Vista is fantastict!!!

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Most new PCs shipped without Windows Vista in 2007
According to Bill Gates

By Egan Orion: Tuesday, 08 January 2008, 12:28 PM


IN HIS KICKOFF keynote performance at the CES 2008 show in Las Vegas on
Sunday, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates proudly announced that the company
sold more than 100 million copies of Windows Vista in the first year of its
availability.
However, InformationWeek shrewdly notes that, while that's a little more
than 10 per cent more copies than the upwards of 89 million copies of
Windows XP sold in its first year starting in late 2001, the PC market has
almost doubled in size in the interim.

It quotes Gartner that PC shipments totaled 132.4 million units in 2002 and
are expected to reach 255.7 million units in 2007. Licking a pencil and
applying it to paper, InformationWeek roughly figures that Windows XP
captured 67 per cent of the new PC market in 2002, while Windows Vista
takeup on new PCs shipped in 2007 amounted to only 39 per cent.

Microsoft might boast about shipping 100 million copies of Windows Vista,
but it must be merely putting on a brave face to hide its embarrassment at
having failed to hype Vista enough to excite more than 39 per cent of new PC
buyers to take it.

Consumer aversion to Vista is so pronounced the major PC OEMs like Dell and
HP literally mutinied last year, successfully demanding that Microsoft
extend the availability of Windows XP preloads. Windows XP is leaner and
faster than Vista.

Microsoft has only itself to blame for the failure of Windows Vista. Several
years late, the Vole's long awaited 'revolutionary' new OS showed up lacking
most of the 'great' advancements Microsoft had promised.

Released as a sort of public beta, as is Microsoft's long-standing practice
with all of its new software versions, Vista is bloated, sluggish, and
buggy.

Vista's high resource demands required users to buy all brand new, expensive
hardware systems to run it. Vista's software architecture requires the
hardware manufacturers to write new Windows software drivers, and many older
PC interface cards and peripheral hardware devices aren't supported at all.

Vista's new Digital Restrictions Management scheme has users reverting to
XP.

An InformationWeek survey found that 30 per cent of corporate IT shops won't
ever upgrade to Vista.

Besides Windows XP, PC users also have other desktop OS alternatives now,
such as Apple's Leopard OS and all of the Linux distributions, which come in
so many varieties now that there's surely a flavour to satisfy practically
any user's needs and preferences.

But Bill Gates must be happy. He stuck 100 million new PC punters with
Vista.
 
Re: Vista is fantastict!!!

> Vista's high resource demands required users to buy all brand new, ***
> expensive ***
> hardware systems to run it.

For about $1000 - 1200 one can get a very nice laptop with a dual processor
2 GHz, 64-bit processor. 4 GB notebook RAM costs a whole $80, a 200 GB
7200 RPM hard drive or a 320 GB 5400 RPM hard drive for the laptop costs
about $200 (www.newegg.com ). Very hard to spend a lot of money for a very
high performance laptop that easily runs Vista.

I'm running Vista 64 on a Core 2 Dual 1.8 GHz, 4 GB RAM, 7200 RPM hard
drive. Not so much money at the above prices.

"Edward angley" <langed@mitfield.net> wrote in message
news:47841919$0$28849$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Most new PCs shipped without Windows Vista in 2007
> According to Bill Gates
>
> By Egan Orion: Tuesday, 08 January 2008, 12:28 PM
>
>
> IN HIS KICKOFF keynote performance at the CES 2008 show in Las Vegas on
> Sunday, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates proudly announced that the company
> sold more than 100 million copies of Windows Vista in the first year of
> its availability.
> However, InformationWeek shrewdly notes that, while that's a little more
> than 10 per cent more copies than the upwards of 89 million copies of
> Windows XP sold in its first year starting in late 2001, the PC market has
> almost doubled in size in the interim.
>
> It quotes Gartner that PC shipments totaled 132.4 million units in 2002
> and are expected to reach 255.7 million units in 2007. Licking a pencil
> and applying it to paper, InformationWeek roughly figures that Windows XP
> captured 67 per cent of the new PC market in 2002, while Windows Vista
> takeup on new PCs shipped in 2007 amounted to only 39 per cent.
>
> Microsoft might boast about shipping 100 million copies of Windows Vista,
> but it must be merely putting on a brave face to hide its embarrassment at
> having failed to hype Vista enough to excite more than 39 per cent of new
> PC buyers to take it.
>
> Consumer aversion to Vista is so pronounced the major PC OEMs like Dell
> and HP literally mutinied last year, successfully demanding that Microsoft
> extend the availability of Windows XP preloads. Windows XP is leaner and
> faster than Vista.
>
> Microsoft has only itself to blame for the failure of Windows Vista.
> Several years late, the Vole's long awaited 'revolutionary' new OS showed
> up lacking most of the 'great' advancements Microsoft had promised.
>
> Released as a sort of public beta, as is Microsoft's long-standing
> practice with all of its new software versions, Vista is bloated,
> sluggish, and buggy.
>
> Vista's high resource demands required users to buy all brand new,
> expensive hardware systems to run it. Vista's software architecture
> requires the hardware manufacturers to write new Windows software drivers,
> and many older PC interface cards and peripheral hardware devices aren't
> supported at all.
>
> Vista's new Digital Restrictions Management scheme has users reverting to
> XP.
>
> An InformationWeek survey found that 30 per cent of corporate IT shops
> won't ever upgrade to Vista.
>
> Besides Windows XP, PC users also have other desktop OS alternatives now,
> such as Apple's Leopard OS and all of the Linux distributions, which come
> in so many varieties now that there's surely a flavour to satisfy
> practically any user's needs and preferences.
>
> But Bill Gates must be happy. He stuck 100 million new PC punters with
> Vista.
>
>
 
Re: Vista is fantastict!!!

And this is useful information?

I remember back when the IT department I work for now said the same thing
about Windows 2000. Oh and guess what, after people got over the usual fear
of new software, we got plenty of Windows 2000 machines and we're still
using several Windows 2000 servers without a problem among them. This is
just the same scenario all over again every time they release a new OS.

Year 1: "This new OS is bloated, buggy, too expensive, and worthless! Wait
for SP1!"
Year 2: "Hey all that neat software I want is written for this new OS,
better give it at least a trial run"
Year 3: "This is how computing should be, I can't even remember how I got
around with that last OS"

Repeat ad nauseum...

"Edward angley" <langed@mitfield.net> wrote in message
news:47841919$0$28849$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Most new PCs shipped without Windows Vista in 2007
> According to Bill Gates
>
> By Egan Orion: Tuesday, 08 January 2008, 12:28 PM
>
>
> IN HIS KICKOFF keynote performance at the CES 2008 show in Las Vegas on
> Sunday, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates proudly announced that the company
> sold more than 100 million copies of Windows Vista in the first year of
> its availability.
> However, InformationWeek shrewdly notes that, while that's a little more
> than 10 per cent more copies than the upwards of 89 million copies of
> Windows XP sold in its first year starting in late 2001, the PC market has
> almost doubled in size in the interim.
>
> It quotes Gartner that PC shipments totaled 132.4 million units in 2002
> and are expected to reach 255.7 million units in 2007. Licking a pencil
> and applying it to paper, InformationWeek roughly figures that Windows XP
> captured 67 per cent of the new PC market in 2002, while Windows Vista
> takeup on new PCs shipped in 2007 amounted to only 39 per cent.
>
> Microsoft might boast about shipping 100 million copies of Windows Vista,
> but it must be merely putting on a brave face to hide its embarrassment at
> having failed to hype Vista enough to excite more than 39 per cent of new
> PC buyers to take it.
>
> Consumer aversion to Vista is so pronounced the major PC OEMs like Dell
> and HP literally mutinied last year, successfully demanding that Microsoft
> extend the availability of Windows XP preloads. Windows XP is leaner and
> faster than Vista.
>
> Microsoft has only itself to blame for the failure of Windows Vista.
> Several years late, the Vole's long awaited 'revolutionary' new OS showed
> up lacking most of the 'great' advancements Microsoft had promised.
>
> Released as a sort of public beta, as is Microsoft's long-standing
> practice with all of its new software versions, Vista is bloated,
> sluggish, and buggy.
>
> Vista's high resource demands required users to buy all brand new,
> expensive hardware systems to run it. Vista's software architecture
> requires the hardware manufacturers to write new Windows software drivers,
> and many older PC interface cards and peripheral hardware devices aren't
> supported at all.
>
> Vista's new Digital Restrictions Management scheme has users reverting to
> XP.
>
> An InformationWeek survey found that 30 per cent of corporate IT shops
> won't ever upgrade to Vista.
>
> Besides Windows XP, PC users also have other desktop OS alternatives now,
> such as Apple's Leopard OS and all of the Linux distributions, which come
> in so many varieties now that there's surely a flavour to satisfy
> practically any user's needs and preferences.
>
> But Bill Gates must be happy. He stuck 100 million new PC punters with
> Vista.
>
>
 
Re: Vista is fantastict!!!


"David F" <dfumento@ATSIGNgmailDOT.com> wrote in message
> For about $1000 - 1200 one can get a very nice laptop with a dual
> processor 2 GHz, 64-bit processor.

This wasn't really the point; methinks you missed it altogether, and so did
the poster after you, "John Adams." Oh well :(
 
Re: Vista is fantastict!!!

No, you missed the point of this newsgroup. Folks are here to talk about
64bit, learn from each other, and help each other. We're not here to bash
Bill Gates (who doesn't run the company and hasn't for several years), nor
post non-productive messages attacking people, processors, software (except
when they don't support 64bit), or operating systems.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Edward angley" <langed@mitfield.net> wrote in message
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>
> "David F" <dfumento@ATSIGNgmailDOT.com> wrote in message
>> For about $1000 - 1200 one can get a very nice laptop with a dual
>> processor 2 GHz, 64-bit processor.
>
> This wasn't really the point; methinks you missed it altogether, and so
> did the poster after you, "John Adams." Oh well :(
>
 
Re: Vista is fantastict!!!

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:45:10 -0500, "Edward angley" <langed@mitfield.net>
wrote:

>IN HIS KICKOFF keynote performance at the CES 2008 show in Las Vegas on
>Sunday, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates proudly announced that the company
>sold more than 100 million copies of Windows Vista in the first year of its
>availability.

What an idle remark! Vista is forced on you when you buy a new PC nowadays,
so I would hardly call that "we sold 100 million copies", because there is
no other choice. If Vista was bought by 100 million people all on their own
wish and demand, now that would be something to be very proud of, but not
this way. Mr gates lost some credit-points with me now :-(

jud
 
Re: Vista is fantastict!!!

It may be forced on you, but the PC manufacturers do not take the selection
of an OS lightly. They have to support whatever system they install.
They have selected Vista because they know the vast majority of users want
it. They can find a computer with XP if they look around and want it.

"Jud Hendrix" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:1er8o31uva47gmsegtpp60l9au8gjcjd36@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:45:10 -0500, "Edward angley" <langed@mitfield.net>
> wrote:
>
>>IN HIS KICKOFF keynote performance at the CES 2008 show in Las Vegas on
>>Sunday, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates proudly announced that the company
>>sold more than 100 million copies of Windows Vista in the first year of
>>its
>>availability.
>
> What an idle remark! Vista is forced on you when you buy a new PC
> nowadays,
> so I would hardly call that "we sold 100 million copies", because there is
> no other choice. If Vista was bought by 100 million people all on their
> own
> wish and demand, now that would be something to be very proud of, but not
> this way. Mr gates lost some credit-points with me now :-(
>
> jud
 
Re: Vista is fantastict!!!

They can find a computer with XP if they look around and want it.
>
I am a fan of Vista but in all fairness you don't have to look very far.
IBM/Lenovo for Thinkpads offers a choice of Vista or Win XP on their
configuration web site.

If Vista does happen to take more resources than XP that only makes sense
because hardware has improved so much in power and cost (price performance)
since Win XP was released. We want the OS to work well for newer and faster
hardware as well. Vista does a lot more for me in terms of reducing the
amount of time I need to do something and that is important.
"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:uhaGB7rUIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> It may be forced on you, but the PC manufacturers do not take the
> selection of an OS lightly. They have to support whatever system they
> install.
> They have selected Vista because they know the vast majority of users want
> it. They can find a computer with XP if they look around and want it.
>
> "Jud Hendrix" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> news:1er8o31uva47gmsegtpp60l9au8gjcjd36@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:45:10 -0500, "Edward angley" <langed@mitfield.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>IN HIS KICKOFF keynote performance at the CES 2008 show in Las Vegas on
>>>Sunday, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates proudly announced that the company
>>>sold more than 100 million copies of Windows Vista in the first year of
>>>its
>>>availability.
>>
>> What an idle remark! Vista is forced on you when you buy a new PC
>> nowadays,
>> so I would hardly call that "we sold 100 million copies", because there
>> is
>> no other choice. If Vista was bought by 100 million people all on their
>> own
>> wish and demand, now that would be something to be very proud of, but not
>> this way. Mr gates lost some credit-points with me now :-(
>>
>> jud
>
 
Re: Vista is fantastict!!!


And here is another productive message straight from the UK for Charlie
Russel MVP (Most Valuable Player?):


What Bill Gates did next
INQUIRER Top Ten Suggestions for a fad-wadded geek with time on his hands

By Paul Taylor: Wednesday, 09 January 2008, 1:14 PM


SUGGESTED jobs for Bill:

MC Gates – Following the footsteps of his long-time idol, Melle Mel,
Bill turns to hip-hop and becomes an MC. He battles night-after-night in
the clubs of Detroit while working his day job at the DVD stamping
factory. In this time-continuum, MC Gatez writes a song about his
estranged father who cut him off from his trust fund, calling it “My
Dad’s Gone Crazy” and – oddly enough - getting sued by an artist who
wrote an identically titled song.

CEO of Africa – You know he wants it. You know he’s been working on this
for some time now. In one fell swoop, Bill buys out dictators and
democratically-elected rulers alike (no 401k’s for them!), extinguishes
poverty, cures AIDS and gives the rest of the World a well deserved
stiff middle finger. The whole continent could do with some Bill Gates
managerial skills. Granted, the only BASIC he’ll have will be the
infrastructure, and it won’t be on his side, but he IS Bill Gates, is he
not?

Back-to-the-Roots-Bill – Nostalgia strikes Bill in his late years. He
opens a hippie commune in southern California and invests his entire
fortune into turning Mexico into a hemp farm – the 70’s makes a
comeback. Steve Jobs joins him and, in the misty haze, they manage to
reconcile Voles and the Jobs Mob. Thankfully, they are no longer able to
let their hair grow long.

Linux Evangelist – In a sudden shocking role-reversal, Bill Gates “sees
the light” and becomes the world’s first and foremost Linux evangelist,
travelling across the world campaigning against Windows. The high point
of this conversion of faith is when Torvalds and Bill meet in Germany
and hug emphatically, ripping apart the space-time continuum and
sparking the instant conversion of all German government computers into
Linux boxes.

Hollywood Movie Star – taking advantage of his enormous fortune, Bill
will buy out New Line Cinema and hire Peter Jackson to bring to life the
Halo movie, starring Bill as Master Chief. Action turns to comedy as
Covenant grunts are depicted as smallish penguins in battle armour while
Cortana is actually based on Windows 7.0 and keeps getting BSODs and/or
sticking Bill up the wrong alley. With a gazillion dollar budget, he
launches the movie on HD-DVD believing it will bring new business to the
XBox 360. It bombs.

Rockstar Bill – Gates buys his own label, hires the best musicians and
composers from across the world. Also hires Snoop Dog as personal image
consultant. Bundles his first and only album with Zune 2 and is
automatically inducted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum
after 1 week on the store shelf. Divorces wife, trades-in for 20
year-old groupie with airbags. Joins the Rolling Stones becoming the
youngest member of the band at age 52.

Space Cowboy Bill – Joining forces with Sir Richard Branson’s Virgin
Galactic, Bill Gates becomes the biggest financier behind the commercial
exploration of space. His Mars project is estimated to cost the same as
12 Longhorns. Ironically he will pick himself as the first man on Mars
and the mission will tragically fail when the onboard computer on the
Mars landing module BSODs while activating its retros… *splat*. Back on
Earth, Sir Richard promptly pops open another bottle of bubbly and
toasts the now defunct financier that left this world (literally) but
whose money has banked the next-gen SpaceShip Three (software based on
an open-source OS, of course).

President of The USA Bill runs as an independent and replaces all voting
machines with Windoze boxes, in a process reminiscent of the Florida
vote SNAFU, eliminating any option of voting any candidate other than
himself. He also sets voting discipline within Microsoft, in case one of
his own gets all smart-alecky and reprograms the boxes. Once elected he
proceeds to withdraw American troops from Iraq and replaces them with
MCSEs. As they speak no language common to man, Iraqis (on any side)
find them to be perfect target practice for their age-old AK-47. Fox is
replaced by MSNBC.

Vengeful Bill – Bill Gates dedicates the remainder of his life pursuing
Belgian Noël Godin after the latter smashed pie all over Bill’s face,
back in 1998 (talk about holding a grudge). He will also pursue
smart-ass journos and other lower life forms that stood in the way of
Windoze’s “success”. He also puts out a price on the head of everyone
named Gill Bates and the kids that made fun of him in his youth. This
will eventually land him in San Quentin prison where he will spend the
rest of his life being made fun of by dubious characters. He will never
take a shower again.

And last but not least

Chief Software Boffin of Microsoft In a move that would surprise no-one,
the Mr. Hyde in Bill takes over and he simply creates an honorific
title, bestows it upon himself, and creepily stays in charge of
Microsoft deeming that he will be in charge of Future Software
Architectures. Eventually clones himself and perpetuates his rule over
Microsoft for the next millennia (ie: Windows 7 through 10). µ
 
Re: Vista is fantastict!!!

"David F" <dfumento@ATSIGNgmailDOT.com> wrote in message
news:7FBC06D2-80EF-4822-98F5-15345920703E@microsoft.com...
> If Vista does happen to take more resources than XP that only makes sense
> because hardware has improved so much in power and cost (price
> performance)

I don't quite buy the "Vista performance worse than XP" statement. The
benchmarks I have seen so far either runs with services like Defender
enabled, or they strangle the test configuration by skimping on memory. (I
haven't been limited to 1GB memory for many years -- it isn't a realistic
target IMNSHO, test configurations should start at 2GB)

There are some obvious problems. E.g. Vista disables accelerations in most
GDI functions. A synthetic benchmark will reveal that many GDI operations
are much slower than on XP. Not a problem in the real world, but shows up in
benchmarks all the same...

The lack of network performance is a real issue afaik, but not a showstopper
for most people. My laptop squirts away 400Mbps and I'm content with that.
(probably limited by its hard drive in any case)

The biggest problem is driver maturity. When companies like nVidia are
(still) struggling to get a decent driver up and running, then something is
clearly amiss. But I can't really blame MSFT for that. nVidia could have
started work on their driver much earlier. It isn't as if Vista was released
sooner than announced/expected!

--
Rune
 
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