Re: Vista Ultimate 32-Bit to 64-Bit
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> Upgrade PKs are not eligible for full "clean" install path.
Incorrect. It has nothing to do with the PK (license). It is a software
matter. The installation methodology is always at the convenience of the
user. Microsoft builds Setup to handle the majority of installs, but any
method is acceptible because the user is still bound by the terms of the
EULA.
>method 2 details provided assume the
> original installation of Vista x86 was an upgrade PK also (from XP or
> other
> valid path.)
It may assume that but it is clearly wrong. Vista has always been listed in
the upgrade matrix as eligible for upgrade to Vista and the bitness has
never been a distinction. It is just simply and plainly an error to
instruct a user to install XP when XP may not even have been used on the
computer. There are a bunch of computers on sale right now that don't even
have XP drivers.
>Even though OEM, it is a full license
There is no "full" license. The EULA is just the EULA. There are retail
and OEM EULAs. The retail EULAs contain wording that apply to upgrades, but
there are not seperate "full" and "upgrade" retail EULAs.
>and Method 1 applies to get the individual to Vista HP x64.
Why in the world would a user have to upgrade from VHP x86 to VHP x64 before
upgrading to VU x64? Nonsense. The user can just stick his VU x64 dvd in
the machine, boot, and enter the upgrade pk. x64 Setup will find an
eligible copy of Windows already installed and simply proceed. The VHP x86
migration to VHP x64 would have been a custom install anyway so there is
absolutely nothing gained by such a step because all software has to be
reinstalled anyway.
> If the individual desires to go straight to Vista U x64 with an upgrade
> PK,
> skipping the version for which they have a full version license, then
> Method
> 2 is required to meet the EULA.
Once again, the EULA does not dictate installation methodology. Read the
EULA. In section 14 all that is required is that the user OWN a license
eligible for upgrade. Installing the software for which the license will be
superceded is not required. In fact, you can upgrade over a retail XP
installation, for example, but use a Win2k license that has been sitting on
your shelf and then be able to use the XP on another machine later. You can
decide that you want the Win2k license superceded so that you can reuse the
XP license even though Win2k is not on the machine. The superceded license
does not have to be for installed software for it to be the eligible
license. It is called "assigning". The mere fact that an operating system
license is installed on the computer being upgraded does not force the user
to supercede that license. It is the user's choice and if he has another
eligible license he may assign it. Don't confuse installation methodology
with licensing.
>
"Mark" <jmhonzell@nospam.insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:%236qh4JCiIHA.5260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Method 2 makes one important assumption, that the individual installing
> x64
> has an upgrade PK.
>
> Upgrade PKs are not eligible for full "clean" install path. There may be
> shortcuts to circumvent the method, but it is still an upgrade license.
> Since x64 requires a clean install, the method 2 details provided assume
> the
> original installation of Vista x86 was an upgrade PK also (from XP or
> other
> valid path.) In this light, the original OS used for the original upgrade
> must be installed first to meet the upgrade path requirements.
>
> In the original post, Vista HP x86 OEM is already installed on his new
> computer. Even though OEM, it is a full license and Method 1 applies to
> get
> the individual to Vista HP x64. From there, he may upgrade to Vista U x64
> with his upgade PK.
>
> If the individual desires to go straight to Vista U x64 with an upgrade
> PK,
> skipping the version for which they have a full version license, then
> Method
> 2 is required to meet the EULA.
>
> It may work by your method, but it definately works as written and is not
> a
> mistake.
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:362A7F9D-09DB-463B-A622-A6FBECC3D276@microsoft.com...
>> I have read it before and Method 2 under "Installing a 64-bit version of
>> Windows Vista on computer that is running a 32-bit version of Windows
> Vista"
>> is obviously wrong.
>>
>> It cannot be necessary to install Windows XP. It is an obvious mistake.
>> Stop a moment and think about it. Reread the title of the section. It
>> is
>> about installing Vista x64 on Vista x86, not on XP. It simply cannot be
>> correct because the user may very well not even own XP. It might be his
>> first computer and came with Vista x86 preinstalled. Where is such a
>> user
>> supposed to get this XP?
>>
>> In fact no operating system is necessary at all if the user wants to
> install
>> twice, once without a pk and the second time with one.
>>
>> "Mark" <jmhonzell@nospam.insightbb.com> wrote in message
>> news:27AE19E4-6E6F-429D-BF66-342536D7BBDE@microsoft.com...
>> > My apologies. Thanks for keeping it straight Colin.
>> > I misread the original post.
>> > The link provided is still correct, just a different section applied.
>> > I always try to provide a source. So, read the MS document.
>> > (That way you won't curse us when we give you the wrong instruction.)
>> >
>> >
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:93A116FB-1C49-4E79-A9F5-4F12C1D29EC8@microsoft.com...
>> >>> Most likely, his VHP is OEM which is not eligible to move to x64.
>> >>
>> >> Yes it is. (Although it is true that a preinstalled VHP x86 does not
>> >> qualify a person to order a free x64 dvd from MS.)
>> >>
>> >>> Since he has a VU upgrade PK, he would have to take the path of
>> >>> reverting to XP first.
>> >>
>> >> What XP? He has never had XP on this computer. He said he purchased
> the
>> >> computer with VHP preinstalled.
>> >>
>> >> He upgraded already to Vista Ultimate x86. Vista is always eligible
> for
>> >> upgrade to Vista. All he has to do is use his upgrade edition product
>> >> key again and install Vista Ultimate x64. As soon as he inputs the
>> >> pk,
>> >> Setup will search for and find an eligible copy of Windows on his
>> >> computer (Vista Ultimate x86). There is no need to "revert" to
> anything.
>> >>
>> >> "Mark" <jmhonzell@nospam.insightbb.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1EFA68BC-2C16-4CE3-AD09-93C19457B7F0@microsoft.com...
>> >>> Most likely, his VHP is OEM which is not eligible to move to x64.
>> >>> Since he has a VU upgrade PK, he would have to take the path of
>> >>> reverting to XP first.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >>> news
AD4E40E-661A-48B1-A585-D3412083DE2F@microsoft.com...
>> >>>> No it doesn't. A copy of Vista is eligible for an upgrade to Vista.
>> >>>> The user who has a copy of VHP x86 preinstalled can upgrade to Vista
>> >>>> Ultimate x64 by booting with the x64 dvd and entering his upgrade
>> >>>> edition pk. Setup will find the VHP installed and allow the user to
>> >>>> proceed since Vista is an eligible product (see the upgrade matrix).
>> >>>> The user is not required to perform the upgrade from the desktop of
> the
>> >>>> existing Windows (in fact he can't). He may then perform a clean
>> >>>> install (reformat if he wishes) or perform a custom install to any
>> >>>> available volume. 64bit upgrades are very different from 32bit
>> >>>> upgrades. I have done these upgrades myself.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Mark" <jmhonzell@nospam.insightbb.com> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:BC3B1162-E171-4CE3-8B4A-278B575FE1C1@microsoft.com...
>> >>>>> Most likely your current HP version is OEM.
>> >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932795/
>> >>>>> (An upgrade Product Key requires that you revert to XP SP2 prior to
>> >>>>> using it to install x64 from Vista x86.)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> See section:
>> >>>>> Installing Vista x64 on a system already running 32-bit version of
>> >>>>> Vista.
>> >>>>> Just follow the instructions.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Key factors in being successful:
>> >>>>> 1. Make sure all drivers needed are available out there. They must
> be
>> >>>>> x64 versions to work.
>> >>>>> Some components still have trouble until x64 is installed. You
> may
>> >>>>> want to remove them first:
>> >>>>> a. Creative sound cards.
>> >>>>> b. SLI graphics
>> >>>>> c. Mixed SATA and IDE drives. (only have one installed while
>> >>>>> installing x64)
>> >>>>> When done, put them back in one at a time.
>> >>>>> 2. When installing, elect not to update Vista until you are all
> done.
>> >>>>> 3. If for some reason, it errs prior to complete install, just
>> >>>>> start
>> >>>>> the x64 DVD again. You don't have to install XP again.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To make uses of all memory, ensure you "remap" the memory hole
> through
>> >>>>> your BIOS. If this function is not available in the BIOS, you may
> need
>> >>>>> to update the BIOS. If still not available, I would question the
> need
>> >>>>> to go to x64.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As everyone will be happy to point out semantics... this is not an
>> >>>>> upgrade, but a clean install. Nothing will survive so copy all your
>> >>>>> files first to a safe location.
>> >>>>> E-mail addresses transfer by WET.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Good luck!
>> >>>>> Let us know how it goes.
>> >>>>> I've been on x64 since Vista was released and it's rock solid.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Seidell23231" <Seidell23231@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >>>>> message news:60BE1E54-48E0-4BA1-9874-C2A3B292E050@microsoft.com...
>> >>>>>> Hello ALL,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> About 8 months ago I purchased Vista Ultimate Upgrade, because I
> was
>> >>>>>> upgrading the PC I had than from XP Pro to Vista Ultimate.
> Upgraded
>> >>>>>> all went
>> >>>>>> smooth no problems.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Fast forward to today. The old PC has passed on and a New PC (HP
>> >>>>>> Pavillion
>> >>>>>> Elite m9150f with Intel Core 2 Quad) is home and getting setup.
> The
>> >>>>>> new PC
>> >>>>>> came with Vista Home Premium 32-Bit. I have upgraded it to Vista
>> >>>>>> Ultimate
>> >>>>>> 32-Bit, BUT I want to use the 64-Bit since my PC can handle it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> My Question is this ~~ Can I upgrade to Vista 64 with my current
>> >>>>>> allocation?
>> >>>>>> If YES, please explain, if NO please explain how to fix so I can
> use
>> >>>>>> 64-Bit.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks ~~ Gunny
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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