN, and we have some questions concerning printing at the
> remote side:
>
> 1. The remote network will have an All-in-One ethernet-based
> printer/ scanner/copier. We have not yet chosen a brand. The
> thin-clients will connect to the TS to run an application and to
> access the Internet, and will need to print to this AIO from
> these apps. Do we simply have to install the driver for this AIO
> on the TS? We have read threads which state to "map the printer
> to a native driver" but we do not know where/how to do this.

No, do *not* install 3rd party printers drivers on the TS, and
especially not for all-in-one printers! Those are nearly always
incompatible with TS and can crash your printer spooler or the
whole server.
The scanner and copier features will not work over TS anyway.
Here are the detailed instructions on how to map the printer to a
native driver:

239088 - Windows 2000 or Windows Server 2003 Terminal Services
server logs events 1111, 1105, and 1106
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=239088

> 2. The Thin-clients have USB ports. If we install a USB printer
> that they can print to locally while using the app on the TS, do
> we just install the printer driver on the TS? What is considered
> a "third- party" driver.

Again, no. A 3rd party driver is any driver which did *not* come on
the installation CD for Windows 2003.

> 3. Can anyone direct us to a list of TS-compatible printers for
> Windows 2003 Server 32-bit Standard Edition SP1?

SP1? I strongly recommend to install SP2. It contains *lot* of
fixes for known problems:

914962 - List of updates in Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914962

All printers which are included with the OS. Just start the Add a
printer wizard on the server, and check the list of included
drivers.

> Thanks!

You're welcome!
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
 
Re: Printing with Thin-Clients & Terminal Server

On Jan 7, 5:57 pm, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-
this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:
> comments inline.
>
> porbarfa...@gmail.com wrote on 07 jan 2008 in
> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > We have Wyse V30L thin-clients that run WindowsCE 5.0 operating
> > system and they will remotely connect to our Windows 2003
> >TerminalServer(also a DC -we know very bad idea) through a
> > VPN, and we have some questions concerning printing at the
> > remote side:
>
> > 1. The remote network will have an All-in-One ethernet-based
> >printer/ scanner/copier. We have not yet chosen a brand. The
> > thin-clients will connect to the TS to run an application and to
> > access the Internet, and will need to print to this AIO from
> > these apps. Do we simply have to install thedriverfor this AIO
> > on the TS? We have read threads which state to "map theprinter
> > to a nativedriver" but we do not know where/how to do this.
>
> No, do *not* install 3rd party printers drivers on the TS, and
> especially not for all-in-one printers! Those are nearly always
> incompatible with TS and can crash yourprinterspooler or the
> wholeserver.
> The scanner and copier features will not work over TS anyway.
> Here are the detailed instructions on how to map theprinterto a
> nativedriver:
>
> 239088 - Windows 2000 or WindowsServer2003TerminalServicesserverlogs events 1111, 1105, and 1106http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=239088
>
> > 2. The Thin-clients have USB ports. If we install a USBprinter
> > that they can print to locally while using the app on the TS, do
> > we just install theprinterdriveron the TS? What is considered
> > a "third- party"driver.
>
> Again, no. A 3rd partydriveris anydriverwhich did *not* come on
> theinstallationCD for Windows 2003.
>
> > 3. Can anyone direct us to a list of TS-compatible printers for
> > Windows 2003Server32-bit Standard Edition SP1?
>
> SP1? I strongly recommend to install SP2. It contains *lot* of
> fixes for known problems:
>
> 914962 - List of updates in WindowsServer2003 Service Pack 2http://support..microsoft.com/?kbid=914962
>
> All printers which are included with the OS. Just start the Add aprinterwizard on theserver, and check the list of included
> drivers.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> You're welcome!
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP -TerminalServer
> TS troubleshooting:  http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

So, if we have a ethernet-based printer on the network - in this case
it is an HP2015dn at IP 10.10.10.141 - here is how we are attempting
to install this on the TS:

1. Add Printer
2. Local Printer...
3. Create new port -choose Hp Standard TCP/IP
4. Supply Printer's IP Address
5. Now, we get the list of available printers and the HP2015 is not
listed.

Are you saying that we cannot use this HP Printer if it is not
listed? Or can we download the WIndows 2003 driver from HP? And if
so, do we choose a PCL5, PCL6 or Post Script driver?

Thanks -sorry for the confusion but want to be clear before purchasing
another printer.
 
Re: Printing with Thin-Clients & Terminal Server

compsosinc@gmail.com wrote on 08 jan 2008 in
microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> On Jan 7, 5:57 pm, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-
> this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:
>> comments inline.
>>
>> porbarfa...@gmail.com wrote on 07 jan 2008 in
>> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>> > We have Wyse V30L thin-clients that run WindowsCE 5.0
>> > operating system and they will remotely connect to our
>> > Windows 2003
>> >TerminalServer(also a DC -we know very bad idea) through a
>> > VPN, and we have some questions concerning printing at the
>> > remote side:
>>
>> > 1. The remote network will have an All-in-One ethernet-based
>> >printer/ scanner/copier. We have not yet chosen a brand. The
>> > thin-clients will connect to the TS to run an application and
>> > to access the Internet, and will need to print to this AIO
>> > from these apps. Do we simply have to install thedriverfor
>> > this AIO on the TS? We have read threads which state to "map
>> > theprinter to a nativedriver" but we do not know where/how to
>> > do this.
>>
>> No, do *not* install 3rd party printers drivers on the TS, and
>> especially not for all-in-one printers! Those are nearly always
>> incompatible with TS and can crash yourprinterspooler or the
>> wholeserver.
>> The scanner and copier features will not work over TS anyway.
>> Here are the detailed instructions on how to map theprinterto a
>> nativedriver:
>>
>> 239088 - Windows 2000 or
>> WindowsServer2003TerminalServicesserverlogs event
> s 1111, 1105, and 1106http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=239088
>>
>> > 2. The Thin-clients have USB ports. If we install a
>> > USBprinter that they can print to locally while using the app
>> > on the TS, do we just install theprinterdriveron the TS? What
>> > is considered a "third- party"driver.
>>
>> Again, no. A 3rd partydriveris anydriverwhich did *not* come on
>> theinstallationCD for Windows 2003.
>>
>> > 3. Can anyone direct us to a list of TS-compatible printers
>> > for Windows 2003Server32-bit Standard Edition SP1?
>>
>> SP1? I strongly recommend to install SP2. It contains *lot* of
>> fixes for known problems:
>>
>> 914962 - List of updates in WindowsServer2003 Service Pack
>> 2http://support
> .microsoft.com/?kbid=914962
>>
>> All printers which are included with the OS. Just start the Add
>> aprinterwi
> zard on theserver, and check the list of included
>> drivers.
>>
>> > Thanks!
>>
>> You're welcome!
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP -TerminalServer
>> TS troubleshooting:  http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> So, if we have a ethernet-based printer on the network - in this
> case it is an HP2015dn at IP 10.10.10.141 - here is how we are
> attempting to install this on the TS:
>
> 1. Add Printer
> 2. Local Printer...
> 3. Create new port -choose Hp Standard TCP/IP
> 4. Supply Printer's IP Address
> 5. Now, we get the list of available printers and the HP2015 is
> not listed.
>
> Are you saying that we cannot use this HP Printer if it is not
> listed? Or can we download the WIndows 2003 driver from HP? And
> if so, do we choose a PCL5, PCL6 or Post Script driver?

That's what I said, yes.
There are some exceptions to the rule of "never install a 3rd party
driver": drivers which are officially tested and supported by the
manufacturer as TS compatible. AFAIK, HP is the only vendor which
publishes such a list, and you're lucky, your model is OK.

Be sure to download the version of the driver from HP which is
listed in the document!

HP Printers Supported in Citrix MetaFrame Presentation and Terminal
Server Environments
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?
objectID=c00213455

_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
 
Re: Printing with Thin-Clients & Terminal Server

On Jan 8, 5:30 pm, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-
this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:
> compsos...@gmail.com wrote on 08 jan 2008 in
> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 5:57 pm, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-
> > this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:
> >> comments inline.
>
> >> porbarfa...@gmail.com wrote on 07 jan 2008 in
> >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> >> > We have Wyse V30L thin-clients that run WindowsCE 5.0
> >> > operating system and they will remotely connect to our
> >> > Windows 2003
> >> >TerminalServer(also a DC -we know very bad idea) through a
> >> > VPN, and we have some questions concerning printing at the
> >> > remote side:
>
> >> > 1. The remote network will have an All-in-One ethernet-based
> >> >printer/ scanner/copier. We have not yet chosen a brand. The
> >> > thin-clients will connect to the TS to run an application and
> >> > to access the Internet, and will need to print to this AIO
> >> > from these apps. Do we simply have to install thedriverfor
> >> > this AIO on the TS? We have read threads which state to "map
> >> > theprinter to a nativedriver" but we do not know where/how to
> >> > do this.
>
> >> No, do *not* install 3rd party printers drivers on the TS, and
> >> especially not for all-in-one printers! Those are nearly always
> >> incompatible with TS and can crash yourprinterspooler or the
> >> wholeserver.
> >> The scanner and copier features will not work over TS anyway.
> >> Here are the detailed instructions on how to map theprinterto a
> >> nativedriver:
>
> >> 239088 - Windows 2000 or
> >> WindowsServer2003TerminalServicesserverlogs event
> > s 1111, 1105, and 1106http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=239088
>
> >> > 2. The Thin-clients have USB ports. If we install a
> >> > USBprinter that they can print to locally while using the app
> >> > on the TS, do we just install theprinterdriveron the TS? What
> >> > is considered a "third- party"driver.
>
> >> Again, no. A 3rd partydriveris anydriverwhich did *not* come on
> >> theinstallationCD for Windows 2003.
>
> >> > 3. Can anyone direct us to a list of TS-compatible printers
> >> > for Windows 2003Server32-bit Standard Edition SP1?
>
> >> SP1? I strongly recommend to install SP2. It contains *lot* of
> >> fixes for known problems:
>
> >> 914962 - List of updates in WindowsServer2003 Service Pack
> >> 2http://support
> > .microsoft.com/?kbid=914962
>
> >> All printers which are included with the OS. Just start the Add
> >> aprinterwi
> > zard on theserver, and check the list of included
> >> drivers.
>
> >> > Thanks!
>
> >> You're welcome!
> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> Vera Noest
> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP -TerminalServer
> >> TS troubleshooting:  http://ts.veranoest.net
> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> > So, if we have a ethernet-based printer on the network - in this
> > case it is an HP2015dn at IP 10.10.10.141 - here is how we are
> > attempting to install this on the TS:
>
> > 1. Add Printer
> > 2. Local Printer...
> > 3. Create new port -choose Hp Standard TCP/IP
> > 4. Supply Printer's IP Address
> > 5. Now, we get the list of available printers and the HP2015 is
> > not listed.
>
> > Are you saying that we cannot use this HP Printer if it is not
> > listed?  Or can we download the WIndows 2003 driver from HP? And
> > if so, do we choose a PCL5, PCL6 or Post Script driver?
>
> That's what I said, yes.
> There are some exceptions to the rule of "never install a 3rd party
> driver": drivers which are officially tested and supported by the
> manufacturer as TS compatible. AFAIK, HP is the only vendor which
> publishes such a list, and you're lucky, your model is OK.
>
> Be sure to download the version of the driver from HP which is
> listed in the document!
>
> HP Printers Supported in Citrix MetaFrame Presentation and Terminal
> Server Environmentshttp://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?
> objectID=c00213455
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting:  http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you again for your reply - I think I was just reading to much
into this issue and misunderstanding the English language.
 
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