Re: Vista any good ?
Re: Vista any good ?
"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message
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>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
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>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I too have tried Vista 64 bit and 32 bit and had the exact same
>>> frustrations. I too will not go into a list as it is too long to post
>>> here.
>>
>> Vista did have issues of its own, and have been addressed in the SP1
>> update which will find its way onto systems very soon.
>>
>> But Microsoft is not the whole industry, and for whatever reasons, many
>> 3rd party manufacturers and software authors showed public intransigence
>> when it came to writing drivers or updates for anything. Even the MS
>> keyboard/mice manufacturer played hard to get.
>>
>> Some of the manufacturers have back tracked since the early days as there
>> was no big rush to replace printers, scanners, USB wireless devices etc.
>> What the manufacturers didn't want was for people to stay with XP,
>> because then there would be no need for users to replace anything and
>> they would lose revenue.
>>
>> 64bit is still much of a niche, and manufacturers were not prepared to
>> put time and effort into writing 64bit stuff if hardly anybody was going
>> to use it. This is changing but slowly.
>>
>>> One advantage 64 bit has, is with the OS taking 22% of 8GB of RAM you
>>> have more free RAM for applications. And yes, I bought a nice GPU to
>>> replace on > onboard UMA.
>>>
>>
>> For the average user/business workstation there is not a need for more
>> than 4gb as yet. And integrated video is always a compromise as laptop
>> owners find out.
>>
>>> Vista looks nice, but peal off the fancy glass interface and it is a
>>> pest to use and customize. Slow on disk copy and network.
>>
>> SP1 addresses these issues
>
> SP1, was it not withdrawn once? Not a comforting feeling. And from what
> I hear, it does break new things.
>
>>> Obficated inside, try getting it working with Samba...
>>
>> Samba has issues too..
>
> The issue with Samba is Vista. I have used Samba for over 10 years. This
> is the first MS product it does not work with, and obviously deliberate on
> MS part. Samba even works with Linux, did you know that?
>
> And it's VPN/IPSec works too. Even between different version of Linux,
> Solaris and devices.
>
>> >Even though I am using it, and power savings off I can hear drives
>> >cycling
>> up and down.
>>
>> Vista defaults to power saving. It can be changed..
>
> I changed it. I was running Windows 1.0, that did not take long to
> figure, yet with sleep/conservation off the drives still would cycle. If
> have problems with it, my guess is very many people do, just haven't
> burned their drives out yet. But not a problems as of an hour ago.
>
>>>This is beta ware!
>>
>> No more than anything else in the IT world..
>
> Yes, but this accelerates the decline. Just that you and MS pundits have
> accepted it. If Vista was a car, I would be pursuing the lemon law.
>
>>> Why does Microsoft not sell or give us the option of which OS at a
>>> reasonable price? Seriously?
>>
>> Fixed overheads, salaries to be paid? They do more than produce Vista..
>
> Huh? XP is sunk cost. Not that much cost to keep it in copy. If I went
> to Ford, and said I wanted a F150 4x4, I don't think they would say they
> could only sell me an Edsel.
>
>>> Something wrong with "Shall that be Vista or XP?" on it's first boot?
>>> Is Microsoft grown so arrogant they want to force feed us Vista?
>>
>> Like many other software authors, they do not want to have to support old
>> stuff for ever..
>
> And we don't want to be the beta testers. Maybe Microsoft aught to make
> all their programers use machines people regularily buy, make them use
> Vista day in an day out until they get it right. And audit them to make
> sure they are not cheating.
>
>>> Don't tell me if I buy a small disk over priced business system so I can
>>> use XP, I want it on the $1000 home PC. I can't get XP Pro x64 or
>>> better yet MCE... I can get 32 bit, but that is insufficient. My other
>>> older PC is MCE and to me it is Microsoft's zenith in OS development. I
>>> want that one.
>>
>> Vista Ultimate replaces that..
>
> Bu11sh1t. I am not spending any more on Vista and at the rate of
> progress, I will likely retire before I see a SP 4. Ultimate, a chance to
> bilk people.
>
> MS profits are up for the moment because they are double dipping the
> consumer. Something that will not last. Buy a new machine, Vista only.
> Then get a XP so things will work. MS-Windows, bought twice runs once.
>
>>> I want XP MCE or I will switch to Linux.
>>
>> And you think that Linux will be better? Go ahead..
>
> Already did. Dual booting Fedora 8 and SUSE Enterprise to see which one I
> like best. No hassles either, the boot nicely coexists and isn't myopic
> like the MS one. Installed right the first time. Even downloaded MythTV
> for when I get the chance to play.
>
> Me, I now run real windows, X-Windows. Stable, compatible and proven.
> Even runs Office, OpenOffice that is.
>
Real Windows? hahahaha. I am amazed that you need any kind of Windows being
as you are into real computing.
Tell me something. Does a document typed out in OO Writer carry more weight
than the same typed out in Word 2007? Do you need more technical prowess to
be able to do it?
You anti-MS (or, I suspect anti any large corporation) Linux zealots talk
the same type of crap as did supporters of DOS when Windows first appeared.
Apparently, these people were into real computing, meaning that one had to
be able to remember at least five command line statements to get through a
day.
Have you amazed your family by opening up a command window and typing in
'ipconfig /all'. Weren't they just so impressed with your skill as all of
the text flashed up onto the screen!!
With your ability, you shouldn't have to ever buy a Windows computer. Just
throw a few parts together on the kitchen table, load up Fedora and hey
presto, a real computer for a real computer user. I'm impressed, can't you
tell?
The trouble is that 99% of the world aren't computer geeks. They have never
and will never have to take the side off of an IBM Chess Champion and fix
it. They will never have to look through the 12 volumes of AIX commands and,
with all respect, would not own a computer if they were the criteria for
owning one.
Whether you are the guy working on the 3D 'see it from all angles on the
screen' 747 wiring loom, administrator for a few Storage Managers, home geek
running two Linux variants just to type out something in OO Writer, or
Grandma downloading pictures of her grandchildren via Yahoo Messenger, the
common factor is computer user. One computer type doesn't do all. One OS
doesn't do all.
Re Vista, it works surprisingly well for many people. Like all other OS'es,
it has had its issues but they are fast disappearing, just as they did for
XP. Many users of Vista would never even come across Vista issues because
they are not the type to delve into Windows Explorer or try to copy 5gb
zipped files across a network. For those who do, some of the issues have
already been addressed.
The SP1 update was mistakenly made available for all instead of just for the
TechNet/MSDN crowd, which is why it was pulled. The stuff that SP1 broke had
all received fixes fairly quickly, so it doesn't break them anymore.
Is Vista right for everybody? If you know anything about computers, you will
recognize that there is not an OS on the planet that is right for everybody,
so knocking Vista, XP, Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora, Mac OS, AIX, is a dumb thing to
do.
They all do what they do. You are happy with what you have now, so leave it
at that. If Vista or any MS product doesn't work for you, use something
else.
--
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