Hypothetical.

[rod]

Is it possible to have a file on CD
that is not moveable?
I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan.
I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the
trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.

 

[MEB]

Re: Hypothetical.



"rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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| Is it possible to have a file on CD
| that is not moveable?
| I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan.
| I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the
| trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.
|

Entirely likely. Most Anti-virus [and real time anti-spyware] programs
attempt to protect the user from making mistakes in judgment.
If you really want to move it, temporarily disable your Anti-virus [and
spyware if real time] program, make sure you re-enable it BEFORE doing
anything else with that file. RESTART, just to make sure the programs you
use are running properly. Also make sure that the variant IS removable
before you start BY your particular program.
HOWEVER, unless that file is absolutely irreplacable, and you're sure your
protection programs can protect you from the potential damage, try to find
an uninfected version of that file somewhere else.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

 

[rod]

Re: Hypothetical.


"MEB"
> Entirely likely. Most Anti-virus [and real time anti-spyware] programs
> attempt to protect the user from making mistakes in judgment.
> If you really want to move it, temporarily disable your Anti-virus [and
> spyware if real time] program, make sure you re-enable it BEFORE doing
> anything else with that file. RESTART, just to make sure the programs you
> use are running properly. Also make sure that the variant IS removable
> before you start BY your particular program.
> HOWEVER, unless that file is absolutely irreplacable, and you're sure your
> protection programs can protect you from the potential damage, try to find
> an uninfected version of that file somewhere else.
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

Cheers,
I did that, closed all my AV
still wouldn't copy across
I'll sling the program on an old XP in the shed
and see what happens trojan included.
I thought it <not> possible to have any data irremovable from a location.
seems it is.
R

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Hypothetical.

You can't "Move" ANY file on a CD. By definition, in the computer world,
anyway, you "Move" a file by Copying it and then Deleting the original. You
can't Delete a file from a CD, thus you can't Delete the original, thus you
can't Move the file.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:OA8RezuYIHA.1376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Is it possible to have a file on CD
> that is not moveable?
> I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan.
> I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the
> trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.
>
>
>

 

[PCR]

Re: Hypothetical.

rod wrote:
| Is it possible to have a file on CD
| that is not moveable?
| I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan.
| I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the
| trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.

As Terhune said, a move implies a delete. Files cannot be deleted from a
CD, unless it is a CD-R/W. Even then, you need packet writing software
to do it (like CeQuadrat which came with my Compaq). If you have met all
of those requirements, STILL you will not be able to move a file from a
CD (or anywhere), unless its Properties are right.

R-Clk the file in Explorer, & select Properties. In the General tab,
ensure the file is not Read-Only, or Explorer will not move or delete
it.

If you are operating in DOS, it also may be necessary to ensure it is
not Hidden or System, either. But, in Explorer, it seems only Read-Only
is the bugaboo.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[rod]

Re: Hypothetical.



Arghhh, shot in the foot by Semantics.
by "move" I was meaning copy, meaning the file on the CD
was completly impotent, unable to be shifted, read, acted upon or whatever.

So, reholstering my gun,
Is it possible to have a file on CD
that is not able to be moved via copying?
I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan.
I thought I would move it to HDD via "copy" and remove the
trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.

Rod.




"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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> You can't "Move" ANY file on a CD. By definition, in the computer world,
> anyway, you "Move" a file by Copying it and then Deleting the original.
> You can't Delete a file from a CD, thus you can't Delete the original,
> thus you can't Move the file.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:OA8RezuYIHA.1376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Is it possible to have a file on CD
>> that is not moveable?
>> I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan.
>> I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the
>> trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.
>>
>>
>>
>

 

[rod]

Re: Hypothetical.



Thanks PCR for responding,
see my reply Mr. Terhune for clarification.
Regards.
Rod.


> As Terhune said, a move implies a delete. Files cannot be deleted from a
> CD, unless it is a CD-R/W. Even then, you need packet writing software
> to do it (like CeQuadrat which came with my Compaq). If you have met all
> of those requirements, STILL you will not be able to move a file from a
> CD (or anywhere), unless its Properties are right.

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Hypothetical.

Shot by a half-asleep, doped up gramps, no less. Oh, wait... Is that you
holding the gun?

Anyway, I got nothing better for you. I don't believe whatever scanner
claims it's a Trojan. I think it's just a messed up file that can't be read
from a CD. Happens all the time. Even if it is a Trojan, who cares? And to
what purpose would you "move" it to somewhere else and "remove the Trojan"?
It's still on the CD and you can't change that. To get rid of it, you can
only destroy the CD.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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>
>
> Arghhh, shot in the foot by Semantics.
> by "move" I was meaning copy, meaning the file on the CD
> was completly impotent, unable to be shifted, read, acted upon or
> whatever.
>
> So, reholstering my gun,
> Is it possible to have a file on CD
> that is not able to be moved via copying?
> I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan.
> I thought I would move it to HDD via "copy" and remove the
> trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.
>
> Rod.
>
>
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:%239Z$YU3YIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> You can't "Move" ANY file on a CD. By definition, in the computer world,
>> anyway, you "Move" a file by Copying it and then Deleting the original.
>> You can't Delete a file from a CD, thus you can't Delete the original,
>> thus you can't Move the file.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:OA8RezuYIHA.1376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Is it possible to have a file on CD
>>> that is not moveable?
>>> I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan.
>>> I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the
>>> trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

 

[PCR]

Re: Hypothetical.

"rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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|
|
| Thanks PCR for responding,
| see my reply Mr. Terhune for clarification.
| Regards.

You are welcome. I'll respond over there.

| Rod.
|
|
| > As Terhune said, a move implies a delete. Files cannot be deleted
from a
| > CD, unless it is a CD-R/W. Even then, you need packet writing
software
| > to do it (like CeQuadrat which came with my Compaq). If you have met
all
| > of those requirements, STILL you will not be able to move a file
from a
| > CD (or anywhere), unless its Properties are right.
|
|

 

[PCR]

Re: Hypothetical.

"rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:OY47OQ5YIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|
|
| Arghhh, shot in the foot by Semantics.
| by "move" I was meaning copy, meaning the file on the CD
| was completly impotent, unable to be shifted, read, acted upon or
whatever.

(a) You cannot even get its file Properties?
(b) What is the name of the file that won't work?
(c) Do other files on the CD behave normally?
(d) What is the name of the CD,
& where did you get it?
(e) Which virus scanner said it is infected,
& does it offer to quarantine it?
(f) What error message do you get when you try to copy it?

| So, reholstering my gun,

Unload it too!

| Is it possible to have a file on CD
| that is not able to be moved via copying?

Are you using Win98 & FAT32? Other OS & file systems may have something
built-in to prevent moving a file-- but not this one! Do you get an
error message? Can you move other files?

| I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan.
| I thought I would move it to HDD via "copy" and remove the
| trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.
|
| Rod.
|
|
|
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| news:%239Z$YU3YIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > You can't "Move" ANY file on a CD. By definition, in the computer
world,
| > anyway, you "Move" a file by Copying it and then Deleting the
original.
| > You can't Delete a file from a CD, thus you can't Delete the
original,
| > thus you can't Move the file.
| >
| > --
| > Gary S. Terhune
| > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > www.grystmill.com
| >
| > "rod" <pookiethai@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
| > news:OA8RezuYIHA.1376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >> Is it possible to have a file on CD
| >> that is not moveable?
| >> I have a file which on the CD contains a trojan.
| >> I thought I would move it to HDD and remove the
| >> trojan, but access is denied, It seems I cannot do nothing with it.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >
|
|

 

[rod]

Re: Hypothetical.


"PCR"
> (a) You cannot even get its file Properties?
> (b) What is the name of the file that won't work?
> (c) Do other files on the CD behave normally?
> (d) What is the name of the CD,
> & where did you get it?
> (e) Which virus scanner said it is infected,
> & does it offer to quarantine it?
> (f) What error message do you get when you try to copy it?

Cheers PCR, thanks for your comments.
It's obviously a hack of some sort, I googled it
and have found the files resume.
e) AVG picked it up and offered to heal
f) access denied: make sure disk is not write protected etc

It's in the dumpster.

Still interesting though, legalities notwithstanding
that a file cannot be copied or handled in any way
(unless probably used during installation)
Thanks to grisoft AVG that did not happen.
Rod.

 

[PCR]

Re: Hypothetical.

rod wrote:
| "PCR"
|> (a) You cannot even get its file Properties?
|> (b) What is the name of the file that won't work?
|> (c) Do other files on the CD behave normally?
|> (d) What is the name of the CD,
|> & where did you get it?
|> (e) Which virus scanner said it is infected,
|> & does it offer to quarantine it?
|> (f) What error message do you get when you try to copy it?
|
| Cheers PCR, thanks for your comments.

You are welcome.

| It's obviously a hack of some sort, I googled it
| and have found the files resume.
| e) AVG picked it up and offered to heal
| f) access denied: make sure disk is not write protected etc

Write protected? I guess write protection could be involved, if you were
trying to copy it to a floppy. Perhaps the trojan fooled the system into
thinking that's what you tried to do.

| It's in the dumpster.

OK. That's that, then. Maybe the best thing.

| Still interesting though, legalities notwithstanding
| that a file cannot be copied or handled in any way
| (unless probably used during installation)

It's a mystery to me.

| Thanks to grisoft AVG that did not happen.
| Rod.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net