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Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/


New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
great minds think alike..
but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and that
they have ignored the
consumers opinion.

from that post

"I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their Community.
They need to value implementation over features, instead of the other way
around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't show us
something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before you do it.
Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community really wants and
needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm talking about your
average Home users. These people will help you build a better product if you
let them. I truly hope you let them.
Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
future at this point. Take heed. "


--
What people are REALLY saying about Vista:
http://www.microsplot.com/news/2007..._people_are_really_saying_about_windows_vista

50 Ways to leave your Vista....

CHORUS:

You just format the drive , Clive
Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
You don't need to discuss much
Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free
 
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Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will saveyou and your future at this point.

On the Bridge! wrote:

> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>
>
> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
> great minds think alike..

CP is an ignorant, technically incompetent fool. Anyone who has seen
this clown in action knows that to be true. Please think of yourself as
much more capable than this idiot is or will ever be. He is an example
of the bad part of the Internet...that is any fool can express his
opinion and get a following.
If it were not for tech tv this loser would be in the bread line.
Frank
 
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Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

I have known Chris since 98 via the interest, and have watched his every
move closely

He is not a loser, he is a winner. Sure he is not the most hard core tech in
the world,
but he has other talents that he takes advantage of. He is good in
explaining tech stuff in a simple
manner so the average user can understand and take advantage of the
knowledge he shares.

That is a very positive trait.

The lockergnome newsletter wrote history... it was tremendously successful
and I would not
be surprised that he was one of the people who influenced the creation of
lots of similar
newsletters sites and blogs.

Its easy for you to come along and disregard a persons work, but the facts
is that many people benefit from his sites and information he provides over
the years.




"Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message
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> On the Bridge! wrote:
>
>> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>>
>>
>> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
>> Ok great minds think alike..
>
> CP is an ignorant, technically incompetent fool. Anyone who has seen this
> clown in action knows that to be true. Please think of yourself as much
> more capable than this idiot is or will ever be. He is an example of the
> bad part of the Internet...that is any fool can express his opinion and
> get a following.
> If it were not for tech tv this loser would be in the bread line.
> Frank
 
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On the Bridge!;633267 Wrote:
> 'Windows Vista’s Rants ~ Chris Pirillo'
> (http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/)
>
>
> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
> Ok
> great minds think alike..
> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and
> that
> they have ignored the
> consumers opinion.
>
> from that post
>
> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their
> Community.
> They need to value implementation over features, instead of the other
> way
> around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't show us
> something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before you do
> it.
> Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community really wants
> and
> needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm talking about
> your
> average Home users. These people will help you build a better product
> if you
> let them. I truly hope you let them.
> Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and
> your
> future at this point. Take heed. "
>
>
> --
> What people are REALLY saying about Vista:
> http://www.microsplot.com/news/2007..._people_are_really_saying_about_windows_vista
>
> 50 Ways to leave your Vista....
>
> CHORUS:
>
> You just format the drive , Clive
> Get a New Mac , Jack
> Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
> Just get yourself free
> Boot from a *nix, Jix
> You don't need to discuss much
> Install XP, Lee
> And get yourself free

Actually, one of the reasons why Vista was delayed so much, was because
Microsoft spent a lot of time with their R&D department. Much of what we
see today in Vista is a direct result of the feedback received from both
corporate and home users alike.


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Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will saveyou and your future at this point.

Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will saveyou and your future at this point.

On the Bridge! wrote:
> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>
>
> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
> great minds think alike..
> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and that
> they have ignored the
> consumers opinion.
>
> from that post
>
> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their Community.
> They need to value implementation over features, instead of the other way
> around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't show us
> something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before you do it.
> Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community really wants and
> needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm talking about your
> average Home users. These people will help you build a better product if you
> let them. I truly hope you let them.
> Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
> future at this point. Take heed. "
>

That's what everyone else is doing now...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2077&tag=nl.e019

"...the U.S. delegation seems to have listened to companies like Google,
which said Microsoft was making a mockery of the process; to Sun, which
says Microsoft has broken the ISO process; and to the Linux Foundation,
which called the company’s arguments “ridiculous.”

Of course Microsoft’s competitors would howl, you might say. But we’re
not playing red state-blue state here. This is a consensus process. The
idea is we all agree, not that you out-vote me.

Which seems to have been Microsoft’s problem from the get-go. Laws may
be changed by majorities, but standards are things we’re all supposed to
agree on. That’s why proprietary, royalty-bearing standards are so
controversial in the first place.

The problem is not with the Microsoft technology. The problem is with
the Microsoft attitude, which seems eerily similar to what we’ve seen in
U.S. politics for a long time now. Despite all Microsoft’s claims to
have changed, the company remains a prisoner of its time.

And the times they are a-changin’. Even if Microsoft succeeds here, its
tide is going out."

--
"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

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Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

>Much of what we
see today in Vista is a direct result of the feedback received from both
corporate and home users alike.


So users wanted a start menu that collapses upon itself, or an UAC thats in
their face 1000 times a day
or a defrag with no visual feedback or.. wait! The crap is so much.. I will
need days to list the stupid things that vista has.

NO these are only the STUPID BAD SOLUTIONS MS gave to the feedback and then
went ahead and implemenetd the solutions they thought were good *but were
stupid*.. they never asked
the very thing Chris is saying: Like here is what we are thinking of doing,
do you agree with it? LOL


Everything about vista shows its the most user unfriendly OS since win. 3.1
how can some people
actually like it, amazes me!


"dzomlija" <dzomlija.35pl35@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:dzomlija.35pl35@no-mx.forums.net...
>
> On the Bridge!;633267 Wrote:
>> 'Windows Vista’s Rants ~ Chris Pirillo'
>> (http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/)
>>
>>
>> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
>> Ok
>> great minds think alike..
>> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and
>> that
>> they have ignored the
>> consumers opinion.
>>
>> from that post
>>
>> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their
>> Community.
>> They need to value implementation over features, instead of the other
>> way
>> around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't show us
>> something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before you do
>> it.
>> Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community really wants
>> and
>> needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm talking about
>> your
>> average Home users. These people will help you build a better product
>> if you
>> let them. I truly hope you let them.
>> Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and
>> your
>> future at this point. Take heed. "
>>
>>
>> --
>> What people are REALLY saying about Vista:
>> http://www.microsplot.com/news/2007..._people_are_really_saying_about_windows_vista
>>
>> 50 Ways to leave your Vista....
>>
>> CHORUS:
>>
>> You just format the drive , Clive
>> Get a New Mac , Jack
>> Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
>> Just get yourself free
>> Boot from a *nix, Jix
>> You don't need to discuss much
>> Install XP, Lee
>> And get yourself free
>
> Actually, one of the reasons why Vista was delayed so much, was because
> Microsoft spent a lot of time with their R&D department. Much of what we
> see today in Vista is a direct result of the feedback received from both
> corporate and home users alike.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> _____________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> -Download MP3 Media Properties Explorer: --http://www.phx.co.za-
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe
> - AMD Athlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Chassis
> - 1207GB Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007See my rig at:
> http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Dzomlija/Venus/
 
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Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

On the Bridge! wrote:

> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>
>
> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
> great minds think alike..
> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and
> that they have ignored the
> consumers opinion.
>
> from that post
>
> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their
> Community. They need to value implementation over features, instead of the
> other way around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't
> show us something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before
> you do it. Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community
> really wants and needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm
> talking about your average Home users. These people will help you build a
> better product if you let them. I truly hope you let them.
> Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
> future at this point. Take heed. "
>
>
This is NO "Community". This is a *seller* and *buyer* relationship. In
plain 101 Economics, the former is there to make money off the latter. If
you're looking for a "community", you'll need to look at Open Source, where
the supplier of software, provides the software for free to other users of
the "community". Big difference!

Cheers.

--
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http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
 
Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

ok listen to the consumers.. call them whatever you like...



"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On the Bridge! wrote:
>
>> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>>
>>
>> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
>> Ok
>> great minds think alike..
>> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and
>> that they have ignored the
>> consumers opinion.
>>
>> from that post
>>
>> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their
>> Community. They need to value implementation over features, instead of
>> the
>> other way around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't
>> show us something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before
>> you do it. Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community
>> really wants and needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm
>> talking about your average Home users. These people will help you build a
>> better product if you let them. I truly hope you let them.
>> Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
>> future at this point. Take heed. "
>>
>>
> This is NO "Community". This is a *seller* and *buyer* relationship. In
> plain 101 Economics, the former is there to make money off the latter. If
> you're looking for a "community", you'll need to look at Open Source,
> where
> the supplier of software, provides the software for free to other users of
> the "community". Big difference!
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> What does Bill Gates use?
> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl
>
> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>
> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>
> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>
 
Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

Frank wrote:

> On the Bridge! wrote:
>
>> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>>
>>
>> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
>> Ok great minds think alike..
>
> CP is an ignorant, technically incompetent fool. Anyone who has seen
> this clown in action knows that to be true. Please think of yourself as
> much more capable than this idiot is or will ever be. He is an example
> of the bad part of the Internet...that is any fool can express his
> opinion and get a following.

Francis, seems to describe YOU to a T.


> If it were not for tech tv this loser would be in the bread line.

Jealous that he's got a TV show and you don't? When you learn to clean up
your language and behave like a decent person and take your meds, you too
might some day get your own TV show. Maybe they'll resurrect the Howdy
Doody Show and you can be the star?

> Frank

Cheers and LOL!


--
What does Bill Gates use?
http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
 
Re: display is too small

Re: display is too small


On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
> So users wanted a start menu that collapses upon itself, or an UAC thats
> in their face 1000 times a day or a defrag with no visual feedback or..
> wait! The crap is so much.. I will need days to list the stupid things
> that vista has.

Then please, feel free to compile this list of yours that will
supposedly take days, and perhaps you can give us all a break by not
posting for a while until it's ready.

But as for the "colapsing start menu", it was designed as such because
many users found the cascading menu difficult to navigate. Also, the new
style start menu facilitates its integration into the new Search Index,
making it easier to find those "hard-to-find" items.

We as users didn't specifically ask for UAC. What we wanted was a more
secure way of preventing improper system changes by either ourselves, or
by malware. UAC was the solution.

If you happen to see UAC prompts 1000 times a day, then you're spending
too much time inappropriately changing system settings and adding or
removing software - as opposed to actually using the computer for
something productive. If I where to count the UAC prompts I get, I'd be
amazed if I got 3 or 4 in a month!

And just to clear things up, I personally believe that UAC still isn't
tight enough, and that some parts of the system are still vulnerable
because. Buts it's a step in the right direction into making a properly
secure operating system.

On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
> NO these are only the STUPID BAD SOLUTIONS MS gave to the feedback and
> then went ahead and implemenetd the solutions they thought were good
> *but were stupid*.. they never asked the very thing Chris is saying:
> Like here is what we are thinking of doing, do you agree with it? LOL

I read the article referenced by the original post, including the
article that itself was referencing - and the only logical conclusion
that I have is that both you and Chris have not taken the time to fully
grasp the benefits of the changes made to the OS.

On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
> Everything about vista shows its the most user unfriendly OS since win.
> 3.1 how can some people actually like it, amazes me!

Spend a little more of your time actually doing some productive work,
and less time ranting about your own shortcomings, and maybe you'd begin
to understand that Vista IS faster, more reliable, more secure and more
compatible than any of the previous versions of Windows.


--
dzomlija

_____________________
Peter Alexander Dzomlija
-Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
you die, so shall I be Reborn...-

-Download MP3 Media Properties Explorer: --http://www.phx.co.za-

- ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe
- AMD Athlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
- 4GB DDR400
- 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600
- Thermaltake Tai-Chi Chassis
- 1207GB Formatted Storage
- Vista Ultimate x64
- CodeGear Delphi 2007See my rig at: http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Dzomlija/Venus/
 
Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:34:25 +0200, "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge>
wrote:

>http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>
>
>New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
>great minds think alike..
>but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and that
>they have ignored the
>consumers opinion.
>
>from that post
>
>"I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their Community.
>They need to value implementation over features, instead of the other way
>around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't show us
>something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before you do it.
>Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community really wants and
>needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm talking about your
>average Home users. These people will help you build a better product if you
>let them. I truly hope you let them.
>Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
>future at this point. Take heed. "


You are wasting your time. Village Idiots like Frank never cite
anything to support their "facts".
 
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Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will saveyou and your future at this point.

NoStop wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>
>>On the Bridge! wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>>>
>>>
>>>New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
>>>Ok great minds think alike..
>>
>>CP is an ignorant, technically incompetent fool. Anyone who has seen
>>this clown in action knows that to be true. Please think of yourself as
>>much more capable than this idiot is or will ever be. He is an example
>>of the bad part of the Internet...that is any fool can express his
>>opinion and get a following.
>
>
> Francis, seems to describe YOU to a T.

You have no idea who he cp is do you...LOL!

>If it were not for tech tv this loser would be in the bread line.
>
>
> Jealous that he's got a TV show and you don't?

Who ever said I wanted to be on tv, huh?

When you learn to clean up
> your language and behave like a decent person and take your meds, you too
> might some day get your own TV show. Maybe they'll resurrect the Howdy
> Doody Show and you can be the star?

Maybe if you stopped your lying and linux trolling you'd be a happier
person, huh?
Frank
 
Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will saveyou and your future at this point.

Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will saveyou and your future at this point.

NoStop wrote:

> On the Bridge! wrote:
>
>
>>http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>>
>>
>>New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
>>great minds think alike..
>>but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and
>>that they have ignored the
>>consumers opinion.
>>
>>from that post
>>
>>"I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their
>>Community. They need to value implementation over features, instead of the
>>other way around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't
>>show us something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before
>>you do it. Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community
>>really wants and needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm
>>talking about your average Home users. These people will help you build a
>>better product if you let them. I truly hope you let them.
>>Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
>>future at this point. Take heed. "
>>
>>
>
> This is NO "Community". This is a *seller* and *buyer* relationship. In
> plain 101 Economics, the former is there to make money off the latter. If
> you're looking for a "community", you'll need to look at Open Source, where
> the supplier of software, provides the software for free to other users of
> the "community". Big difference!

There sure is! You have to use that POS toy os cause your broke and it's
free. Big deal loser. It's all worthless crap as evidence by it's almost
non-existent, shrinking market share.
It's for broke lying losers just like you and your butt-buddy alias...LOL!
Frank
 
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thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:34:25 +0200, "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge>
> wrote:
>
>
>>http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>>
>>
>>New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
>>great minds think alike..
>>but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and that
>>they have ignored the
>>consumers opinion.
>>
>
>>from that post
>
>>"I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their Community.
>>They need to value implementation over features, instead of the other way
>>around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't show us
>>something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before you do it.
>>Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community really wants and
>>needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm talking about your
>>average Home users. These people will help you build a better product if you
>>let them. I truly hope you let them.
>>Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
>>future at this point. Take heed. "
>
>
>
> You are wasting your time. Village Idiots like Frank never cite
> anything to support their "facts".

I guess you're talking about yourself right...LOL!
You're a stupid POS as*hole!
Frank
 
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Re: display is too small

I know why MS changed the start menu... so what was their solution to
confusion? HIDE IT and make it searchable because navigating in that small
area inside the start menu is worse than looking for a needle in a hey
stack.

Can you say BAD SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM? I Can!

So now what do we have, a usless list of programs, and the need to TYPE (for
crying out load) the program you want to launch. I dont think you realise
how bad this is.

See my nice start menu in XP,
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/840/startmenuxpen9.jpg
see how nice and organised it is?... is this hard to navigate? NOPE, its
clean and fast... I did this manually of course but see here a util that
does this for the novice

http://www.tidystartmenu.com/index.shtml

All microsoft needed was to BUY this guys idea off of him (not steal it) and
impliment it in to a wizard, or better yet make it into an automated
task.... Like linux knows where each program goes, an online database could
be constructed that would categorize all the already existing programs
according to its nature into subgroups.
All the developer or even a (microsoft employee or memeber of a microsoft
community can do this) had to do then was to log into an account and chose
the category it wants vista to put it in, the start menu then vista would
read the database and put the program in order, this for the old apps. For
the new apps the developers would chose before hand one of the default
subcagegories. SIMPLE AND ELEGANT.

MUST I ANALYZE FURTHER? Yes... the human mind works best when it can visualy
reproduce pathways that are logically structured. When you have a diagonal
(staircased) pathway the brian memorizes this and can reproduce the motion
to launch the program faster the next time. But when you have a menu that
collapses upon itself, there is no pathway... only up and down motion that
cannot be remembered by the brain and learned to reproduce automatically,
the result is the need to READ the menu, this of course slows down the use
of it.

Must I corner you in all the things we are talking about? Because I know im
right and I can prove them...








"dzomlija" <dzomlija.35pok0@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:dzomlija.35pok0@no-mx.forums.net...
>
> On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
>> So users wanted a start menu that collapses upon itself, or an UAC thats
>> in their face 1000 times a day or a defrag with no visual feedback or..
>> wait! The crap is so much.. I will need days to list the stupid things
>> that vista has.
>
> Then please, feel free to compile this list of yours that will
> supposedly take days, and perhaps you can give us all a break by not
> posting for a while until it's ready.
>
> But as for the "colapsing start menu", it was designed as such because
> many users found the cascading menu difficult to navigate. Also, the new
> style start menu facilitates its integration into the new Search Index,
> making it easier to find those "hard-to-find" items.
>
> We as users didn't specifically ask for UAC. What we wanted was a more
> secure way of preventing improper system changes by either ourselves, or
> by malware. UAC was the solution.
>
> If you happen to see UAC prompts 1000 times a day, then you're spending
> too much time inappropriately changing system settings and adding or
> removing software - as opposed to actually using the computer for
> something productive. If I where to count the UAC prompts I get, I'd be
> amazed if I got 3 or 4 in a month!
>
> And just to clear things up, I personally believe that UAC still isn't
> tight enough, and that some parts of the system are still vulnerable
> because. Buts it's a step in the right direction into making a properly
> secure operating system.
>
> On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
>> NO these are only the STUPID BAD SOLUTIONS MS gave to the feedback and
>> then went ahead and implemenetd the solutions they thought were good
>> *but were stupid*.. they never asked the very thing Chris is saying:
>> Like here is what we are thinking of doing, do you agree with it? LOL
>
> I read the article referenced by the original post, including the
> article that itself was referencing - and the only logical conclusion
> that I have is that both you and Chris have not taken the time to fully
> grasp the benefits of the changes made to the OS.
>
> On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
>> Everything about vista shows its the most user unfriendly OS since win.
>> 3.1 how can some people actually like it, amazes me!
>
> Spend a little more of your time actually doing some productive work,
> and less time ranting about your own shortcomings, and maybe you'd begin
> to understand that Vista IS faster, more reliable, more secure and more
> compatible than any of the previous versions of Windows.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> _____________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> -Download MP3 Media Properties Explorer: --http://www.phx.co.za-
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe
> - AMD Athlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Chassis
> - 1207GB Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007See my rig at:
> http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Dzomlija/Venus/
 
Re: display is too small

Re: display is too small

"correction HAY STACK" lol



"On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
news:47cc5f37@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>I know why MS changed the start menu... so what was their solution to
>confusion? HIDE IT and make it searchable because navigating in that small
>area inside the start menu is worse than looking for a needle in a hey
>stack.
>
> Can you say BAD SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM? I Can!
>
> So now what do we have, a usless list of programs, and the need to TYPE
> (for crying out load) the program you want to launch. I dont think you
> realise how bad this is.
>
> See my nice start menu in XP,
> http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/840/startmenuxpen9.jpg
> see how nice and organised it is?... is this hard to navigate? NOPE, its
> clean and fast... I did this manually of course but see here a util that
> does this for the novice
>
> http://www.tidystartmenu.com/index.shtml
>
> All microsoft needed was to BUY this guys idea off of him (not steal it)
> and impliment it in to a wizard, or better yet make it into an automated
> task.... Like linux knows where each program goes, an online database
> could be constructed that would categorize all the already existing
> programs according to its nature into subgroups.
> All the developer or even a (microsoft employee or memeber of a microsoft
> community can do this) had to do then was to log into an account and chose
> the category it wants vista to put it in, the start menu then vista would
> read the database and put the program in order, this for the old apps. For
> the new apps the developers would chose before hand one of the default
> subcagegories. SIMPLE AND ELEGANT.
>
> MUST I ANALYZE FURTHER? Yes... the human mind works best when it can
> visualy reproduce pathways that are logically structured. When you have a
> diagonal (staircased) pathway the brian memorizes this and can reproduce
> the motion to launch the program faster the next time. But when you have a
> menu that collapses upon itself, there is no pathway... only up and down
> motion that cannot be remembered by the brain and learned to reproduce
> automatically, the result is the need to READ the menu, this of course
> slows down the use of it.
>
> Must I corner you in all the things we are talking about? Because I know
> im right and I can prove them...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "dzomlija" <dzomlija.35pok0@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
> news:dzomlija.35pok0@no-mx.forums.net...
>>
>> On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
>>> So users wanted a start menu that collapses upon itself, or an UAC thats
>>> in their face 1000 times a day or a defrag with no visual feedback or..
>>> wait! The crap is so much.. I will need days to list the stupid things
>>> that vista has.
>>
>> Then please, feel free to compile this list of yours that will
>> supposedly take days, and perhaps you can give us all a break by not
>> posting for a while until it's ready.
>>
>> But as for the "colapsing start menu", it was designed as such because
>> many users found the cascading menu difficult to navigate. Also, the new
>> style start menu facilitates its integration into the new Search Index,
>> making it easier to find those "hard-to-find" items.
>>
>> We as users didn't specifically ask for UAC. What we wanted was a more
>> secure way of preventing improper system changes by either ourselves, or
>> by malware. UAC was the solution.
>>
>> If you happen to see UAC prompts 1000 times a day, then you're spending
>> too much time inappropriately changing system settings and adding or
>> removing software - as opposed to actually using the computer for
>> something productive. If I where to count the UAC prompts I get, I'd be
>> amazed if I got 3 or 4 in a month!
>>
>> And just to clear things up, I personally believe that UAC still isn't
>> tight enough, and that some parts of the system are still vulnerable
>> because. Buts it's a step in the right direction into making a properly
>> secure operating system.
>>
>> On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
>>> NO these are only the STUPID BAD SOLUTIONS MS gave to the feedback and
>>> then went ahead and implemenetd the solutions they thought were good
>>> *but were stupid*.. they never asked the very thing Chris is saying:
>>> Like here is what we are thinking of doing, do you agree with it? LOL
>>
>> I read the article referenced by the original post, including the
>> article that itself was referencing - and the only logical conclusion
>> that I have is that both you and Chris have not taken the time to fully
>> grasp the benefits of the changes made to the OS.
>>
>> On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
>>> Everything about vista shows its the most user unfriendly OS since win.
>>> 3.1 how can some people actually like it, amazes me!
>>
>> Spend a little more of your time actually doing some productive work,
>> and less time ranting about your own shortcomings, and maybe you'd begin
>> to understand that Vista IS faster, more reliable, more secure and more
>> compatible than any of the previous versions of Windows.
>>
>>
>> --
>> dzomlija
>>
>> _____________________
>> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
>> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
>> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>>
>> -Download MP3 Media Properties Explorer: --http://www.phx.co.za-
>>
>> - ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe
>> - AMD Athlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
>> - 4GB DDR400
>> - 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600
>> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Chassis
>> - 1207GB Formatted Storage
>> - Vista Ultimate x64
>> - CodeGear Delphi 2007See my rig at:
>> http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Dzomlija/Venus/
>
>
 
Re: display is too small

Re: display is too small

On the Bridge! wrote:


cc...you know...personal opinions are like as*holes...everyones got one.
You're mistake is in thinking that everyone wants to see yours...they
don't.
Trust me...I know.
Frank
 
Re: display is too small

Re: display is too small

I don't really care if anyone wants to read my opinion, but I had to put it
out there and give a partial reply at least just in case someone is
wondering WHY I think the vista start menu could be made far better than its
current implementation.


"Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message
news:eftBpIXfIHA.5996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> On the Bridge! wrote:
>
>
> cc...you know...personal opinions are like as*holes...everyones got one.
> You're mistake is in thinking that everyone wants to see yours...they
> don't.
> Trust me...I know.
> Frank
 
Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

Re: Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your future at this point.

On the Bridge! wrote:
> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/windows-vistas-rants/
>
>
> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have
> said.. Ok great minds think alike..
> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista
> and that they have ignored the
> consumers opinion.
>
> from that post
>
> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their
> Community...."

They did. Focus groups, polls, over-the-shoulder observations, labs,
psychologists, time-and-motion industrial engineers, software providers,
literally tens of thousands of emails and suggestions.

Micros~1 did, however, reject suggestions from alien abductees concerned
with anal probing.
 
Re: display is too small

Re: display is too small

On the Bridge! wrote:

> All microsoft needed was to BUY this guys idea off of him (not steal
> it) and impliment it in to a wizard, or better yet make it into an
> automated task.... Like linux knows where each program goes, an
> online database could be constructed that would categorize all the
> already existing programs according to its nature into subgroups.

Ah ha! Another Linux troll exposes himself ("... that looks like a penis,
only smaller...").

For the life of me, I can't understand why the Linux devotees don't get
together for a mutual admiration tea and quit jacking with normal folk.
 
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