IE dehanced?

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I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of you
more experienced users know fixes?

When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
launcher (Executor) or is it IE?

No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I can
think of.

Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a tab
is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it! What
good is that? And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into the
huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!! What are
they thinking?

Even if this is correctable, it's unthinkable! You used to be able to
drag toolbars to where you wanted them, either in the toolbar area or
even undock them, if you liked. I never liked floating toolbars
myself, but right now, they're looking better than ever. At least we
had some control of where they were!

If anyone has any ideas to get IE usable again, I'd appreciate it very
much.
 
Re: IE dehanced?


"davegb" <davegbel@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:c0440185-7c0a-457e-9906-0db80031804f@p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of you
> more experienced users know fixes?
>
> When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> launcher (Executor) or is it IE?
>
> No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
> one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I can
> think of.

Which IE version is this? Sounds like you have IE configured with almost all
buttons not showing. In IE7 the refresh is right next to the address bar,
two green arrows going around each other
 
Re: IE dehanced?

the interface was made by idiots, the same idiots that designed vista
and windows media player
 
RE: IE dehanced?

Open IE7> go to Tools in the upper right-hand side> then click on Menu Bar>
the old "file, edit, etc" is there!
--
Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia


"davegb" wrote:

> I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of you
> more experienced users know fixes?
>
> When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> launcher (Executor) or is it IE?
>
> No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
> one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I can
> think of.
>
> Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a tab
> is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it! What
> good is that? And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
> with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into the
> huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!! What are
> they thinking?
>
> Even if this is correctable, it's unthinkable! You used to be able to
> drag toolbars to where you wanted them, either in the toolbar area or
> even undock them, if you liked. I never liked floating toolbars
> myself, but right now, they're looking better than ever. At least we
> had some control of where they were!
>
> If anyone has any ideas to get IE usable again, I'd appreciate it very
> much.
>
 
Re: IE dehanced?

<comments and responses inline>

davegb wrote:
> I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of
> you more experienced users know fixes?
>
> When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> launcher (Executor) or is it IE?

What is your 'launcher'?

> No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
> one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I
> can think of.

Look to the right of where you type the URL in at. See the two green
arrows?

> Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a tab
> is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it! What
> good is that?

I'm not sure what you mean.

Are you complaining because there is no icon there that says "Click here to
open a new tab"? You know where to click - do you need a pretty icon there
as well? After all - you have to 'hover' over it to click it...

> And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
> with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into the
> huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!! What
> are they thinking?

"Status toolbar"? What are you referring to as the status toolbar?

Just about everything at the top of the Internet Explorer window can be
moved around if unlocked.

Are you speaking of the bottom?

> Even if this is correctable, it's unthinkable! You used to be able
> to drag toolbars to where you wanted them, either in the toolbar
> area or even undock them, if you liked. I never liked floating
> toolbars myself, but right now, they're looking better than ever.
> At least we had some control of where they were!

If you are talking about the top - you still can. Right-click and unlock
it. That was also a feature in IE6 - to lock and unlock the toolbar areas.

> If anyone has any ideas to get IE usable again, I'd appreciate it
> very much.

Did you try the built in help or a Google search?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
 
Re: IE dehanced?

Those with IE7-specific questions or comments are asked to post to and seek
support in this newsgroup: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

On the web:
http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

In your newsreader:
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~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
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davegb wrote:
> I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of you
> more experienced users know fixes?
>
> When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> launcher (Executor) or is it IE?
>
> No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
> one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I can
> think of.
>
> Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a tab
> is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it! What
> good is that? And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
> with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into the
> huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!! What are
> they thinking?
>
> Even if this is correctable, it's unthinkable! You used to be able to
> drag toolbars to where you wanted them, either in the toolbar area or
> even undock them, if you liked. I never liked floating toolbars
> myself, but right now, they're looking better than ever. At least we
> had some control of where they were!
>
> If anyone has any ideas to get IE usable again, I'd appreciate it very
> much.
 
Re: IE dehanced?

On Feb 24, 1:10 pm, Mick Murphy <MickMur...@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:
> Open IE7> go to Tools in the upper right-hand side> then click on Menu Bar>
> the old "file, edit, etc" is there!
> --
> Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia
>
Already did that, Mick, and no, the old "Refresh" is not there and not
an option.
>
>
> "davegb" wrote:
> > I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> > time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> > user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> > these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of you
> > more experienced users know fixes?
>
> > When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> > instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> > programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> > launcher (Executor) or is it IE?
>
> > No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
> > one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I can
> > think of.
>
> > Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a tab
> > is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it! What
> > good is that? And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
> > with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into the
> > huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!! What are
> > they thinking?
>
> > Even if this is correctable, it's unthinkable! You used to be able to
> > drag toolbars to where you wanted them, either in the toolbar area or
> > even undock them, if you liked. I never liked floating toolbars
> > myself, but right now, they're looking better than ever. At least we
> > had some control of where they were!
>
> > If anyone has any ideas to get IE usable again, I'd appreciate it very
> > much.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
 
Re: IE dehanced?

On Feb 24, 1:15 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <comments and responses inline>
>
> davegb wrote:
> > I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> > time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> > user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> > these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of
> > you more experienced users know fixes?
>
> > When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> > instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> > programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> > launcher (Executor) or is it IE?
>
> What is your 'launcher'?

Thanks for your reply. My launcher is "Executor".
>
> > No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
> > one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I
> > can think of.
>
> Look to the right of where you type the URL in at.  See the two green
> arrows?
Holy cow! Never thought to look up there. Thanks.
>
> > Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a tab
> > is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it! What
> > good is that?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean.
>
> Are you complaining because there is no icon there that says "Click here to
> open a new tab"?  You know where to click - do you need a pretty icon there
> as well?  After all - you have to 'hover' over it to click it...

I understand that, and as long as that's the only icon in that area,
that's ok. But if I ever figure out how to use all that waste space
between the New Tab icon and the Status bar, then there would be more
icons and I'd like to know which is which. What does hiding the icon
accomplish anyway?

>
> > And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
> > with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into the
> > huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!! What
> > are they thinking?
>
> "Status toolbar"?  What are you referring to as the status toolbar?

The one MS calls the "Status Bar".

>
> Just about everything at the top of the Internet Explorer window can be
> moved around if unlocked.
>
> Are you speaking of the bottom?

Bottom? No, I'm talking up above the main window, to the right of the
New Tabs icon. A lot of blank real estate where I'd like to put more
icons for the things I do freqently, like I did in Mozilla Firefox.
>
> > Even if this is correctable, it's unthinkable! You used to be able
> > to drag toolbars to where you wanted them, either in the toolbar
> > area or even undock them, if you liked. I never liked floating
> > toolbars myself, but right now, they're looking better than ever.
> > At least we had some control of where they were!
>
> If you are talking about the top - you still can.  Right-click and unlock
> it.  That was also a feature in IE6 - to lock and unlock the toolbar areas.
>
Already did that. They're unlocked, but can only be dragged a short
way over to the left, leaving that big "hole" in that bar, where I'd
like to put other stuff.

> > If anyone has any ideas to get IE usable again, I'd appreciate it
> > very much.
>
> Did you try the built in help or a Google search?
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
>      MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

I appreciate the help. I'm just very frustrated with all M$ products
lately, Seems to me that they're just playing a shell game with their
users. They move things for no apparent reason. Are the recycle and
stop buttons easier to use in the middle of the bar than over on the
left, where they've always been, where all experienced users expect to
see them? Seems to me that Bill and Steve are just making changes to
justify making us all go out and plunk down ever increasing amounts of
cash to get "upgraded" software that's harder to use than the old one.
I call these "dehancements" or "deprovements". Well, I guess Bill's
trying to get back up to that $100B mark he fell below in 2000. Poor
guy.
 
Re: IE dehanced?

On Feb 24, 2:13 pm, davegb <daveg...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Feb 24, 1:15 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <comments and responses inline>
>
> > davegb wrote:
> > > I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> > > time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> > > user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> > > these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of
> > > you more experienced users know fixes?
>
> > > When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> > > instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> > > programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> > > launcher (Executor) or is it IE?
>
> > What is your 'launcher'?
>
> Thanks for your reply. My launcher is "Executor".

I also posted this question in the Executor forum (didn't know if it
was an IE7 problem or an Exec problem), got this fixed.

>
> > > No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
> > > one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I
> > > can think of.
>
> > Look to the right of where you type the URL in at.  See the two green
> > arrows?
>
> Holy cow! Never thought to look up there. Thanks.
>
>
>
> > > Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a tab
> > > is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it! What
> > > good is that?
>
> > I'm not sure what you mean.
>
> > Are you complaining because there is no icon there that says "Click here to
> > open a new tab"?  You know where to click - do you need a pretty icon there
> > as well?  After all - you have to 'hover' over it to click it...
>
> I understand that, and as long as that's the only icon in that area,
> that's ok. But if I ever figure out how to use all that waste space
> between the New Tab icon and the Status bar, then there would be more
> icons and I'd like to know which is which. What does hiding the icon
> accomplish anyway?
>
>
>
> > > And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
> > > with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into the
> > > huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!! What
> > > are they thinking?
>
> > "Status toolbar"?  What are you referring to as the status toolbar?
>
> The one MS calls the "Status Bar".
>
>
>
> > Just about everything at the top of the Internet Explorer window can be
> > moved around if unlocked.
>
> > Are you speaking of the bottom?
>
> Bottom? No, I'm talking up above the main window, to the right of the
> New Tabs icon. A lot of blank real estate where I'd like to put more
> icons for the things I do freqently, like I did in Mozilla Firefox.
>
> > > Even if this is correctable, it's unthinkable! You used to be able
> > > to drag toolbars to where you wanted them, either in the toolbar
> > > area or even undock them, if you liked. I never liked floating
> > > toolbars myself, but right now, they're looking better than ever.
> > > At least we had some control of where they were!
>
> > If you are talking about the top - you still can.  Right-click and unlock
> > it.  That was also a feature in IE6 - to lock and unlock the toolbar areas.
>
> Already did that. They're unlocked, but can only be dragged a short
> way over to the left, leaving that big "hole" in that bar, where I'd
> like to put other stuff.
>
> > > If anyone has any ideas to get IE usable again, I'd appreciate it
> > > very much.
>
> > Did you try the built in help or a Google search?
I did search other places before I posted here, but didn't know what
to search for, got nothing useful. As for the built-in help, I stopped
looking in M$ built-in help years ago. All I've ever found there is
either advice that didn't apply or nothing.
>
> > --
> > Shenan Stanley
> >      MS-MVP
> > --
> > How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> I appreciate the help. I'm just very frustrated with all M$ products
> lately, Seems to me that they're just playing a shell game with their
> users. They move things for no apparent reason. Are the recycle and
> stop buttons easier to use in the middle of the bar than over on the
> left, where they've always been, where all experienced users expect to
> see them? Seems to me that Bill and Steve are just making changes to
> justify making us all go out and plunk down ever increasing amounts of
> cash to get "upgraded" software that's harder to use than the old one.
> I call these "dehancements" or "deprovements". Well, I guess Bill's
> trying to get back up to that $100B mark he fell below in 2000. Poor
> guy.

Thanks again!
 
Re: IE dehanced?

davegb wrote:
<snipped>
> I did search other places before I posted here, but didn't know what
> to search for, got nothing useful. As for the built-in help, I
> stopped
> looking in M$ built-in help years ago. All I've ever found there is
> either advice that didn't apply or nothing.

Try again. Things do change - if you don't change with them, you may never
know what you are missing or why you cannot figure out what others seemed to
have no trouble with. ;-)

The built-in help, I used to be the same way. With the consumer products,
Microsoft has improved a great deal. For the server side, it could not get
more esoteric.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
 
Re: IE dehanced?

davegb wrote:
<snipped>
>>> Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a
>>> tab is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it!
>>> What good is that?
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean.
>>
>> Are you complaining because there is no icon there that says
>> "Click here to
>> open a new tab"? You know where to click - do you need a pretty
>> icon there
>> as well? After all - you have to 'hover' over it to click it...
>
> I understand that, and as long as that's the only icon in that area,
> that's ok. But if I ever figure out how to use all that waste space
> between the New Tab icon and the Status bar, then there would be
> more icons and I'd like to know which is which. What does hiding the
> icon accomplish anyway?

That space is FOR the tabs and command bar... If you don't want to use the
tabs - disable them and then you can use that space just for the command
bar. You can add several things to the default command bar to take up all
that space if you desire. If you turn off tabs, however, I doubt you'll
ever fill up that space.

Also - you know that with my 24" widescreen, what you call huge, I would
call humongous. I don't consider it wasted space, however - I consider it
unused and less cluttered. ;-)

>>> And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
>>> with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into
>>> the huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!!
>>> What are they thinking?
>>
>> "Status toolbar"? What are you referring to as the status toolbar?
>
> The one MS calls the "Status Bar".

The status bar is the bottom bar.

> I appreciate the help. I'm just very frustrated with all M$ products
> lately, Seems to me that they're just playing a shell game with
> their users. They move things for no apparent reason. Are the
> recycle and stop buttons easier to use in the middle of the bar
> than over on the left, where they've always been, where all
> experienced users expect to see them?

I understand the frustration - but when you say 'experienced users' - it's
not really that to me. If you didn't want to change - don't use IE7
(there's no requirement to do so in XP.) Heck - you really do not have to
use IE at all (I mainly use FireFox myself.)

Everyone is different. People who mainly use keystrokes for things are in
the advantage right now. Sure - the Office 2007 interface and IE interface
is different - but if you hardly ever used the mouse - it makes no
difference. The same key shortcuts still function.

Also - what you see as different, many people didn't know really there was
any changes as they just started. ;-)

Going from Commodore VIC20s to Windows Vista with Macintoshes, *nix and many
other miniature GUI OSes (BeOS for example) in between, you learn *not* to
get used to much. ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
 
Re: IE dehanced?

things change.. some for better some for worse

IE and Vista are horrid, made by people that should be hanged for destroying
all logic and usablitity in UI.
Case closed
 
Re: IE dehanced?

Vern Linard wrote:
> things change.. some for better some for worse
>
> IE and Vista are horrid, made by people that should be hanged for
> destroying all logic and usablitity in UI.
> Case closed

IYHO
;-)

There are still people who prefer things from Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.
Some still prefer OS 9 over OS X. Some even long for the DOS and
WordPerfect 5 days...

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
 
Re: IE dehanced?

I miss Edlin.

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OSOj%2300dIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Vern Linard wrote:
>> things change.. some for better some for worse
>>
>> IE and Vista are horrid, made by people that should be hanged for
>> destroying all logic and usablitity in UI.
>> Case closed
>
> IYHO
> ;-)
>
> There are still people who prefer things from Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.
> Some still prefer OS 9 over OS X. Some even long for the DOS and
> WordPerfect 5 days...
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
 
Re: IE dehanced?

EDLIN sucked, LOL.
PC-Write was a heck of a lot better. Heck, even EDIT was a lot better.
:-)

Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> I miss Edlin.
>
> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OSOj%2300dIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Vern Linard wrote:
>>> things change.. some for better some for worse
>>>
>>> IE and Vista are horrid, made by people that should be hanged for
>>> destroying all logic and usablitity in UI.
>>> Case closed
>>
>> IYHO
>> ;-)
>>
>> There are still people who prefer things from Windows 3.11 for
>> Workgroups.
>> Some still prefer OS 9 over OS X. Some even long for the DOS and
>> WordPerfect 5 days...
>>
>> --
>> Shenan Stanley
>> MS-MVP
>> --
>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
 
Re: IE dehanced?

On Feb 24, 9:40 pm, "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnho...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I miss Edlin.

Edlin is still there. In fact Edlin is still in vista while
winhlp32.exe isn't.
 
Re: IE dehanced?

throwitout wrote:
> On Feb 24, 9:40 pm, "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnho...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I miss Edlin.
>
> Edlin is still there. In fact Edlin is still in vista while
> winhlp32.exe isn't.

Really? Guess that speaks (even a few more) volumes .... about Vista.
ROFL!!
 
Re: IE dehanced?

On Feb 24, 6:25 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vern Linard wrote:
> > things change.. some for better some for worse
>
> > IE and Vista are horrid, made by people that should be hanged for
> > destroying all logic and usablitity in UI.
> > Case closed
>
> IYHO
> ;-)
>
> There are still people who prefer things from Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.
> Some still prefer OS 9 over OS X.  Some even long for the DOS and
> WordPerfect 5 days...
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
>      MS-MVP
Sometimes, we long for things the way they were for emotional,
nostalgic reasons. I don't have such feelings about software.
Wordperfect was a vastly superior word processor to Word, for at least
2 reasons. First, it had simple, straightforward ways of setting tabs
and margins and indents, something I still long for. After many years
of playing with Word's mysterious margin/tab/indent tool, I still have
no idea how it works or what I'll get when I manipulate it, and I
still, most of the time, can't get it to do what I want. If I were the
only person with this experience, I'd take the blame. But I'm not.
Second, Wordperfect's "Reveal Codes" view, in which you could see
every formatting code in the document and correct them as needed.
Figuring out what exactly is causing one paragraph to behave one way
and another to behave another way is still often impossible in Word.
This is NOT a nostalgic thing at all. Simple usability features that
Word has never approached.
Longing for DOS - that's pure masochism!
 
Re: IE dehanced?

davegb wrote:
> On Feb 24, 6:25 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Vern Linard wrote:
>>> things change.. some for better some for worse
>>
>>> IE and Vista are horrid, made by people that should be hanged for
>>> destroying all logic and usablitity in UI.
>>> Case closed
>>
>> IYHO
>> ;-)
>>
>> There are still people who prefer things from Windows 3.11 for
>> Workgroups.
>> Some still prefer OS 9 over OS X. Some even long for the DOS and
>> WordPerfect 5 days...
>>
>> --
>> Shenan Stanley
>> MS-MVP
> Sometimes, we long for things the way they were for emotional,
> nostalgic reasons. I don't have such feelings about software.
> Wordperfect was a vastly superior word processor to Word, for at least
> 2 reasons. First, it had simple, straightforward ways of setting tabs
> and margins and indents, something I still long for. After many years
> of playing with Word's mysterious margin/tab/indent tool, I still have
> no idea how it works or what I'll get when I manipulate it, and I
> still, most of the time, can't get it to do what I want. If I were the
> only person with this experience, I'd take the blame. But I'm not.
> Second, Wordperfect's "Reveal Codes" view, in which you could see
> every formatting code in the document and correct them as needed.
> Figuring out what exactly is causing one paragraph to behave one way
> and another to behave another way is still often impossible in Word.
> This is NOT a nostalgic thing at all. Simple usability features that
> Word has never approached.
> Longing for DOS - that's pure masochism!

The right tool for the right occasion. But some (granted, only a few)
things work better or simpler in DOS (such as renaming a bunch of files with
wildcards, deleting an index.dat file (which can't be done in windows), and
a few other goodies)
 
Re: IE dehanced?

On Feb 25, 1:46 am, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> davegb wrote:
> > On Feb 24, 6:25 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Vern Linard wrote:
> >>> things change.. some for better some for worse
>
> >>> IE and Vista are horrid, made by people that should be hanged for
> >>> destroying all logic and usablitity in UI.
> >>> Case closed
>
> >> IYHO
> >> ;-)
>
> >> There are still people who prefer things from Windows 3.11 for
> >> Workgroups.
> >> Some still prefer OS 9 over OS X. Some even long for the DOS and
> >> WordPerfect 5 days...
>
> >> --
> >> Shenan Stanley
> >> MS-MVP
> > Sometimes, we long for things the way they were for emotional,
> > nostalgic reasons. I don't have such feelings about software.
> > Wordperfect was a vastly superior word processor to Word, for at least
> > 2 reasons. First, it had simple, straightforward ways of setting tabs
> > and margins and indents, something I still long for. After many years
> > of playing with Word's mysterious margin/tab/indent tool, I still have
> > no idea how it works or what I'll get when I manipulate it, and I
> > still, most of the time, can't get it to do what I want. If I were the
> > only person with this experience, I'd take the blame. But I'm not.
> > Second, Wordperfect's "Reveal Codes" view, in which you could see
> > every formatting code in the document and correct them as needed.
> > Figuring out what exactly is causing one paragraph to behave one way
> > and another to behave another way is still often impossible in Word.
> > This is NOT a nostalgic thing at all. Simple usability features that
> > Word has never approached.
> > Longing for DOS - that's pure masochism!
>
> The right tool for the right occasion.    But some (granted, only a few)
> things work better or simpler in DOS (such as renaming a bunch of files with
> wildcards, deleting an index.dat file (which can't be done in windows), and
> a few other goodies)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No doubt. But missing a few features is not the same as "longing for".
Given all the advantages of a GUI, I've never misssed DOS. And for
most those things you miss, you can find those little, small developer
apps that work so well.
 
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