Re: IDE Controller problem?
Replied inline.....
"McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ePyJtP80HHA.3536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Did as instructed, unplugged second hard drive and now all seems OK!!! No
> yellow exclamation indicator, and it says "Your system is configured for
> optimum performance" under the performance tab.
Good!
> When I added the second hard drive I changed to jumper settings as directed.
> original drive as master w/slave, and the second one as slave.
>
> I just restarted computer and the second drive was recognized and I was able
> to access it. Should I of done something in the BIOS settings then?
Your BIOS setup probably has the hard disk controllers all set to Auto, so they will
detect any changes upon startup. I generally enter BIOS setup whenever adding or
removing a drive, or RAM for that matter, even though it usually isn't needed on
newer systems. Old habits die hard. Once upon a time, it was necessary to manually
redetect things....not so much now, but I still like to look and make sure
everything was detected properly.
>
> The second hard drive was out of my old computer that the motherboard failed
> on. I was able to access all the info on it aftyer putting in this machine,
> so I don't think there's anything wrong with the drive. It mainly has a lot
> of pictures, data, etc. that I didn't want to lose, and would like to be
> able to use it on this system..
>
> I don't know if this is a factor or not, but the original hard drive is only
> 2 GB, the second is 40 GB
There is more than one possibility, and I am no expert on hard disk geometry and
translation, but the hard drive, when in the older system may have been set up
differently than your current BIOS set it up, using different translation. Do you
know if the BIOS in your current system detected the hard drive with the same
settings as in your old system....cylinders, heads, and so forth? And using LBA on
both the old and the new systems?
Your old system could've used a third-party software utility to perform geometry
translation, something like OnTrack Disk Manager, or EZ-Drive. I don't know if that
would result in the issue you see.
Since you have apparently already copied off all the data you wanted from the old
drive, you could try plugging it back in (be prepared to see all your problems
return) and wiping it out....not just formatting, but partitioning the drive with
FDISK or another third-party tool, to remove all existing partitions on the old
drive, and then set it up as FAT32 partition (say yes to Large Disk Support when
FDISK starts) utilising the entire drive.
If you have another computer available that works, you could install the drive on it
for performing these procedures, without having to mess your current system again.
FWIW, I wouldn't waste my time with an old 2GB drive unless I needed it for an older
computer. Chances are, a drive of that era is not going to last a lot longer, and I
wouldn't trust it to store My Data.
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
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>
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:en48KBy0HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> replies inline.....
>>
>> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:eUULyCx0HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > news:#gLgx6p0HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> Which drives are reported as being in Compatibility Mode, on the
>> > Performance tab of
>> >> the System control panel? Is a driver name mentioned there anywhere?
>> >
>> > It says:
>> >
>> > Compatibility-mode paging reduces overall system performance
>> > Drive C is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system
>> > Drive D is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system
>> > Drive E is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system
>> >
>> > (drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of
>> > that drive and is called System_sav, I think it's some sort of restore
>> > function from the old computer.)
>>
>>
>> Ah, you've added some possibly crucial new information:
>> "drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of
>> that drive and is called System_sav"
>>
>> How long has this physical drive been installed in this computer?
>> Did you have the error in Device Manager before you added the old drive
> from the old
>> computer?
>>
>> Merge the NOIDE registry file again, then shut down and unplug.
>> Disconnect the data cable and power connector from the hard drive that
> came from the
>> old computer.
>> If the remaining hard drive is a Western Digital, reset the jumper from
> Master to
>> Single, unless you are using Cable Select.
>> Plug in and start the computer, enter BIOS setup to redetect the
> still-installed
>> hard drive without the second drive, save and exit BIOS setup.
>>
>> Let Windows start, and see if there is any change.
>>
>>
>> >> Also, click Properties for the Hard disk controller in Device Manager
> and
>> > click the
>> >> Driver tab to see which files are associated with the controller, and
> post
>> > back with
>> >> that info.
>> >
>> > C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD (CONFIGMG.vxd)
>>
>>
>> Device Manager> <listed IDE controller>> Properties> Driver> Driver File
> Details,
>> shows that?
>>
>>
>> >> Open the C:\Windows\ios.log file with Notepad, and look at the first
> few
>> > lines for
>> >> any info re: why the protected-mode driver did not load.
>> >
>> > This file does not exist, or I cannot figure out how to look at or find
> it!
>>
>>
>> Click Start> Settings> Folder Options> View tab, and click to enable "Show
> All
>> Files" and click OK.
>> Click Start> Find> File or Folders, select the C: drive, and search for
> Ios.log
>>
>> See also:
>> Description of the Ios.log File
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138899
>>
>>
>> >> Also, please open the C:\config.sys and C:\autoexec.bat files with
> either
>> > Notepad or
>> >> Sysedit, highlight and copy the contents of each, and paste in a reply
>> > here.
>> >
>> > C:\config.sys: DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
>> > DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
>> >
>> > C:\autoexec.bat: C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG7\BOOTUP.EXE
>> > SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6
>> > SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS
>> > C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\SBLIVE\DOSDRV\SBEINIT.COM
>> >
>> > del c:\windows\*.tmp
>> > del c:\windows\temp\*.tmp
>> >
>> > Set tvdumpflags=10
>>
>>
>> OK, nothing involved with this, there.
>>
>>
>> >> Run a full virus scan, preferably from a bootable floppy disc or CD,
> using
>> > the
>> >> "rescue disk" (or similarly named disk) you can make from most
> anti-virus
>> > apps.
>> >> Remove any viruses if found, and report back with their name.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > No viruses found
>>
>> OK.
>>
>>
>> >> Download the Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility linked by
> Franc
>> > in his
>> >> reply:
>> >>
>> >
> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=816&DwnldID
>> > =4241&strOSs=18&OSFullName=Windows*%2098%20SE&lang=eng
>> >>
>> >> Merge the NOIDE registry file again, but before you reboot, install and
>> > run the
>> >> Intel update.
>> >> Reboot when prompted.
>> >
>> > Did that, and it "found a bunch of new hardware and installed software
> for
>> > it, but problem still there.
>> >
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> >> If that does not help, turn off and unplug the computer, open your
>> > computer case and
>> >> see if the hard drive and CD drive are on the same cable as master and
>> > slave, or if
>> >> they are on separate cables connected to separate motherboard
> controller
>> > connectors.
>> >>
>> >> In either case, disconnect the CD drive from the cable and disconnect
> the
>> > power
>> >> connection to the CD drive also. The hard drive should then be the
> only
>> > thing
>> >> connected. (Do you have more than one hard drive installed?)
>> >
>> >
>> > There is the second hard drive, as noted above, set as slave. The CD/DVD
>> > player was on a seperate cable, still tried unplugging ribbon and power
>> > cords to it, no change.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Plug in and start up....if the problem still exists, try replacing the
> IDE
>> > data
>> >> ribbon cable to the hard drive.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tried another ribbon cable to the hard drives (the one out of the old
>> > computer, which I'm pretty sure is good), problem still there.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>>
>> > Overall performance and operation of machine is acceptable, but it bugs
> me
>> > to see that yellow warning, and of course if there's a way to improve
>> > performance, I want to do it.
>>
>>
>> DOS Compatibility Mode is a bit too sluggish for my tastes. ;-)
>>
>>
>> > Thanks yet again for all the help, Todd McD
>>
>>
>> OK.
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:u0k0xbp0HHA.6072@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Did all as instructed, now the yellow warning is gone from the
>> > secordary,
>> >> > but still shows up on the primary. Under performance, it still lists
>> > that
>> >> > the hard drives are running under MS-DOS Compatability mode.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks again, Todd McD
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:uVf7IHm0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> Right-click the My Computer icon on the Desktop, click Properties on
>> > the
>> >> > menu that
>> >> >> appears. This will bring up the System control panel.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Click the Performance tab. Does it state that there are drives in
>> > MS-DOS
>> >> >> Compatibility Mode?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Follow this procedure, in order:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Go to http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.htm and click the link on the
> left
>> > for
>> >> > "Remove
>> >> >> NOIDE Flag"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Direct download of the .reg file, in a .zip file
>> >> >> http://aumha.org/downloads/noide.zip
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Download the file, then extract the .reg file to your Desktop;
>> >> > right-click the
>> >> >> NOIDE.REG file and click Merge on the menu that appears, and OK to
> the
>> >> > confirmation
>> >> >> message.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Restart the computer in Safe Mode:
>> >> >> - Start the computer and hold down the CTRL key till the Windows 98
>> >> > Startup menu
>> >> >> (boot menu) appears.
>> >> >> OR
>> >> >> - Repeatedly tap the F8 key after the memory count to bring up the
> boot
>> >> > menu.
>> >> >> - Use the arrow keys to select "Safe Mode" and press Enter.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Open Device Manager, expand the Hard Disk Controllers category,
> remove
>> > all
>> >> > instances
>> >> >> of the 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller, and any other
> Master
>> > IDE
>> >> > controller
>> >> >> listed.
>> >> >> (You won't be able to remove the Primary and Secondary IDE
>> >> > Controllers....that's
>> >> >> normal)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Remove all items in the "Other" category.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If any duplicates that do not appear in normal mode are found in the
>> >> > following
>> >> >> categories, remove ALL instances of the item in that category:
>> >> >> Floppy disk controllers, CDROM, CD-ROM controllers, and Disk drives.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Click OK, and restart in normal mode, letting Windows detect the
> items.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Windows will re-detect the IDE controller, and the primary and
>> > secondary
>> >> >> controllers. Wait to reboot till all three have been detected. If
> any
>> >> > other
>> >> >> present devices were deleted due to duplicates, allow them to be
>> > detected
>> >> > also, then
>> >> >> reboot.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Post back with your results.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Compatibility Mode Problems with PCI-IDE Hard Drive Controllers:
>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=151911
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Troubleshooting MSDOS Compatibility Mode:
>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=130179
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cannot Remove Hard Disk Controller in Device Manager
>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=202393
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:%23$DEo2l0HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >I may of made problem worse!!!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary IDE
>> >> >> > Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary,
>> > although
>> >> >> > advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver found,
>> > and
>> >> > upon
>> >> >> > startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of child
>> > device
>> >> >> > present, and something to the effect that it would not operate
> with
>> >> >> > selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since then,
>> > the
>> >> >> > yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I try
> to
>> >> > update
>> >> >> > drivers it always says the current is the best.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't see any difference in computer performance or operation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks again, Todd McD
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> Just recently started using this old computer since other one
> broke.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> All works ok, but seems rather sluggish.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists
> "Intel
>> >> >> >> 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and
> there
>> > is a
>> >> >> >> yellow circle with the exclamation point inside.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no
>> >> > warning
>> >> >> >> indicator.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It
>> > says
>> >> > the
>> >> >> >> current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht
> back,
>> >> > also.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD
>> >> >> >>
>>
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
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