Windows Vista Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:43:19 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Do a update now! There's a new version of xmoto in the repositories!
>
> Such wonderful changes include:
>
> ,----
>| X-Moto 0.4.2 2008-03-18
>| -----------------------
>| * several rooms possible in configuration
>| * option to remove levels not suitable for children
>| * man page is no more gunzipped
>| * AddPenaltyTime(), PlaySound(), PlayMusic(), StopMusic(), AddForceToPlayer(), SetCameraRotationSpeed() script functions (patches by gaivota)
>| * ctrl + down/up in replays to adjust speed
>| * --cleanNoWWWLevels to clean levels which are no longer available on the website (move them into ~/.xmoto/Trash)
>| * biker interact with world when dead
>| * fix layers while autozoom
>| * major string printing speedup
>| * some other minor modifications
>| * dynamic camera while playing
> `----
>
> The question is : why?
>
> Screen shots here:
>
> http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Screenshots
>
> Honestly, you couldn't make it up.
>
> Just what is he looking at in the top of that ice cream cone?
>
> http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/images/a/a3/Screenshot0020.png

I guess fixing all the lockups people seem to be having is not as important
as release a game that looks like something from 1985...

Go Linux!
You go girl!!



--
Moshe Goldfarb
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[thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com]

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

In comp.os.linux.advocacy Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I guess fixing all the lockups people seem to be having is not as important
> as release a game that looks like something from 1985...
>
> Go Linux!
> You go girl!!

Yeah, and like, I'm all annoyed at the time wasted writing the
latest version of Halo instead of fixing all the problms in Vista.
Oh wait, those were different groups of programmers with different
goals... what were we talking about again?

Thad
--
Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had
all the ingredients on the label.

 

[Hadron]

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com writes:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I guess fixing all the lockups people seem to be having is not as important
>> as release a game that looks like something from 1985...
>>
>> Go Linux!
>> You go girl!!
>
> Yeah, and like, I'm all annoyed at the time wasted writing the
> latest version of Halo instead of fixing all the problms in Vista.
> Oh wait, those were different groups of programmers with different
> goals... what were we talking about again?
>
> Thad

You mean the Halo which made more money in 24 hours than any movie ever
did? That Halo? The non open source Halo where people get paid to do
something worthwhile?

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[Tim Smith]

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

In article <1t5xr38b6xtm3$.oz3yszznzxrh.dlg@40tude.net>,
Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:43:19 +0200, Hadron wrote:
> > Screen shots here:
> >
> > http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Screenshots
> >
> > Honestly, you couldn't make it up.
> >
> > Just what is he looking at in the top of that ice cream cone?
> >
> > http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/images/a/a3/Screenshot0020.png
>
> I guess fixing all the lockups people seem to be having is not as important
> as release a game that looks like something from 1985...

Have either of you *played* that game? The criticism seems to all be
about the graphics, but many gamers *like* the retro look, especially on
simple games. Just because the technology exists to make super
realistic graphics in games doesn't mean we always should.

Here's a super-realistic Mario, for example:

<http://pixeloo.blogspot.com/2008/03/super-real-mario-world.html>

Would you really prefer that to SNES Mario?

Reading the level design page here:

<http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=About_good_level_design>

leads me to believe that the authors of X-Moto in fact do understand
good game design, and very likely understand when the retro look is the
right way to go, and made the correct decision as far as graphics go.

--
--Tim Smith

 

[Hadron]

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> writes:

> In article <1t5xr38b6xtm3$.oz3yszznzxrh.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:43:19 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>> > Screen shots here:
>> >
>> > http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Screenshots
>> >
>> > Honestly, you couldn't make it up.
>> >
>> > Just what is he looking at in the top of that ice cream cone?
>> >
>> > http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/images/a/a3/Screenshot0020.png
>>
>> I guess fixing all the lockups people seem to be having is not as important
>> as release a game that looks like something from 1985...
>
> Have either of you *played* that game? The criticism seems to all be
> about the graphics, but many gamers *like* the retro look, especially on
> simple games. Just because the technology exists to make super
> realistic graphics in games doesn't mean we always should.
>
> Here's a super-realistic Mario, for example:
>
> <http://pixeloo.blogspot.com/2008/03/super-real-mario-world.html>
>
> Would you really prefer that to SNES Mario?
>
> Reading the level design page here:
>
> <http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=About_good_level_design>
>
> leads me to believe that the authors of X-Moto in fact do understand
> good game design, and very likely understand when the retro look is the
> right way to go, and made the correct decision as far as graphics go.

I would hazard a guess you are not a gamer. The "retro look" is simply
because it's a crap game Tim. There is nothing "retro" about it.

--
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[Moshe Goldfarb]

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:11:33 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <1t5xr38b6xtm3$.oz3yszznzxrh.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:43:19 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>>> Screen shots here:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Screenshots
>>>
>>> Honestly, you couldn't make it up.
>>>
>>> Just what is he looking at in the top of that ice cream cone?
>>>
>>> http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/images/a/a3/Screenshot0020.png
>>
>> I guess fixing all the lockups people seem to be having is not as important
>> as release a game that looks like something from 1985...
>
> Have either of you *played* that game? The criticism seems to all be
> about the graphics, but many gamers *like* the retro look, especially on
> simple games. Just because the technology exists to make super
> realistic graphics in games doesn't mean we always should.
>
> Here's a super-realistic Mario, for example:
>
> <http://pixeloo.blogspot.com/2008/03/super-real-mario-world.html>
>
> Would you really prefer that to SNES Mario?
>
> Reading the level design page here:
>
> <http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=About_good_level_design>
>
> leads me to believe that the authors of X-Moto in fact do understand
> good game design, and very likely understand when the retro look is the
> right way to go, and made the correct decision as far as graphics go.

Actually I *prefer* the older type games like Tetris, Pacman, Duke Nukem
etc.

Why, because you can learn how to play them in 2 minutes or less.
I don't want to have to study a game in order to play it and have fun, like
say Halo.
They are also deceptively addictive and fun at the same time.

However, I don't believe the authors of xmoto are going for the retro look
on purpose.
It's just the what they have to offer.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

[thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com]

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

In comp.os.linux.advocacy Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, and like, I'm all annoyed at the time wasted writing the
>> latest version of Halo instead of fixing all the problms in Vista.
>> Oh wait, those were different groups of programmers with different
>> goals... what were we talking about again?
>>
>> Thad
>
> You mean the Halo which made more money in 24 hours than any movie ever
> did? That Halo? The non open source Halo where people get paid to do
> something worthwhile?

Yup, that one. Perhaps I should have put a <snark> tag around it
or something, but my point was not that Halo was a wasted effort,
only that expecting an open source game developer to fix Linux
operating system bugs is about as silly as expecting the Halo
programmers to debug Vista. Game developers don't develop games
to boost an operating system... they develop games because they
love developing games. Advocating that they give it up and squash
operating system bugs instead is just plain silly and pointless.

Of course the funny thing is, it is entirely possible that those
open source game developers actually DO fix Linux bugs; the open
source nature of the operating system actually makes that possible.
It is not unknown for a Linux application developer, upon running
into an OS bug, to run it to ground and submit a patch. Heck,
right now I'm running OProfile on one of my systems to track down
a pesky Xorg bug.

This is actually one of the joys of developing on Linux. Access to
full operating system source code makes debugging easier and assures
a faster discovery and repair of core operating system bugs. I've
done my share of developing on Windows and always found it frustrating
when tracing down into the call stack and running into that eventual
assembly code wall beyond the MFC/.Net/Win32 wrapper classes. It is
also annoying to report a bug to MS and then have to wait months or
years for a fix when for nearly the same amount of effort that it
took to outline the bug report, I might have traced into the
source-code and fixed the damn thing myself.

Thad
--
Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had
all the ingredients on the label.

 

[Moog]

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

Re: Debian Lenny : update to games

Hadron illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:

> <snip>
> I would hazard a guess you are not a gamer. The "retro look" is simply
> because it's a crap game Tim. There is nothing "retro" about it.

Anyone know of a port of "Halls of the things"?

--
Moog

"If this is gonna be that kinda party I'm gonna stick my dick in the
mashed potatoes"