System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

[Bob]

I ask (again) because, IMHO, it doesn't make good sense for it not to
and Andy Rathbone, in his books Windows Me for Dummies, describes
System Restore as having a CreateRestore point as well as an option to
select a prior creation.


Our WinME computer, working pretty well for eight years now, has no
such option or I sure as he!! can't find it....

Another peculiarity was, at first I could not get the Movie Maker to
work with our Sony VX1000 camcorder. I got some support from MS which
fixed that.
And I found one of the Sony Blue Ray RW DVDs worked well with winME
although Sony said it shouldn't. I think a lot of us have seen that
kind of good news several times.

Can someone tell me if my SystemRestore is "off" or is it just me?

 

[Mike M]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

The create checkpoint button "Create a restore point" is, as I said in
earlier post, immediately below that used to access the restore GUI which
is labelled "Restore my computer to an earlier time". So again, me
question is, what _exactly_ do you see when you start system restore?

What you should see on a correctly working system is a right hand pane
something like what follows:

To begin, select the task that you want to perform:

o Restore my computer to an earlier time

o Create a restore point


Next Cancel

--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Bob <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote:

> I ask (again) because, IMHO, it doesn't make good sense for it not to
> and Andy Rathbone, in his books Windows Me for Dummies, describes
> System Restore as having a CreateRestore point as well as an option to
> select a prior creation.
>
>
> Our WinME computer, working pretty well for eight years now, has no
> such option or I sure as he!! can't find it....
>
> Another peculiarity was, at first I could not get the Movie Maker to
> work with our Sony VX1000 camcorder. I got some support from MS which
> fixed that.
> And I found one of the Sony Blue Ray RW DVDs worked well with winME
> although Sony said it shouldn't. I think a lot of us have seen that
> kind of good news several times.
>
> Can someone tell me if my SystemRestore is "off" or is it just me?

 

[AAH]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

Mike
If I restore a point successfully and restart my machine
and run the SR, the 3 options are there.
Restore, Create and Undo.
After sometime I note that Undo goes away and
have Restore and Create options.
This is happening all the time but cannot check the
time duration.


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:Od3juxkUIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> The create checkpoint button "Create a restore point" is, as I said in
> earlier post, immediately below that used to access the restore GUI which
> is labelled "Restore my computer to an earlier time". So again, me
> question is, what _exactly_ do you see when you start system restore?
>
> What you should see on a correctly working system is a right hand pane
> something like what follows:
>
> To begin, select the task that you want to perform:
>
> o Restore my computer to an earlier time
>
> o Create a restore point
>
>
> Next Cancel
>
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> Bob <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I ask (again) because, IMHO, it doesn't make good sense for it not to
> > and Andy Rathbone, in his books Windows Me for Dummies, describes
> > System Restore as having a CreateRestore point as well as an option to
> > select a prior creation.
> >
> >
> > Our WinME computer, working pretty well for eight years now, has no
> > such option or I sure as he!! can't find it....
> >
> > Another peculiarity was, at first I could not get the Movie Maker to
> > work with our Sony VX1000 camcorder. I got some support from MS which
> > fixed that.
> > And I found one of the Sony Blue Ray RW DVDs worked well with winME
> > although Sony said it shouldn't. I think a lot of us have seen that
> > kind of good news several times.
> >
> > Can someone tell me if my SystemRestore is "off" or is it just me?
>

 

[Mike M]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

AAH <aah@chakcomnet.net> wrote:

> Mike
> If I restore a point successfully and restart my machine
> and run the SR, the 3 options are there.
> Restore, Create and Undo.
> After sometime I note that Undo goes away and
> have Restore and Create options.
> This is happening all the time but cannot check the
> time duration.

Thanks AAH,

I had forgotten about the addition of the Undo option following a restore.
The length of time for which this option remains available depends on both
the space allocated to the restore archive and the size of the undo
checkpoint which will expire in the same way as other checkpoints as new
checkpoints are created, either manually or automatically. The option to
Undo will go once the undo checkpoint is removed from the archive but may
possibly be removed earlier than that - it's not something I recall having
checked myself.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com

 

[AAH]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

Mike
Thanks for furthrt information.

"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:u8tKX3xUIHA.2464@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> AAH <aah@chakcomnet.net> wrote:
>
> > Mike
> > If I restore a point successfully and restart my machine
> > and run the SR, the 3 options are there.
> > Restore, Create and Undo.
> > After sometime I note that Undo goes away and
> > have Restore and Create options.
> > This is happening all the time but cannot check the
> > time duration.
>
> Thanks AAH,
>
> I had forgotten about the addition of the Undo option following a restore.
> The length of time for which this option remains available depends on both
> the space allocated to the restore archive and the size of the undo
> checkpoint which will expire in the same way as other checkpoints as new
> checkpoints are created, either manually or automatically. The option to
> Undo will go once the undo checkpoint is removed from the archive but may
> possibly be removed earlier than that - it's not something I recall having
> checked myself.
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>

 

[Bob]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

On Jan 9, 4:23 pm, "AAH" <a...@chakcomnet.net> wrote:
> Mike
> Thanks for furthrt information.
>
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
>
> news:u8tKX3xUIHA.2464@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
> > AAH <a...@chakcomnet.net> wrote:
>
> > > Mike
> > > If I restore a point successfully and restart my machine
> > > and run the SR, the 3 options are there.
> > > Restore, Create and Undo.
> > > After sometime I note that Undo goes away and
> > > have Restore and Create options.
> > > This is happening all the time but cannot check the
> > > time duration.
>
> > Thanks AAH,
>
> > I had forgotten about the addition of the Undo option following a restore.
> > The length of time for which this option remains available depends on both
> > the space allocated to the restore archive and the size of the undo
> > checkpoint which will expire in the same way as other checkpoints as new
> > checkpoints are created, either manually or automatically.  The option to
> > Undo will go once the undo checkpoint is removed from the archive but may
> > possibly be removed earlier than that - it's not something I recall having
> > checked myself.
> > --
> > Mike Maltby
> > mike.mal...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Today either I've escaped the jaws of He!! -or- WinMe is aware one of
its Masters is watching and does not dare misbehave. So today, there
is another entry. This one also begins with a checkbox but continues,
"Create a restore point".

Thank you Master Mike. I just hope the saucy thing doesn't go back to
its old slothful way when you are no longer paying close attention.

And thank you AAH. I will be looking for the undo option you
described. Maybe there is a registry entry for controlling how long
the Undo option (which I have read about but never seen myself) is
available?

Since this may be my Lucky Day, let me ask a related question. I
noticed C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RESTORE
contains a list of important files in the XML file FILELIST.XML. Is
this to say these are all the files that go in a restore point?

 

[Mike M]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

> And thank you AAH. I will be looking for the undo option you
> described. Maybe there is a registry entry for controlling how long
> the Undo option (which I have read about but never seen myself) is
> available?

Please read my post. There is NO registry entry.

> Since this may be my Lucky Day, let me ask a related question. I
> noticed C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RESTORE
> contains a list of important files in the XML file FILELIST.XML. Is
> this to say these are all the files that go in a restore point?

Yes and no. The section
<FILES> <SFP> lists those files protected by Win Me's System File
Protection
<FILES> <Exclude> lists files specifically excluded from System Restore
<FILES> <Include> lists those files specifically monitored by SR
<DIRECTORIES> <Exclude> lists those folders specifically excluded from
System Restore
<DIRECTORIES> <Include> lists folders specifically monitored by SR
<EXTENSIONS> <Include> lists file types monitored by SR

SFP only protects files listed in <FILES><SFP> and not others with
identical names but in other locations.
SR only monitors files whose file type is listed in <EXTENSIONS> and are
also located in a monitored location.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Bob <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote:

> Today either I've escaped the jaws of He!! -or- WinMe is aware one of
> its Masters is watching and does not dare misbehave. So today, there
> is another entry. This one also begins with a checkbox but continues,
> "Create a restore point".
>
> Thank you Master Mike. I just hope the saucy thing doesn't go back to
> its old slothful way when you are no longer paying close attention.
>
> And thank you AAH. I will be looking for the undo option you
> described. Maybe there is a registry entry for controlling how long
> the Undo option (which I have read about but never seen myself) is
> available?
>
> Since this may be my Lucky Day, let me ask a related question. I
> noticed C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RESTORE
> contains a list of important files in the XML file FILELIST.XML. Is
> this to say these are all the files that go in a restore point?

 

[Bob]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

On Jan 10, 12:25 pm, "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote:
> > And thank you AAH. I will be looking for the undo option you
> > described. Maybe there is a registry entry for controlling how long
> > the Undo option (which I have read about but never seen myself) is
> > available?
>
> Please read my post.  There is NO registry entry.
>
> > Since this may be my Lucky Day, let me ask a related question.  I
> > noticed C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RESTORE
> > contains a list of important files in the XML file FILELIST.XML. Is
> > this to say these are all the files that go in a restore point?
>
> Yes and no.  The section
> <FILES> <SFP> lists those files protected by Win Me's System File
> Protection
> <FILES> <Exclude> lists files specifically excluded from System Restore
> <FILES> <Include> lists those files specifically monitored by SR
> <DIRECTORIES> <Exclude> lists those folders specifically excluded from
> System Restore
> <DIRECTORIES> <Include> lists folders specifically monitored by SR
> <EXTENSIONS> <Include> lists file types monitored by SR
>
> SFP only protects files listed in <FILES><SFP> and not others with
> identical names but in other locations.
> SR only monitors files whose file type is listed in <EXTENSIONS> and are
> also located in a monitored location.
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.mal...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> Bob <SierraBrot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Today either I've escaped the jaws of He!! -or- WinMe is aware one of
> > its Masters is watching and does not dare misbehave. So today, there
> > is another entry. This one also begins with a checkbox but continues,
> > "Create a restore point".
>
> > Thank you Master Mike. I just hope the saucy thing doesn't go back to
> > its old slothful way when you are no longer paying close attention.
>
> > And thank you AAH. I will be looking for the undo option you
> > described. Maybe there is a registry entry for controlling how long
> > the Undo option (which I have read about but never seen myself) is
> > available?
>
> > Since this may be my Lucky Day, let me ask a related question.  I
> > noticed C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RESTORE
> > contains a list of important files in the XML file FILELIST.XML. Is
> > this to say these are all the files that go in a restore point?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you again, Mike. That answer shed a lot of light on the SR and
SFP subjects. Kind of reminds me of the WinDif program.

SFP is another one of the WinME features that I've heard about but
have seen few little visible indication that it is enabled on my
computer. That initself might be strong evidence it IS working. If
the archives subdirectory of the _restore directory is where the
restore points are kept, where are the master copies of system files
that SFP works from? Not the original install CD because that would
not have any service pack updates? I see an sfp directory under
Windows\System as well as the SFB sub dir under _Restore...

Anyhow Mike, Thank you and the rest of the VIPs so much for all your
help.

 

[Mike M]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

Bob <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you again, Mike. That answer shed a lot of light on the SR and
> SFP subjects. Kind of reminds me of the WinDif program.
>
> SFP is another one of the WinME features that I've heard about but
> have seen few little visible indication that it is enabled on my
> computer. That initself might be strong evidence it IS working. If
> the archives subdirectory of the _restore directory is where the
> restore points are kept, where are the master copies of system files
> that SFP works from?

The installed file is the master file. What SFP does is prevent it being
either deleted or modified without an associated signed catalogue entry
which is then used to modify the index sfpdb.sfp used by SFP to verify the
correct version.

> Not the original install CD because that would
> not have any service pack updates? I see an sfp directory under
> Windows\System as well as the SFB sub dir under _Restore...

The _RESTORE\SFP is transiently used to store deleted copies of SFP
protected files prior to their being either restored if the change is
unauthorised or archived if authorised.

Note that the "engine" driving both SFP and SR is Win Me's state manager
(stmgr.exe) with the difference being that SFP is used to protect a small
set of files (880 odd) in specific locations from both deletion or
unauthorised modification whilst SR archives copies of a much larger set
of files (some 570 or so file types, so potentially many thousand files)
regardless for the most part of their location so that, if required, they
can be restored by rolling the system back to an earlier checkpoint.

> Anyhow Mike, Thank you and the rest of the VIPs so much for all your
> help.

You might want to have a look at a recent thread in
microsoft.public.windowsme.systemtools where we have been talking about
the file filelist.xml which is used by both SFP and SR and how to include
and exclude files and folder from system restore's embrace.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com

 

[AAH]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

which is
strictly deism, almost as far removed from the Christian religion as
atheism, which is its exact opposite. And thence they conclude that this
religion is not true, because they do not see that all things concur to the
establishment of this point, that God does not manifest Himself to men with
all the evidence which He could show.

But let them conclude what they will against deism, they will conclude
nothing against the Christian religion, which properly consists in the
mystery of the Redeemer, who, uniting in Himself the two natures, human and
divine, has redeemed men from the corruption of sin in order to reconcile
them in His divine person to God.

The Christian religion, then, teaches men these two truths; that there is a
God whom men can know, and that there is a corruption in their nature which
renders them unworthy of Him. It is equally important to men to know both
these points; and it is equally dangerous for man to know God without
knowing his own wretchedness, and to know his own wretchedness without
knowing the Redeemer who can free him from it. The knowledge of only one of
these points gives rise either to the pride of philosophers, who have known
God, and not their own wretchedness, or to the despair of atheists, who know
their own wretchedness, but not the Redeemer.

And, as it is alike necessary to man to know these two points, so is it
alike merciful of God to have made us know them. The Christian religion does
this; it is in this that it consists.

Let us herein examine the order of the world and see if all things do not
tend to establish these two chief points of this religion: Jesus Christ is
end of all, and the c

 

[Mike M]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

why they do not go
down to hell at each moment, is not because God, in whose power they
are, is not then very angry with them; as he is with many miserable
creatures now tormented in hell, who there feel and bear the fierceness
of his wrath. Yea, God is a great deal more angry with great numbers
that are now on earth: yea, doubtless, with many that are now in this
congregation, who it may be are at ease, than he is with many of those
who are now in the flames of hell. So that it is not because God is
unmindful of their wickedness, and does not resent it, that he does not
let loose his hand and cut them off. God is not altogether such an one
as themselves, though they may imagine him to be so. The wrath of God
burns against them, their damnation does not slumber; the pit is
prepared, the fire is made ready, the furnace is now hot, ready to
receive them; the flames do now rage and glow. The glittering sword is
whet, and held over them, and the pit hath opened its mouth under them.


The devil stands ready to fall upon them, and seize them as his own, at
what moment God shall permit him. They belong to him; he has their souls
in his possession, and under his dominion. The scripture represents them
as his goods, Luke 11:12. The devils watch them; they a

 

[Bob]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

remarkable for their distinct knowledge in things that relate to heart
religion, and Christian experience, and their great regards thereto.

I am the third minister who has been settled in the town. The Rev. Mr.
Eleazer Mather, who was the first, was ordained in July, 1669. He was
one whose heart was much in his work, and abundant in labors for the
good of precious souls. He had the high esteem and great love for his
people, and was blessed with no small success. The Rev. Mr. Stoddard who
succeeded him, came first to the town the November after his death; but
was not ordained till September 11, 1672, and died February 11, 1728-9.
So that he continued in the work of the ministry here, from his first
coming to town, near 60 years. And as he was eminent and renowned for
his gifts and grace; so he was blessed, from the beginning, with
extraordinary success in his ministry, in the conversion of many souls.
He had five harvests, as he called them. The first was about 57 years
ago; the second about 53; the third about 40; the fourth about 24; the
fifth and last about 18 years ago. Some of these times were much more
remarkable than others, and the ingathering of souls more plentiful.
Those about 53, and 40, and 24 years ago, were much greater than either
the first or the last: but in each of them, I have heard my grandfather
say, the greater part of the young people in the town, seemed to be
mainly concerned for their eternal salvation.

After the last of these, came a far more degenerate time (at least among
the young people), I suppose, than ever before. Mr. Stoddard, indeed,
had the comfort, before he died, of seeing a time where there were no

 

[Bob]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

the power to seize your
business, home, bank account, records and personal property,
all without indictment, hearing, or trial.

- Everything you have can be taken away at the whim of one or two
federal or state officials operating in secret

- The loss of basic American constitutional guarantees: due process,
the presumption of innocence, and the right to own and enjoy
private property


Imagine all that happened on one day.

What do you think would have happened next?


Civil war would have broken out.

We no longer live in the home of the brave, land of the free.

We are controlled by the hand of the Freeh, beating the Drum of Fear.


It happened slowly over decades, a steady
drum-beat of destruction of the American Way.

Solely for the benefit of those in power.

Not for the people.

It's supposed to be 'government *for* the people, by the people'.

We have slowly reached a state of McCarthyism against any elected
official who shows ANY "SIGNS OF SOFTNESS" in the War against Crime.

The constant state of War against imaginary enemies must end.

By imaginary, I mean crime was going down the whole War time.

All we are saying, is give peace a chance.


----

I repeat: Civil war would have broken out.

----


Dire suspension of Constitutional protections happens during War:

Abraham Lincoln ordered thousands of people detained without hearings,
and opposition newspapers shut down during the Civil War. During
World War II: the president orders Japanese and such to be held in
internment camps.

So why do we have all these loss of freedoms during peacetime?

Answer:

Because the Military has never stopped fighting World War II.

# "Spy Agencies Faulted for War Focus"
# By Tim Wiener, The New York Times, June 28, 1996
#
# American inte

 

[AAH]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

both of them told me to this purpose, that if, at the time, they had
entertained the least fear that they were not at peace with this so
great a God, they should certainly have died.

It is worthy to be remarked, that some persons, by their conversion,
seem to be greatly helped as to their doctrinal notions of religion. It
was particularly remarkable in one, who, having been taken captive in
his childhood, was trained up m Canada in the popish religion. Some
years since he returned to this his native place, and was in a measure
brought off from popery; but seemed very awkward and dull in receiving
any clear notion of the Protestant scheme till he was converted; and
then he was remarkably altered in this respect.

There is a vast difference, as observed, in the degree, and also in the
particular manner, of persons' experiences, both at and after
conversion; some have grace working more sensibly in one way, others in
another. Some speak more fully of a conviction of the justice of God in
their condemnation; others, more of their consenting to the way of
salvation by Christ; and some, more of the actings of love to God and
Christ. Some speak more of acts of affiance, in a sweet and assured
conviction of the truth and faithfulness of God in His promises; others,
more of their choosing and resting in God as their whole and everlasting
portion; and of their ardent and longing desire after God, to have
communion with Him; and others, more of their abhorrence to themselves
for their past sins, and earnest longings to live to God's glory for the
time to come. But it seems evidently to be the same work, the same
habitual change wrought in the heart; it all tends the same way, and to
the same end; and it is plainly the same spirit that breathes and acts
in various persons. There is an endless variety in the particular manner
and circumstances in which persons are wrought on; and an opportunity of

 

[Mike M]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

itself of their casuists cannot give assurance to a
conscience in error, and that is why it is important to choose good guides.

Thus they will be doubly culpable, both in having followed ways which they
should not have followed, and in having listened to teachers to whom they
should not have listened.

910. Can it be anything but compliance with the world which makes you find
things probable? Will you make us believe that it is truth and that, if
duelling were not the fashion, you would find it probable that they might
fight, considering the matter in itself.?

911. Must we kill to prevent there being any wicked? This is to make both
parties wicked instead of one. Vince in bono malum.227 (Saint Augustine.)

912. Universal.--Ethics and language are special, but universal sciences.

913. Probability.--Each one can employ it; no one can take it away.

914. They allow lust to act, and check scruples; whereas they should do the
contrary.

915. Montalte.--Lax opinions please men so much, that it is strange that
theirs displease. It is because they have exceeded all bounds. Again, there
are many people who see the truth, and who cannot attain to it; but there
are few who do not know that the purity of religion is opposed to our
corruptions. It is absurd to say that an eternal recompense is offered to
the morality of Escobar.

916. Probability.--They have some true principles; but they misuse them.
Now,

 

[Bob]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

the world. I should much like to see an Italian work, of which I only know
the title, which alone is worth many books, Della opinione regina del mondo.
I approve of the book without knowing it, save the evil in it, if any. These
are pretty much the effects of that deceptive faculty, which seems to have
been expressly given us to lead us into necessary error. We have, however,
many other sources of error.

Not only are old impressions capable of misleading us; the charms of novelty
have the same power. Hence arise all the disputes of men, who taunt each
other either with following the false impressions of childhood or with
running rashly after the new. Who keeps the due mean? Let him appear and
prove it. There is no principle, however natural to us from infancy, which
may not be made to pass for a false impression either of education or of
sense.

"Because," say some, "you have believed from childhood that a box was empty
when you saw nothing in it, you have believed in the possibility of a
vacuum. This is an illusion of your senses, strengthened by custom, which
science must correct." "Because," say others, "you have been taught at
school that there is no vacuum, you have perverted your common sense which
clearly co

 

[Mike M]

Re: System Restore has a CreateRestore option?

are intuitive and that men of intuition are mathematicians,
because mathematicians wish to treat matters of intuition mathematically and
make themselves ridiculous, wishing to begin with definitions and then with
axioms, which is not the way to proceed in this kind of reasoning. Not that
the mind does not do so, but it does it tacitly, naturally, and without
technical rules; for the expression of it is beyond all men, and only a few
can feel it.

Intuitive minds, on the contrary, being thus accustomed to judge at a single
glance, are so astonished when they are presented with propositions of which
they understand nothing, and the way to which is through definitions and
axioms so sterile, and which they are not accustomed to see thus in detail,
that they are repelled and disheartened.

But dull minds are never either intuitive or mathematical.

Mathematicians who are only mathematicians have exact minds, provided all
things are explained to them by means of definitions and axioms; otherwise
they are inaccurate and insufferable, for they are