Licensing

  • Thread starter Thread starter Marc S
  • Start date Start date
M

Marc S

Guest
If I have two Terminal Servers. Both Windows 2003 Standard. The Licensing
Server is on a separate 3rd Server that is one of our Domain Controllers.

If that Licensing Server is shut down for a while, and someone tries to log
onto either of the Terminal Servers, what happens?

1. Are they temporarily issued a temporarily TS license? How long does
that license last?

2. Even if the TS is set for "per Device" mode, can it allow 2 simultaneous
connections like the Remote Desktop for Administrators...or are the two
simultaneous ONLY for Remote Desktop for Administrators.
 
Re: Licensing

When your LS is offline, this is what will happen:

a. clients with an existing permanent TS CAL will be able to
connect until their license expires
b. clients with an existing temporary TS CAL will be able to
connect until their license expires
c. clients without any TS CAL will not be able to connect
d. clients with an expired TS CAL (permanent or temporary) will not
be able to connect

Permanent TS CALs expire after 52-89 days, and the clients attempts
to renew it 7 days prior to expiration. So if most of your clients
connect every day, you have 7 days to get your LS online again.
Temporary licenses expire after 90 days. A client can never get a
second temporary TS CAL.

If your only LS goes offline, you can (as an emergency measure)
install and activate a LS on another server. Even if you don't
install any TS CALs on it, it will issue a temporary license to new
clients (see group c. above). That leaves only group d. as an
immediate problem, but they should be few.

No, when you enable Terminal Services, you loose the 2 free
connections.
You have still one free connection left, though, by connecting to
the console of the server, with mstsc /console, or mstsc /admin
from a Vista SP1 or XP SP3 client.
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

=?Utf-8?B?TWFyYyBT?= <MarcS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 26
mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> If I have two Terminal Servers. Both Windows 2003 Standard. The
> Licensing Server is on a separate 3rd Server that is one of our
> Domain Controllers.
>
> If that Licensing Server is shut down for a while, and someone
> tries to log onto either of the Terminal Servers, what happens?
>
> 1. Are they temporarily issued a temporarily TS license? How
> long does that license last?
>
> 2. Even if the TS is set for "per Device" mode, can it allow 2
> simultaneous connections like the Remote Desktop for
> Administrators...or are the two simultaneous ONLY for Remote
> Desktop for Administrators.
 
Re: Licensing

(1) Wow. Thanks for all that info. Where did you find all that information?

(2) If I have (as an emergency measure) to install and activate a 2nd LS on
another server, and then my primary license server comes back online, is
there a problem if there are "two" licensing servers running at the same time
(on two separate servers). Or can there only be one LS? If the Primary
comes back online, do I need to de-activate the 2nd LS.

(3) Do I install the LS from Add/Remove Windows Components? This was
previously installed by consultants. Or is there a download?

(4) Does the LS have to be on a DC? From my reading, it seems to be the
preferred way.

(5) Once installed a LS, does Microsoft have to be called to activate, if
only using temporary licenses in the beginning.

Thanks.


"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> When your LS is offline, this is what will happen:
>
> a. clients with an existing permanent TS CAL will be able to
> connect until their license expires
> b. clients with an existing temporary TS CAL will be able to
> connect until their license expires
> c. clients without any TS CAL will not be able to connect
> d. clients with an expired TS CAL (permanent or temporary) will not
> be able to connect
>
> Permanent TS CALs expire after 52-89 days, and the clients attempts
> to renew it 7 days prior to expiration. So if most of your clients
> connect every day, you have 7 days to get your LS online again.
> Temporary licenses expire after 90 days. A client can never get a
> second temporary TS CAL.
>
> If your only LS goes offline, you can (as an emergency measure)
> install and activate a LS on another server. Even if you don't
> install any TS CALs on it, it will issue a temporary license to new
> clients (see group c. above). That leaves only group d. as an
> immediate problem, but they should be few.
>
> No, when you enable Terminal Services, you loose the 2 free
> connections.
> You have still one free connection left, though, by connecting to
> the console of the server, with mstsc /console, or mstsc /admin
> from a Vista SP1 or XP SP3 client.
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
> =?Utf-8?B?TWFyYyBT?= <MarcS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 26
> mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > If I have two Terminal Servers. Both Windows 2003 Standard. The
> > Licensing Server is on a separate 3rd Server that is one of our
> > Domain Controllers.
> >
> > If that Licensing Server is shut down for a while, and someone
> > tries to log onto either of the Terminal Servers, what happens?
> >
> > 1. Are they temporarily issued a temporarily TS license? How
> > long does that license last?
> >
> > 2. Even if the TS is set for "per Device" mode, can it allow 2
> > simultaneous connections like the Remote Desktop for
> > Administrators...or are the two simultaneous ONLY for Remote
> > Desktop for Administrators.
>
 
Re: Licensing

comments inline.

=?Utf-8?B?TWFyYyBT?= <MarcS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 27
mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> (1) Wow. Thanks for all that info. Where did you find all that
> information?

I've worked with TS for many years. You can test this scenario by
simply taking your LS offline and try to connect with a couple of
clients with and without licenses. Microsoft also has a huge amount
of information. See my website for links.

> (2) If I have (as an emergency measure) to install and activate
> a 2nd LS on another server, and then my primary license server
> comes back online, is there a problem if there are "two"
> licensing servers running at the same time (on two separate
> servers). Or can there only be one LS? If the Primary comes
> back online, do I need to de-activate the 2nd LS.

No, you can have multiple activated Licensing Servers. It's
actually recommended, for redundancy reasons.

> (3) Do I install the LS from Add/Remove Windows Components?
> This was previously installed by consultants. Or is there a
> download?

No download, just install from Add Windows components.

> (4) Does the LS have to be on a DC? From my reading, it seems
> to be the preferred way.

It doesn't have to be on a DC (assuming we are talking about
Windows 2003 or 2008). The LS role doesn't take much resources, so
you can put it on any server you like, unless you have thousands of
clients, in which case a dedicated LS could be wise.

> (5) Once installed a LS, does Microsoft have to be called to
> activate, if only using temporary licenses in the beginning.

No, you can activate the LS over the Internet.

> Thanks.

You're welcome!

> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> When your LS is offline, this is what will happen:
>>
>> a. clients with an existing permanent TS CAL will be able to
>> connect until their license expires
>> b. clients with an existing temporary TS CAL will be able to
>> connect until their license expires
>> c. clients without any TS CAL will not be able to connect
>> d. clients with an expired TS CAL (permanent or temporary) will
>> not be able to connect
>>
>> Permanent TS CALs expire after 52-89 days, and the clients
>> attempts to renew it 7 days prior to expiration. So if most of
>> your clients connect every day, you have 7 days to get your LS
>> online again. Temporary licenses expire after 90 days. A client
>> can never get a second temporary TS CAL.
>>
>> If your only LS goes offline, you can (as an emergency measure)
>> install and activate a LS on another server. Even if you don't
>> install any TS CALs on it, it will issue a temporary license to
>> new clients (see group c. above). That leaves only group d. as
>> an immediate problem, but they should be few.
>>
>> No, when you enable Terminal Services, you loose the 2 free
>> connections.
>> You have still one free connection left, though, by connecting
>> to the console of the server, with mstsc /console, or mstsc
>> /admin from a Vista SP1 or XP SP3 client.
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Vera Noest
>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>>
>> =?Utf-8?B?TWFyYyBT?= <MarcS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
>> 26 mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>>
>> > If I have two Terminal Servers. Both Windows 2003 Standard.
>> > The Licensing Server is on a separate 3rd Server that is one
>> > of our Domain Controllers.
>> >
>> > If that Licensing Server is shut down for a while, and
>> > someone tries to log onto either of the Terminal Servers,
>> > what happens?
>> >
>> > 1. Are they temporarily issued a temporarily TS license?
>> > How long does that license last?
>> >
>> > 2. Even if the TS is set for "per Device" mode, can it allow
>> > 2 simultaneous connections like the Remote Desktop for
>> > Administrators...or are the two simultaneous ONLY for Remote
>> > Desktop for Administrators.
_________________________________________________________
Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
 
Re: Licensing

The strange thing is if I add a user to only the manual Security Group, and
not the built-in, the user can still access the TS.

I notice that most users are in both groups.

My confusion is that I don't see where the manual Security Group it being
used. Is the Built-in Remote Desktop Group automatically configured so that
if a user is part of that Built-in Remote Desktop group they can access a TS.
Is there a place on the TS where either of these Security Groups is added to
allow for access. Or is it just inherited as part of being in that group.

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> comments inline.
>
> =?Utf-8?B?TWFyYyBT?= <MarcS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 27
> mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > (1) Wow. Thanks for all that info. Where did you find all that
> > information?
>
> I've worked with TS for many years. You can test this scenario by
> simply taking your LS offline and try to connect with a couple of
> clients with and without licenses. Microsoft also has a huge amount
> of information. See my website for links.
>
> > (2) If I have (as an emergency measure) to install and activate
> > a 2nd LS on another server, and then my primary license server
> > comes back online, is there a problem if there are "two"
> > licensing servers running at the same time (on two separate
> > servers). Or can there only be one LS? If the Primary comes
> > back online, do I need to de-activate the 2nd LS.
>
> No, you can have multiple activated Licensing Servers. It's
> actually recommended, for redundancy reasons.
>
> > (3) Do I install the LS from Add/Remove Windows Components?
> > This was previously installed by consultants. Or is there a
> > download?
>
> No download, just install from Add Windows components.
>
> > (4) Does the LS have to be on a DC? From my reading, it seems
> > to be the preferred way.
>
> It doesn't have to be on a DC (assuming we are talking about
> Windows 2003 or 2008). The LS role doesn't take much resources, so
> you can put it on any server you like, unless you have thousands of
> clients, in which case a dedicated LS could be wise.
>
> > (5) Once installed a LS, does Microsoft have to be called to
> > activate, if only using temporary licenses in the beginning.
>
> No, you can activate the LS over the Internet.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> You're welcome!
>
> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> When your LS is offline, this is what will happen:
> >>
> >> a. clients with an existing permanent TS CAL will be able to
> >> connect until their license expires
> >> b. clients with an existing temporary TS CAL will be able to
> >> connect until their license expires
> >> c. clients without any TS CAL will not be able to connect
> >> d. clients with an expired TS CAL (permanent or temporary) will
> >> not be able to connect
> >>
> >> Permanent TS CALs expire after 52-89 days, and the clients
> >> attempts to renew it 7 days prior to expiration. So if most of
> >> your clients connect every day, you have 7 days to get your LS
> >> online again. Temporary licenses expire after 90 days. A client
> >> can never get a second temporary TS CAL.
> >>
> >> If your only LS goes offline, you can (as an emergency measure)
> >> install and activate a LS on another server. Even if you don't
> >> install any TS CALs on it, it will issue a temporary license to
> >> new clients (see group c. above). That leaves only group d. as
> >> an immediate problem, but they should be few.
> >>
> >> No, when you enable Terminal Services, you loose the 2 free
> >> connections.
> >> You have still one free connection left, though, by connecting
> >> to the console of the server, with mstsc /console, or mstsc
> >> /admin from a Vista SP1 or XP SP3 client.
> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> Vera Noest
> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> >>
> >> =?Utf-8?B?TWFyYyBT?= <MarcS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
> >> 26 mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> >>
> >> > If I have two Terminal Servers. Both Windows 2003 Standard.
> >> > The Licensing Server is on a separate 3rd Server that is one
> >> > of our Domain Controllers.
> >> >
> >> > If that Licensing Server is shut down for a while, and
> >> > someone tries to log onto either of the Terminal Servers,
> >> > what happens?
> >> >
> >> > 1. Are they temporarily issued a temporarily TS license?
> >> > How long does that license last?
> >> >
> >> > 2. Even if the TS is set for "per Device" mode, can it allow
> >> > 2 simultaneous connections like the Remote Desktop for
> >> > Administrators...or are the two simultaneous ONLY for Remote
> >> > Desktop for Administrators.
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
 
Re: Licensing

I posted under the wrong one. Sorry

"Marc S" wrote:

> The strange thing is if I add a user to only the manual Security Group, and
> not the built-in, the user can still access the TS.
>
> I notice that most users are in both groups.
>
> My confusion is that I don't see where the manual Security Group it being
> used. Is the Built-in Remote Desktop Group automatically configured so that
> if a user is part of that Built-in Remote Desktop group they can access a TS.
> Is there a place on the TS where either of these Security Groups is added to
> allow for access. Or is it just inherited as part of being in that group.
>
> "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > comments inline.
> >
> > =?Utf-8?B?TWFyYyBT?= <MarcS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 27
> > mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> >
> > > (1) Wow. Thanks for all that info. Where did you find all that
> > > information?
> >
> > I've worked with TS for many years. You can test this scenario by
> > simply taking your LS offline and try to connect with a couple of
> > clients with and without licenses. Microsoft also has a huge amount
> > of information. See my website for links.
> >
> > > (2) If I have (as an emergency measure) to install and activate
> > > a 2nd LS on another server, and then my primary license server
> > > comes back online, is there a problem if there are "two"
> > > licensing servers running at the same time (on two separate
> > > servers). Or can there only be one LS? If the Primary comes
> > > back online, do I need to de-activate the 2nd LS.
> >
> > No, you can have multiple activated Licensing Servers. It's
> > actually recommended, for redundancy reasons.
> >
> > > (3) Do I install the LS from Add/Remove Windows Components?
> > > This was previously installed by consultants. Or is there a
> > > download?
> >
> > No download, just install from Add Windows components.
> >
> > > (4) Does the LS have to be on a DC? From my reading, it seems
> > > to be the preferred way.
> >
> > It doesn't have to be on a DC (assuming we are talking about
> > Windows 2003 or 2008). The LS role doesn't take much resources, so
> > you can put it on any server you like, unless you have thousands of
> > clients, in which case a dedicated LS could be wise.
> >
> > > (5) Once installed a LS, does Microsoft have to be called to
> > > activate, if only using temporary licenses in the beginning.
> >
> > No, you can activate the LS over the Internet.
> >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > You're welcome!
> >
> > > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
> > >
> > >> When your LS is offline, this is what will happen:
> > >>
> > >> a. clients with an existing permanent TS CAL will be able to
> > >> connect until their license expires
> > >> b. clients with an existing temporary TS CAL will be able to
> > >> connect until their license expires
> > >> c. clients without any TS CAL will not be able to connect
> > >> d. clients with an expired TS CAL (permanent or temporary) will
> > >> not be able to connect
> > >>
> > >> Permanent TS CALs expire after 52-89 days, and the clients
> > >> attempts to renew it 7 days prior to expiration. So if most of
> > >> your clients connect every day, you have 7 days to get your LS
> > >> online again. Temporary licenses expire after 90 days. A client
> > >> can never get a second temporary TS CAL.
> > >>
> > >> If your only LS goes offline, you can (as an emergency measure)
> > >> install and activate a LS on another server. Even if you don't
> > >> install any TS CALs on it, it will issue a temporary license to
> > >> new clients (see group c. above). That leaves only group d. as
> > >> an immediate problem, but they should be few.
> > >>
> > >> No, when you enable Terminal Services, you loose the 2 free
> > >> connections.
> > >> You have still one free connection left, though, by connecting
> > >> to the console of the server, with mstsc /console, or mstsc
> > >> /admin from a Vista SP1 or XP SP3 client.
> > >> _________________________________________________________
> > >> Vera Noest
> > >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> > >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> > >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> > >>
> > >> =?Utf-8?B?TWFyYyBT?= <MarcS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
> > >> 26 mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> > >>
> > >> > If I have two Terminal Servers. Both Windows 2003 Standard.
> > >> > The Licensing Server is on a separate 3rd Server that is one
> > >> > of our Domain Controllers.
> > >> >
> > >> > If that Licensing Server is shut down for a while, and
> > >> > someone tries to log onto either of the Terminal Servers,
> > >> > what happens?
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. Are they temporarily issued a temporarily TS license?
> > >> > How long does that license last?
> > >> >
> > >> > 2. Even if the TS is set for "per Device" mode, can it allow
> > >> > 2 simultaneous connections like the Remote Desktop for
> > >> > Administrators...or are the two simultaneous ONLY for Remote
> > >> > Desktop for Administrators.
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Vera Noest
> > MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> > TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> > ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> >
 
Re: Licensing

Can you install a LS on a TS, or does it have to be on a separate server?

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> comments inline.
>
> =?Utf-8?B?TWFyYyBT?= <MarcS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on 27
> mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
>
> > (1) Wow. Thanks for all that info. Where did you find all that
> > information?
>
> I've worked with TS for many years. You can test this scenario by
> simply taking your LS offline and try to connect with a couple of
> clients with and without licenses. Microsoft also has a huge amount
> of information. See my website for links.
>
> > (2) If I have (as an emergency measure) to install and activate
> > a 2nd LS on another server, and then my primary license server
> > comes back online, is there a problem if there are "two"
> > licensing servers running at the same time (on two separate
> > servers). Or can there only be one LS? If the Primary comes
> > back online, do I need to de-activate the 2nd LS.
>
> No, you can have multiple activated Licensing Servers. It's
> actually recommended, for redundancy reasons.
>
> > (3) Do I install the LS from Add/Remove Windows Components?
> > This was previously installed by consultants. Or is there a
> > download?
>
> No download, just install from Add Windows components.
>
> > (4) Does the LS have to be on a DC? From my reading, it seems
> > to be the preferred way.
>
> It doesn't have to be on a DC (assuming we are talking about
> Windows 2003 or 2008). The LS role doesn't take much resources, so
> you can put it on any server you like, unless you have thousands of
> clients, in which case a dedicated LS could be wise.
>
> > (5) Once installed a LS, does Microsoft have to be called to
> > activate, if only using temporary licenses in the beginning.
>
> No, you can activate the LS over the Internet.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> You're welcome!
>
> > "Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> When your LS is offline, this is what will happen:
> >>
> >> a. clients with an existing permanent TS CAL will be able to
> >> connect until their license expires
> >> b. clients with an existing temporary TS CAL will be able to
> >> connect until their license expires
> >> c. clients without any TS CAL will not be able to connect
> >> d. clients with an expired TS CAL (permanent or temporary) will
> >> not be able to connect
> >>
> >> Permanent TS CALs expire after 52-89 days, and the clients
> >> attempts to renew it 7 days prior to expiration. So if most of
> >> your clients connect every day, you have 7 days to get your LS
> >> online again. Temporary licenses expire after 90 days. A client
> >> can never get a second temporary TS CAL.
> >>
> >> If your only LS goes offline, you can (as an emergency measure)
> >> install and activate a LS on another server. Even if you don't
> >> install any TS CALs on it, it will issue a temporary license to
> >> new clients (see group c. above). That leaves only group d. as
> >> an immediate problem, but they should be few.
> >>
> >> No, when you enable Terminal Services, you loose the 2 free
> >> connections.
> >> You have still one free connection left, though, by connecting
> >> to the console of the server, with mstsc /console, or mstsc
> >> /admin from a Vista SP1 or XP SP3 client.
> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> Vera Noest
> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
> >>
> >> =?Utf-8?B?TWFyYyBT?= <MarcS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote on
> >> 26 mar 2008 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:
> >>
> >> > If I have two Terminal Servers. Both Windows 2003 Standard.
> >> > The Licensing Server is on a separate 3rd Server that is one
> >> > of our Domain Controllers.
> >> >
> >> > If that Licensing Server is shut down for a while, and
> >> > someone tries to log onto either of the Terminal Servers,
> >> > what happens?
> >> >
> >> > 1. Are they temporarily issued a temporarily TS license?
> >> > How long does that license last?
> >> >
> >> > 2. Even if the TS is set for "per Device" mode, can it allow
> >> > 2 simultaneous connections like the Remote Desktop for
> >> > Administrators...or are the two simultaneous ONLY for Remote
> >> > Desktop for Administrators.
> _________________________________________________________
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___
>
 
Re: Licensing

You can, there is no need for separate server for licensing as
licensing uses very few resources.
I have in one site two TS and each has its own LS, if I restart one
server the other can normally work.


_______________________________________________________
Frane Borozan
Terminal Services and Citrix Presentation Server user logging
http://www.terminalserviceslog.com
 
Back
Top