User Profile

Simon · Feb 14, 2008

I'm implementing a new terminal server and i would like to re-direct(save)
the users profile to a different hard drive in the server. we do not want to
use the "C:\documents and settings" folder.

thanks in advance for your help

Simon

Vera Noest [MVP] · Feb 14, 2008

Re: User Profile

Check this:

User profiles are filling up my C: drive. Can I move them to my D:
drive?
http://ts.veranoest.net/ts_faq_profiles.htm#move_DocSettings
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"Simon" <simonh@newsgroup.nospam> wrote on 14 feb 2008 in
microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> I'm implementing a new terminal server and i would like to
> re-direct(save) the users profile to a different hard drive in
> the server. we do not want to use the "C:\documents and
> settings" folder.
>
> thanks in advance for your help
>
> Simon

George Yin · Feb 15, 2008

RE: User Profile

Hello Simon,

Thank you for your post and as well as to Vera for sharing the information.

Firstly, I'd like to know if you meant the remote users' profiles.

I read the article that Vera shared, and I think this article is helpful
for you and for other members using terminal server.

However, I think your need can be achieved simply by using the roaming user
profile (if you mean the remote users' profiles). It will be a bit
different when you have an Active Directory domain. I list both environment
for your reference. You can get the detailed steps by the following
articles.

How To Create a Roaming User Profile in Windows Server 2003 (this is for
stand-alone server):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324749/en-us

Create a roaming user profile (this is for the Active Directory domain):
http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/3bd7900c-6145-461d-89
f2-c12a8c6dd7301033.mspx?mfr=true

I hope this helps. If you have any problems or concerns, feel free to let
me know.

Thank you and have a nice day!

Sincerely,
George Yin
Microsoft Online Support
Microsoft Global Technical Support Center

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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] · Feb 17, 2008

Re: User Profile

George Yin(MSFT) <v-chanyin@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Hello Simon,
>
> Thank you for your post and as well as to Vera for sharing the
> information.
>
> Firstly, I'd like to know if you meant the remote users' profiles.
>
> I read the article that Vera shared, and I think this article is
> helpful for you and for other members using terminal server.
>
> However, I think your need can be achieved simply by using the
> roaming user profile (if you mean the remote users' profiles).

Hmmm - not sure your advice applies here, George. You do *not* want to use
the same roaming profile path for your desktop users & your TS users. You
should use a TS profile which is set to an entirely different path in the
user's ADUC properties, presuming AD.

> It
> will be a bit different when you have an Active Directory domain. I
> list both environment for your reference. You can get the detailed
> steps by the following articles.
>
> How To Create a Roaming User Profile in Windows Server 2003 (this is
> for stand-alone server):
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324749/en-us
>
> Create a roaming user profile (this is for the Active Directory
> domain):
> http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/3bd7900c-6145-461d-89
> f2-c12a8c6dd7301033.mspx?mfr=true
>
> I hope this helps. If you have any problems or concerns, feel free to
> let me know.
>
> Thank you and have a nice day!
>
> Sincerely,
> George Yin
> Microsoft Online Support
> Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
>
> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> =====================================================
> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader
> so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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> rights.

Patrick Rouse · Feb 18, 2008

Re: User Profile

Roaming profiles can be difficult to manage, especially if users logon with
multiple sessions, or even worse if they logon to different application
server silos, i.e. terminal servers that host different application sets.
Using Mandatory Profiles + Folder Redirection + Login Consultants' Flex
Profile Kit (free) or a 3rd party Hybrid Profile Program provides the most
stable profiles, quick logons and does not save the profile settings locally
at logoff. Hybrid profiles work by assigning certain portions of the
registry and file system to persist from session to session, while still
using a "local" mandatory profile. At logon the settings are unzipped and
imported into the local mandatory profile and at logoff the settings are
exported, zipped and saved on a file server. This typically reduces the
amount of data stored for each user to < 300KB and provides logons as fast as
5-10 seconds.

--
Patrick C. Rouse
Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
SE, West Coast USA & Canada
Quest Software, Provision Networks Division
Virtual Client Solutions
http://www.provisionnetworks.com

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

> George Yin(MSFT) <v-chanyin@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Hello Simon,
> >
> > Thank you for your post and as well as to Vera for sharing the
> > information.
> >
> > Firstly, I'd like to know if you meant the remote users' profiles.
> >
> > I read the article that Vera shared, and I think this article is
> > helpful for you and for other members using terminal server.
> >
> > However, I think your need can be achieved simply by using the
> > roaming user profile (if you mean the remote users' profiles).
>
> Hmmm - not sure your advice applies here, George. You do *not* want to use
> the same roaming profile path for your desktop users & your TS users. You
> should use a TS profile which is set to an entirely different path in the
> user's ADUC properties, presuming AD.
>
> > It
> > will be a bit different when you have an Active Directory domain. I
> > list both environment for your reference. You can get the detailed
> > steps by the following articles.
> >
> > How To Create a Roaming User Profile in Windows Server 2003 (this is
> > for stand-alone server):
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324749/en-us
> >
> > Create a roaming user profile (this is for the Active Directory
> > domain):
> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/3bd7900c-6145-461d-89
> > f2-c12a8c6dd7301033.mspx?mfr=true
> >
> > I hope this helps. If you have any problems or concerns, feel free to
> > let me know.
> >
> > Thank you and have a nice day!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > George Yin
> > Microsoft Online Support
> > Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
> >
> > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> > =====================================================
> > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader
> > so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
> > =====================================================
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.
>
>
>
>

Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] · Feb 18, 2008

Re: User Profile

Patrick Rouse <PatrickRouse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Roaming profiles can be difficult to manage, especially if users
> logon with multiple sessions, or even worse if they logon to
> different application server silos, i.e. terminal servers that host
> different application sets. Using Mandatory Profiles + Folder
> Redirection + Login Consultants' Flex Profile Kit (free) or a 3rd
> party Hybrid Profile Program provides the most stable profiles, quick
> logons and does not save the profile settings locally at logoff.
> Hybrid profiles work by assigning certain portions of the registry
> and file system to persist from session to session, while still using
> a "local" mandatory profile. At logon the settings are unzipped and
> imported into the local mandatory profile and at logoff the settings
> are exported, zipped and saved on a file server. This typically
> reduces the amount of data stored for each user to < 300KB and
> provides logons as fast as 5-10 seconds.

Very cool - I haven't used any hybrid profile stuff; can you recommend any
third party products?
>
>
>
>> George Yin(MSFT) <v-chanyin@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Simon,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your post and as well as to Vera for sharing the
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Firstly, I'd like to know if you meant the remote users' profiles.
>>>
>>> I read the article that Vera shared, and I think this article is
>>> helpful for you and for other members using terminal server.
>>>
>>> However, I think your need can be achieved simply by using the
>>> roaming user profile (if you mean the remote users' profiles).
>>
>> Hmmm - not sure your advice applies here, George. You do *not* want
>> to use the same roaming profile path for your desktop users & your
>> TS users. You should use a TS profile which is set to an entirely
>> different path in the user's ADUC properties, presuming AD.
>>
>>> It
>>> will be a bit different when you have an Active Directory domain. I
>>> list both environment for your reference. You can get the detailed
>>> steps by the following articles.
>>>
>>> How To Create a Roaming User Profile in Windows Server 2003 (this is
>>> for stand-alone server):
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324749/en-us
>>>
>>> Create a roaming user profile (this is for the Active Directory
>>> domain):
>>> http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/3bd7900c-6145-461d-89
>>> f2-c12a8c6dd7301033.mspx?mfr=true
>>>
>>> I hope this helps. If you have any problems or concerns, feel free
>>> to let me know.
>>>
>>> Thank you and have a nice day!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> George Yin
>>> Microsoft Online Support
>>> Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
>>>
>>> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>>> =====================================================
>>> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your
>>> newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
>>> =====================================================
>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>>> rights.

Patrick Rouse · Feb 19, 2008

Re: User Profile

Our Virtual Access Suite includes User Profile Management, which does what I
described. SepagoPROFILE and RTO Software's streaming profiles are other
products. Login Consultants offers a free hybrid profile solution called
Flex Profile Kit, which accomplishes hybrid profiles by a modified Office
Profile Settings file. If you don't mind using unsupported utilities, FPK is
very cool.

--
Patrick C. Rouse
Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
SE, West Coast USA & Canada
Quest Software, Provision Networks Division
Virtual Client Solutions
http://www.provisionnetworks.com

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

> Patrick Rouse <PatrickRouse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Roaming profiles can be difficult to manage, especially if users
> > logon with multiple sessions, or even worse if they logon to
> > different application server silos, i.e. terminal servers that host
> > different application sets. Using Mandatory Profiles + Folder
> > Redirection + Login Consultants' Flex Profile Kit (free) or a 3rd
> > party Hybrid Profile Program provides the most stable profiles, quick
> > logons and does not save the profile settings locally at logoff.
> > Hybrid profiles work by assigning certain portions of the registry
> > and file system to persist from session to session, while still using
> > a "local" mandatory profile. At logon the settings are unzipped and
> > imported into the local mandatory profile and at logoff the settings
> > are exported, zipped and saved on a file server. This typically
> > reduces the amount of data stored for each user to < 300KB and
> > provides logons as fast as 5-10 seconds.
>
> Very cool - I haven't used any hybrid profile stuff; can you recommend any
> third party products?
> >
> >
> >
> >> George Yin(MSFT) <v-chanyin@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>> Hello Simon,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for your post and as well as to Vera for sharing the
> >>> information.
> >>>
> >>> Firstly, I'd like to know if you meant the remote users' profiles.
> >>>
> >>> I read the article that Vera shared, and I think this article is
> >>> helpful for you and for other members using terminal server.
> >>>
> >>> However, I think your need can be achieved simply by using the
> >>> roaming user profile (if you mean the remote users' profiles).
> >>
> >> Hmmm - not sure your advice applies here, George. You do *not* want
> >> to use the same roaming profile path for your desktop users & your
> >> TS users. You should use a TS profile which is set to an entirely
> >> different path in the user's ADUC properties, presuming AD.
> >>
> >>> It
> >>> will be a bit different when you have an Active Directory domain. I
> >>> list both environment for your reference. You can get the detailed
> >>> steps by the following articles.
> >>>
> >>> How To Create a Roaming User Profile in Windows Server 2003 (this is
> >>> for stand-alone server):
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324749/en-us
> >>>
> >>> Create a roaming user profile (this is for the Active Directory
> >>> domain):
> >>> http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/3bd7900c-6145-461d-89
> >>> f2-c12a8c6dd7301033.mspx?mfr=true
> >>>
> >>> I hope this helps. If you have any problems or concerns, feel free
> >>> to let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you and have a nice day!
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> George Yin
> >>> Microsoft Online Support
> >>> Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
> >>>
> >>> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> >>> =====================================================
> >>> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your
> >>> newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
> >>> =====================================================
> >>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >>> rights.
>
>
>
>

George Yin · Feb 19, 2008

Re: User Profile

Hello,

Thank you all for sharing the information.

Yes, as Lanwench mentioned, the Terminal Services Profile could be a good
choice if you don't want to use the same profile path for local users and
remote users. Besides, in a Terminal environment, Terminal Services Profile
has a higher priority than the standard user Profile if both are configured.

Thank you again and have a nice day!

Sincerely,
George Yin
Microsoft Online Support
Microsoft Global Technical Support Center

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] · Feb 19, 2008

Re: User Profile

George Yin(MSFT) <v-chanyin@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Thank you all for sharing the information.
>
> Yes, as Lanwench mentioned, the Terminal Services Profile could be a
> good choice if you don't want to use the same profile path for local
> users and remote users.

Which one should never want to do.

> Besides, in a Terminal environment, Terminal
> Services Profile has a higher priority than the standard user Profile
> if both are configured.
>
> Thank you again and have a nice day!
>
> Sincerely,
> George Yin
> Microsoft Online Support
> Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
>
> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> =====================================================
> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader
> so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
> =====================================================
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.

Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] · Feb 19, 2008

Re: User Profile

Patrick Rouse <PatrickRouse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Our Virtual Access Suite includes User Profile Management, which does
> what I described. SepagoPROFILE and RTO Software's streaming
> profiles are other products. Login Consultants offers a free hybrid
> profile solution called Flex Profile Kit, which accomplishes hybrid
> profiles by a modified Office Profile Settings file. If you don't
> mind using unsupported utilities, FPK is very cool.

Patrick, can I ping you offline? If you unmunge my e-mail address & send me
yours I'll reply....
>
>
>> Patrick Rouse <PatrickRouse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> Roaming profiles can be difficult to manage, especially if users
>>> logon with multiple sessions, or even worse if they logon to
>>> different application server silos, i.e. terminal servers that host
>>> different application sets. Using Mandatory Profiles + Folder
>>> Redirection + Login Consultants' Flex Profile Kit (free) or a 3rd
>>> party Hybrid Profile Program provides the most stable profiles,
>>> quick logons and does not save the profile settings locally at
>>> logoff. Hybrid profiles work by assigning certain portions of the
>>> registry and file system to persist from session to session, while
>>> still using a "local" mandatory profile. At logon the settings are
>>> unzipped and imported into the local mandatory profile and at
>>> logoff the settings are exported, zipped and saved on a file
>>> server. This typically reduces the amount of data stored for each
>>> user to < 300KB and provides logons as fast as 5-10 seconds.
>>
>> Very cool - I haven't used any hybrid profile stuff; can you
>> recommend any third party products?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> George Yin(MSFT) <v-chanyin@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Simon,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your post and as well as to Vera for sharing the
>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Firstly, I'd like to know if you meant the remote users' profiles.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read the article that Vera shared, and I think this article is
>>>>> helpful for you and for other members using terminal server.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I think your need can be achieved simply by using the
>>>>> roaming user profile (if you mean the remote users' profiles).
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm - not sure your advice applies here, George. You do *not* want
>>>> to use the same roaming profile path for your desktop users & your
>>>> TS users. You should use a TS profile which is set to an entirely
>>>> different path in the user's ADUC properties, presuming AD.
>>>>
>>>>> It
>>>>> will be a bit different when you have an Active Directory domain.
>>>>> I list both environment for your reference. You can get the
>>>>> detailed steps by the following articles.
>>>>>
>>>>> How To Create a Roaming User Profile in Windows Server 2003 (this
>>>>> is for stand-alone server):
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324749/en-us
>>>>>
>>>>> Create a roaming user profile (this is for the Active Directory
>>>>> domain):
>>>>> http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/3bd7900c-6145-461d-89
>>>>> f2-c12a8c6dd7301033.mspx?mfr=true
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps. If you have any problems or concerns, feel free
>>>>> to let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you and have a nice day!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> George Yin
>>>>> Microsoft Online Support
>>>>> Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
>>>>>
>>>>> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>>>>> =====================================================
>>>>> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your
>>>>> newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
>>>>> =====================================================
>>>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
>>>>> no rights.

Simon · Feb 20, 2008

Re: User Profile

Thanks to all of you for your responses,
I have accomplish what I needed by setting up a GPO using the "Set Path for
TS Roaming profiles" setting in my AD environment, and I also enable the
"Delete cached copies of roaming profiles" in the \system\Users Profiles
settings in the same GPO.
The problem I’m having now is that every time the same user logs-in, a new
temp profile is created in the "c:\documents and settings" folder. Ex:
user1.domain.000, user1.domain.001, user1.domain.001. Did I miss a setting?
After the user log-off the only folder left inside the temp profile is
"local setting", it will be a high maintenance server to take care of.

Any additional help will be appreciated

Thanks

Simon

"Patrick Rouse" <PatrickRouse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0B94FAB7-11C0-49E2-A548-90DC4F4A02B7@microsoft.com...
> Our Virtual Access Suite includes User Profile Management, which does what
> I
> described. SepagoPROFILE and RTO Software's streaming profiles are other
> products. Login Consultants offers a free hybrid profile solution called
> Flex Profile Kit, which accomplishes hybrid profiles by a modified Office
> Profile Settings file. If you don't mind using unsupported utilities, FPK
> is
> very cool.
>
>
> --
> Patrick C. Rouse
> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> SE, West Coast USA & Canada
> Quest Software, Provision Networks Division
> Virtual Client Solutions
> http://www.provisionnetworks.com
>
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>
>> Patrick Rouse <PatrickRouse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> > Roaming profiles can be difficult to manage, especially if users
>> > logon with multiple sessions, or even worse if they logon to
>> > different application server silos, i.e. terminal servers that host
>> > different application sets. Using Mandatory Profiles + Folder
>> > Redirection + Login Consultants' Flex Profile Kit (free) or a 3rd
>> > party Hybrid Profile Program provides the most stable profiles, quick
>> > logons and does not save the profile settings locally at logoff.
>> > Hybrid profiles work by assigning certain portions of the registry
>> > and file system to persist from session to session, while still using
>> > a "local" mandatory profile. At logon the settings are unzipped and
>> > imported into the local mandatory profile and at logoff the settings
>> > are exported, zipped and saved on a file server. This typically
>> > reduces the amount of data stored for each user to < 300KB and
>> > provides logons as fast as 5-10 seconds.
>>
>> Very cool - I haven't used any hybrid profile stuff; can you recommend
>> any
>> third party products?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> George Yin(MSFT) <v-chanyin@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hello Simon,
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you for your post and as well as to Vera for sharing the
>> >>> information.
>> >>>
>> >>> Firstly, I'd like to know if you meant the remote users' profiles.
>> >>>
>> >>> I read the article that Vera shared, and I think this article is
>> >>> helpful for you and for other members using terminal server.
>> >>>
>> >>> However, I think your need can be achieved simply by using the
>> >>> roaming user profile (if you mean the remote users' profiles).
>> >>
>> >> Hmmm - not sure your advice applies here, George. You do *not* want
>> >> to use the same roaming profile path for your desktop users & your
>> >> TS users. You should use a TS profile which is set to an entirely
>> >> different path in the user's ADUC properties, presuming AD.
>> >>
>> >>> It
>> >>> will be a bit different when you have an Active Directory domain. I
>> >>> list both environment for your reference. You can get the detailed
>> >>> steps by the following articles.
>> >>>
>> >>> How To Create a Roaming User Profile in Windows Server 2003 (this is
>> >>> for stand-alone server):
>> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324749/en-us
>> >>>
>> >>> Create a roaming user profile (this is for the Active Directory
>> >>> domain):
>> >>> http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/3bd7900c-6145-461d-89
>> >>> f2-c12a8c6dd7301033.mspx?mfr=true
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope this helps. If you have any problems or concerns, feel free
>> >>> to let me know.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you and have a nice day!
>> >>>
>> >>> Sincerely,
>> >>> George Yin
>> >>> Microsoft Online Support
>> >>> Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
>> >>>
>> >>> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>> >>> =====================================================
>> >>> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your
>> >>> newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
>> >>> =====================================================
>> >>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >>> rights.
>>
>>
>>
>>

George Yin · Feb 21, 2008

Re: User Profile

Hello,

Thank you for your reply. It's glad to hear that you accomplished it by a
GPO.

Regarding your last question, did you mean that when a user logged on using
the RDC, a new temp profile is created, and once this user logged off, the
temp profile is deleted automatically?

Usually this occurs when the user cannot load the proper user profile. I
would like to collect some more information to better understand it.

Information Needed:
=================

1. Please take a look at the Event Viewer (especially the Application part
), see if any related error or warning exist.

Here is an article for your reference:

Troubleshooting profile unload issues:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/837115/en-us

2. Make sure the remote user had been given enough permissions of the new
roaming profile folder (both share and NTFS write permissions).

Please let me know the results. Thank you.

Sincerely,
George Yin
Microsoft Online Support
Microsoft Global Technical Support Center

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George Yin · Mar 7, 2008

Re: User Profile

Hello,

I'm just writing to see if you have had an opportunity to gather the
requested information. If anything is unclear or you encountered any
difficulties, please don't hesitate to let me know and I will be happy to
help.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,
George Yin
Microsoft Online Support
Microsoft Global Technical Support Center

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