Multiple TS Servers License Q

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I have recently setup a TS and don't have much, if any experience with TS
tools. My servers are Server 2003, SP2. I purchased 10 licenses and set
them up per device. I setup a TS license server and the four users that so
far are using TS have had no problems.

TS was setup in Bldg A and current TS users are in Bldg A, IT staff remoring
to workstations and servers in other buildings, or connecting tho the TS
server from Bldg B.

Now I have a staff that needs to connect from bldg A to a server in Bldg C
where there are files that are to be modified and used on a regular basis.

Do I need to add TS as a service on the server in bldg C ??

What basic steps do I need to follow to have this staff log on remotely to
the Bldg C server in oreder to use MS Office products to use Office files?

dave Admini
 
Re: Multiple TS Servers License Q

I don't understand what the different buildings have to do with it.
Can't you just make the datafiles accessible to this user when he
is logged on to the existing TS?
Data files should never be located on a TS, they should be located
on a file server which you can access throughout the network,
either from a workstation or from within a TS session.
Or am I missing something?
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

"dave m" <dmackler@mds.acsol.net> wrote on 24 jan 2008 in
microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> I have recently setup a TS and don't have much, if any
> experience with TS tools. My servers are Server 2003, SP2. I
> purchased 10 licenses and set them up per device. I setup a TS
> license server and the four users that so far are using TS have
> had no problems.
>
> TS was setup in Bldg A and current TS users are in Bldg A, IT
> staff remoring to workstations and servers in other buildings,
> or connecting tho the TS server from Bldg B.
>
> Now I have a staff that needs to connect from bldg A to a server
> in Bldg C where there are files that are to be modified and used
> on a regular basis.
>
> Do I need to add TS as a service on the server in bldg C ??
>
> What basic steps do I need to follow to have this staff log on
> remotely to the Bldg C server in oreder to use MS Office
> products to use Office files?
>
> dave Admini
 
Re: Multiple TS Servers License Q

Vera,

Perhaps, as usual for me, I have done a poor job of explaining.

The user works in Bldg. A and for 95% of her work, accesses files on servers
in Bldg A. She has need to access and modify files in Bldg C. Bldg C is
connected by DSL. So although mapping a drive to the appropriate folder, or
shareed folder, does work, it can take 30 seconds to open the file. So I
want to user to be able to log on to the server in Bldg C and run Excel and
WORD in a TS session. Bldg C only has about 10 users, most who only use
Outlook and WORD. There is a single server which is a DC and also the local
file server and print server.

The existing TS was setup in Bldg A to support users in Bldg C who needed to
access files in Bldg A. After setup I found that users could NOT log on to
the server in Bldg C unless they where added to the Remote Desktop Users
group. As far as I could determine, once I added TS to my AD network, any
user accessing a server remotely must be in that group and appropriate TS
licensing requirements must be met. I have no problem with that.

Perhaps I don't have a problem. The server in Bldg is not setup as a TS,
only that the user must be in the Remote Desktop Users group. The TS server
in Bldg does not have any data files located on it. Is there a practical
difference between using TS as opposed to remotely logging in to a
workstation or server ??? Really dumb question ??

dave



"Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.noest@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2FD9B88B590veranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...
>I don't understand what the different buildings have to do with it.
> Can't you just make the datafiles accessible to this user when he
> is logged on to the existing TS?
> Data files should never be located on a TS, they should be located
> on a file server which you can access throughout the network,
> either from a workstation or from within a TS session.
> Or am I missing something?
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> "dave m" <dmackler@mds.acsol.net> wrote on 24 jan 2008 in
> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
>> I have recently setup a TS and don't have much, if any
>> experience with TS tools. My servers are Server 2003, SP2. I
>> purchased 10 licenses and set them up per device. I setup a TS
>> license server and the four users that so far are using TS have
>> had no problems.
>>
>> TS was setup in Bldg A and current TS users are in Bldg A, IT
>> staff remoring to workstations and servers in other buildings,
>> or connecting tho the TS server from Bldg B.
>>
>> Now I have a staff that needs to connect from bldg A to a server
>> in Bldg C where there are files that are to be modified and used
>> on a regular basis.
>>
>> Do I need to add TS as a service on the server in bldg C ??
>>
>> What basic steps do I need to follow to have this staff log on
>> remotely to the Bldg C server in oreder to use MS Office
>> products to use Office files?
>>
>> dave Admini
>
 
Re: Multiple TS Servers License Q

On Jan 25, 7:56 am, "dave m" <dmack...@mds.acsol.net> wrote:
> Vera,
>
> Perhaps, as usual for me, I have done a poor job of explaining.
>
> The user works in Bldg. A and for 95% of her work, accesses files on servers
> in Bldg A.  She has need to access and modify files in Bldg C.  Bldg C is
> connected by DSL.  So although mapping a drive to the appropriate folder, or
> shareed folder, does work, it can take 30 seconds to open the file.  So I
> want to user to be able to log on to the server in Bldg C and run Excel and
> WORD in a TS session.  Bldg C only has about 10 users, most who only use
> Outlook and WORD.  There is a single server which is a DC and also the local
> file server and print server.
>
> The existing TS was setup in Bldg A to support users in Bldg C who needed to
> access files in Bldg A.  After setup I found that users could NOT log on to
> the server in Bldg C unless they where added to the Remote Desktop Users
> group.  As far as I could determine, once I added TS to my AD network, any
> user accessing a server remotely must be in that group and appropriate TS
> licensing requirements must be met.  I have no problem with that.
>
> Perhaps I don't have a problem.  The server in Bldg is not setup as a TS,
> only that the user must be in the Remote Desktop Users group.  The TS server
> in Bldg does not have any data files located on it. Is there a practical
> difference between using TS as opposed to remotely logging in to a
> workstation or server ???  Really dumb question ??
>
> dave
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote in messagenews:Xns9A2FD9B88B590veranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...
>
>
>
> >I don't understand what the different buildings have to do with it.
> > Can't you just make the datafiles accessible to this user when he
> > is logged on to the existing TS?
> > Data files should never be located on a TS, they should be located
> > on a file server which you can access throughout the network,
> > either from a workstation or from within a TS session.
> > Or am I missing something?
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Vera Noest
> > MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> > TS troubleshooting:  http://ts.veranoest.net
> > ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> > "dave m" <dmack...@mds.acsol.net> wrote on 24 jan 2008 in
> > microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> >> I have recently setup a TS and don't have much, if any
> >> experience with TS tools.  My servers are Server 2003, SP2.  I
> >> purchased 10 licenses and set them up per device.  I setup a TS
> >> license server and the four users that so far are using TS have
> >> had no problems.
>
> >> TS was setup in Bldg A and current TS users are in Bldg A, IT
> >> staff remoring to workstations and servers in other buildings,
> >> or connecting tho the TS server from Bldg B.
>
> >> Now I have a staff that needs to connect from bldg A to a server
> >> in Bldg C where there are files that are to be modified and used
> >> on a regular basis.
>
> >> Do I need to add TS as a service on the server in bldg C ??
>
> >> What basic steps do I need to follow to have this staff log on
> >> remotely to the Bldg C server in oreder to use MS Office
> >> products to use Office files?
>
> >> dave Admini- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hello, Dave. My interpretation of the problem you have described is
that you have ONE user that spends 5% of her time creating/modifying
files on a server that is connected via a VPN over DSL and it takes 30
seconds to load her file. I would strongly recommend that you do NOT
make your domain controller in Bldg C a Terminal Server. If you are
being pushed to provide faster load/save times for this person, then I
would go with a dedicated workstation at the offsite location for her
to connect to, however, and this is just my opinion, if it only takes
30 seconds to load the file and she only spends 5% of her time doing
her work, is this really a problem or just an annoyance?

Sidney
 
Re: Multiple TS Servers License Q

Sidney,

Thanks for the response, You got the situation correct. This user is the
company Controller/Administration Exec, so inconvenience is an issue. Your
suggested solution is one I have used before successfully between other
locations, which has now been eliminated in other locations and replaced by
a TS server. However, in this case there is no space available in Bldg C
and dedicating a PC for this one function seems a huge resource waste.

So what's the difference between TS and simple using remote access to the
server with Office installed??

dave


"Sidney Collum" <sidneycollum@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7e9f88a3-a12c-4c9c-b5c9-e077ab076e6f@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 25, 7:56 am, "dave m" <dmack...@mds.acsol.net> wrote:
> Vera,
>
> Perhaps, as usual for me, I have done a poor job of explaining.
>
> The user works in Bldg. A and for 95% of her work, accesses files on
> servers
> in Bldg A. She has need to access and modify files in Bldg C. Bldg C is
> connected by DSL. So although mapping a drive to the appropriate folder,
> or
> shareed folder, does work, it can take 30 seconds to open the file. So I
> want to user to be able to log on to the server in Bldg C and run Excel
> and
> WORD in a TS session. Bldg C only has about 10 users, most who only use
> Outlook and WORD. There is a single server which is a DC and also the
> local
> file server and print server.
>
> The existing TS was setup in Bldg A to support users in Bldg C who needed
> to
> access files in Bldg A. After setup I found that users could NOT log on to
> the server in Bldg C unless they where added to the Remote Desktop Users
> group. As far as I could determine, once I added TS to my AD network, any
> user accessing a server remotely must be in that group and appropriate TS
> licensing requirements must be met. I have no problem with that.
>
> Perhaps I don't have a problem. The server in Bldg is not setup as a TS,
> only that the user must be in the Remote Desktop Users group. The TS
> server
> in Bldg does not have any data files located on it. Is there a practical
> difference between using TS as opposed to remotely logging in to a
> workstation or server ??? Really dumb question ??
>
> dave
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote in
> messagenews:Xns9A2FD9B88B590veranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...
>
>
>
> >I don't understand what the different buildings have to do with it.
> > Can't you just make the datafiles accessible to this user when he
> > is logged on to the existing TS?
> > Data files should never be located on a TS, they should be located
> > on a file server which you can access throughout the network,
> > either from a workstation or from within a TS session.
> > Or am I missing something?
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Vera Noest
> > MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> > TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> > ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> > "dave m" <dmack...@mds.acsol.net> wrote on 24 jan 2008 in
> > microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> >> I have recently setup a TS and don't have much, if any
> >> experience with TS tools. My servers are Server 2003, SP2. I
> >> purchased 10 licenses and set them up per device. I setup a TS
> >> license server and the four users that so far are using TS have
> >> had no problems.
>
> >> TS was setup in Bldg A and current TS users are in Bldg A, IT
> >> staff remoring to workstations and servers in other buildings,
> >> or connecting tho the TS server from Bldg B.
>
> >> Now I have a staff that needs to connect from bldg A to a server
> >> in Bldg C where there are files that are to be modified and used
> >> on a regular basis.
>
> >> Do I need to add TS as a service on the server in bldg C ??
>
> >> What basic steps do I need to follow to have this staff log on
> >> remotely to the Bldg C server in oreder to use MS Office
> >> products to use Office files?
>
> >> dave Admini- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hello, Dave. My interpretation of the problem you have described is
that you have ONE user that spends 5% of her time creating/modifying
files on a server that is connected via a VPN over DSL and it takes 30
seconds to load her file. I would strongly recommend that you do NOT
make your domain controller in Bldg C a Terminal Server. If you are
being pushed to provide faster load/save times for this person, then I
would go with a dedicated workstation at the offsite location for her
to connect to, however, and this is just my opinion, if it only takes
30 seconds to load the file and she only spends 5% of her time doing
her work, is this really a problem or just an annoyance?

Sidney
 
Re: Multiple TS Servers License Q

On Jan 25, 9:56 am, "dave m" <dmack...@mds.acsol.net> wrote:
> Sidney,
>
> Thanks for the response,  You got the situation correct.  This user is the
> company Controller/Administration Exec, so inconvenience is an issue.  Your
> suggested solution is one I have used before successfully between other
> locations, which has now been eliminated in other locations and replaced by
> a TS server.  However, in this case there is no space available in Bldg C
> and dedicating a PC for this one function seems a huge resource waste.
>
> So what's the difference between TS and simple using remote access to the
> server with Office installed??
>
> dave
>
> "Sidney Collum" <sidneycol...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7e9f88a3-a12c-4c9c-b5c9-e077ab076e6f@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 25, 7:56 am, "dave m" <dmack...@mds.acsol.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Vera,
>
> > Perhaps, as usual for me, I have done a poor job of explaining.
>
> > The user works in Bldg. A and for 95% of her work, accesses files on
> > servers
> > in Bldg A. She has need to access and modify files in Bldg C. Bldg C is
> > connected by DSL. So although mapping a drive to the appropriate folder,
> > or
> > shareed folder, does work, it can take 30 seconds to open the file. So I
> > want to user to be able to log on to the server in Bldg C and run Excel
> > and
> > WORD in a TS session. Bldg C only has about 10 users, most who only use
> > Outlook and WORD. There is a single server which is a DC and also the
> > local
> > file server and print server.
>
> > The existing TS was setup in Bldg A to support users in Bldg C who needed
> > to
> > access files in Bldg A. After setup I found that users could NOT log on to
> > the server in Bldg C unless they where added to the Remote Desktop Users
> > group. As far as I could determine, once I added TS to my AD network, any
> > user accessing a server remotely must be in that group and appropriate TS
> > licensing requirements must be met. I have no problem with that.
>
> > Perhaps I don't have a problem. The server in Bldg is not setup as a TS,
> > only that the user must be in the Remote Desktop Users group. The TS
> > server
> > in Bldg does not have any data files located on it. Is there a practical
> > difference between using TS as opposed to remotely logging in to a
> > workstation or server ??? Really dumb question ??
>
> > dave
>
> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote in
> > messagenews:Xns9A2FD9B88B590veranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...
>
> > >I don't understand what the different buildings have to do with it.
> > > Can't you just make the datafiles accessible to this user when he
> > > is logged on to the existing TS?
> > > Data files should never be located on a TS, they should be located
> > > on a file server which you can access throughout the network,
> > > either from a workstation or from within a TS session.
> > > Or am I missing something?
> > > _________________________________________________________
> > > Vera Noest
> > > MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> > > TS troubleshooting:http://ts.veranoest.net
> > > ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> > > "dave m" <dmack...@mds.acsol.net> wrote on 24 jan 2008 in
> > > microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > >> I have recently setup a TS and don't have much, if any
> > >> experience with TS tools. My servers are Server 2003, SP2. I
> > >> purchased 10 licenses and set them up per device. I setup a TS
> > >> license server and the four users that so far are using TS have
> > >> had no problems.
>
> > >> TS was setup in Bldg A and current TS users are in Bldg A, IT
> > >> staff remoring to workstations and servers in other buildings,
> > >> or connecting tho the TS server from Bldg B.
>
> > >> Now I have a staff that needs to connect from bldg A to a server
> > >> in Bldg C where there are files that are to be modified and used
> > >> on a regular basis.
>
> > >> Do I need to add TS as a service on the server in bldg C ??
>
> > >> What basic steps do I need to follow to have this staff log on
> > >> remotely to the Bldg C server in oreder to use MS Office
> > >> products to use Office files?
>
> > >> dave Admini- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hello, Dave.  My interpretation of the problem you have described is
> that you have ONE user that spends 5% of her time creating/modifying
> files on a server that is connected via a VPN over DSL and it takes 30
> seconds to load her file.  I would strongly recommend that you do NOT
> make your domain controller in Bldg C a Terminal Server.  If you are
> being pushed to provide faster load/save times for this person, then I
> would go with a dedicated workstation at the offsite location for her
> to connect to, however, and this is just my opinion, if it only takes
> 30 seconds to load the file and she only spends 5% of her time doing
> her work, is this really a problem or just an annoyance?
>
> Sidney- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


The difference is that TS has 2 modes: Application and Remote
Administration. Your domain controller should be in Remote
Administration mode, so a quick and dirty fix would be to give her
administrative privileges to the server in Bldg C so that she can use
Remote Desktop to logon to that server. However, most administrators
would shy away from doing that due to the potential for "accidents"
that could happen. In fact, I would not even mention to the user that
this is a possibility. Instead, I would present a couple of options
to her to choose from that show the total cost of each solution. This
way, she can determine what those 30 seconds are worth to her. For
example, a used Dell PC with XP Pro and 512MB RAM can be obtained for
less than $250 and installed, thereby NOT giving her server access.

Sidney
 
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