Re: Visual-Studio severely damages Vista
Hello Jim,
Thank you for your reply.
I fully understand your feeling on this issue. Generally speaking, we will
always try our best to solve and reduce compatibility issues between
applications and systems. We try to will do full tests before releasing our
products. Some known issues will be included in the release note together
with a guide or instruction telling you how to prevent or resolve these
kinds of issues.
To this specific issue, I recommend you follow the installation guide
strictly when installing Visual Studio. If not, some unexpected issues
might occur. For example,it is recommended to "Run as Administrator" to
install Visual Studio SP1 in Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Release
Notes as Visual Studio installation requires elevated privileges. If you
run the installation without elevate privileges, you might get some
problems during the installation or the problem occurs after the
installation is finished or even after the program is uninstalled.
You could refer to the following Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Release
Notes when install Visual Studio:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928957/
During the development of Windows Vista, several key investments were made
to vastly improve overall quality, security, and reliability from previous
versions of Windows.
I also notice that the Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Update for Windows
Vista is available for download. The Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1
Update for Windows Vista addresses areas of Visual Studio impacted by
Windows Vista enhancements. If you haven't installed this update, I
strongly recommend you install this update after the Visual Studio 2005 SP1
is installed and have another test.
You could download this update here:
Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Update for Windows Vista
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=90e2942d-3ad1-4873-
a2ee-4acc0aace5b6&displaylang=en
If possible, please test Visual Studio 2005 SP1 together with Update for
Windows Vista and Visual Studio 2008 on different Vista machines.
Moreover, the following information is for your reference:
Visual Studio on Windows Vista FAQ
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa948854
Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista Issue List - Running with normal user
permissions
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa972193
Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista Issue List - Running with elevated
administrator permissions
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa964140
Visual Studio .NET 2003 on Windows Vista Issue List
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/bb188244.aspx
I hope this helps. Thanks.
Sincerely,
Neo Zhu,
Microsoft Online Support
Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
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| Reply-To: "Jim Kay" <jim@jimkay.us>
| From: "Jim Kay" <joschka@newsgroup.nospam>
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| Subject: Re: Visual-Studio severely damages Vista
| Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:13:32 -0400
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| Dear Jian-Ping Zhu,
|
| I thank you for your honest response about this problem. It's the first
one
| I've gotten from Microsoft. Of course, UAC and Visual Studio aren't
playing
| well together. (Even though you only acknowledge this between the lines,
I
| appreciate it.)
|
| My personal account is a member of the Administrators group.
| When the permissions get reset on c:\config.msi, the administrators group
| retains 'full control' as would be expected.
| One would expect that disabling UAC would bypass the permissions problem
on
| that folder and it certainly does that. It was one of the first things I
| tried.
|
| Perhaps I should have been explicit about having disabled UAC in the
past.
| But I get tired of being pestered to turn it back on and, basically, I
think
| it's better for me to have UAC working.
|
| But you seem to be acknowledging that Visual Studio and UAC don't play
well
| together. That's pretty sad now that Vista has been retail since late
| November of 2006 and Microsoft is holding firmly to the position that
| reduced user permissions is a reasonable and necessary approach to
limiting
| the risks of rogue software. In fact, I fully agree with Microsoft on
this
| point.
|
| Microsoft is also holding the position that conflicts with UAC are
totally
| the responsibility of the application vendors who should either fix their
| product so it doesn't require full administrator rights or should be
certain
| their product prompts the user when that is truly necessary.
|
| OK, I agree. But, of course, Microsoft is ALSO the application vendor for
| Visual Studio and that department hasn't gotten the message about being
in
| compliance with UAC.
|
| I'm certainly old enough and experienced enough to understand that an
| organization as large as Microsoft will inevetibly be inconsistent; even
| seriously inconsistent. But now that Vista has been retail for one year
and
| five months, I think it fair of the user community to expect a clear
| acknowledgment and warning from Microsoft about this problem; and really
I
| think it should have been fixed LONG AGO!
|
| In any case, I removed Visual Studio 2008 long ago but the problem
remains
| as it has every time before. I am now in the process if reinstalling
Visual
| Studio 2008 using the method you provided. With UAC disabled, I am nearly
| certain I won't have the permissions problem as that would be very
strange
| indeed.
|
| So I suppose I get to choose between two alternatives:
| 1. totally rebuild my Vista system AGAIN and live without Visual Studio
on
| any Vista machine until Microsoft steps up the problem and fixes it.
| 2. run without UAC until Microsoft steps up to the problem and fixes it.
|
| I do wonder how I'm going to know that the problem has actually been
fixed
| so I can turn UAC back on. (I'm not at all in the mood to do yet another
| total rebuild. But if something else forces me to, I may go back to
running
| Visual Studio on an XP virtual machine which I have already experimented
| with doing.)
|
| Shie Shie (Thats the best I can do transliterating 'thank you' from
| Mandarin)
| Jim Kay
|
| "Jian-Ping Zhu [MSFT]" <v-jpzhu@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| news:xTNFfSjmIHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
| > Hello Jim,
| >
| > Thank you for the reply.
| >
| > I have done some further research and I find that Vista's UAC prompting
| > might cause this problem. Also running Visual Studio with normal user
| > permissions on Vista might cause some issues.
| >
| > To narrow down this issue, I recommend you follow the steps below and
have
| > another try.
| >
| > 1. Enable the Administrator account and log in as Administrator.
| > 2. Disable Vista's UAC prompting.
| > To do this, please
| > 1). Go to Start, Run, and enter "MSCONFIG"
| > 2). Go to the Tools menu.
| > 3). Halfway down the list, enable 'Disable UAC Disables User Account
| > Control (Requires Reboot)'
| > 4). Reboot.
| >
| > 3. Please uninstall Visual Studio and reinstall it again following the
| > steps I mentioned in my last mail.
| >
| > After that, please check whether the issues still occur.
| >
| > If yes, please tell me in detail that what operation causes the issue.
| > Please also check whether there are any error messages recorded in Event
| > logs and let me know. If possible, please capture a screenshot of the
| > error
| > message and mail the screenshot to me.
| >
| > To capture a screenshot:
| > ===================
| > 1. Please press the Print Screen key (PrtScn) on your keyboard.
| > 2. Click "Start", click "Run", type "mspaint", and click "OK".
| > 3. In Paint, click Paste under the Edit Menu, click Save under the File
| > menu, type a file name for the screenshot, choose JPEG as "Save as
type",
| > click "Desktop" on the left pane, and click Save.
| > 4. Please find the screenshot on the Desktop and send it as an
attachment
| > to:
v-jpzhu@microsoft.com
| >
| > More information
| > ==============
| > The following information is for your reference:
| >
| > Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista Issue List when running with normal
| > user permissions:
| >
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa972193.aspx
| >
| > Contents of Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Setup Issues Readme file
| >
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;908452
| >
| > I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks.
| >
| > Sincerely,
| > Neo Zhu,
| > Microsoft Online Support
| > Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
| >
| > Get Secure! -
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| > | From: "Jim Kay" <joschka@newsgroup.nospam>
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| > | Subject: Re: Visual-Studio severely damages Vista
| > | Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:18:30 -0400
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| > | There are two things in your understanding that are a little off:
| > |
| > | 1. removing Visual Studio does not fix the problem. My Vista machines
| > remain
| > | permanently broken and must be totally rebuilt to fix them.
| > | 2. there are many messages in the MSDN forums of people complaining
| > about
| > | trouble with access to c:\config.msi directory but there are no (that
I
| > ever
| > | found) responses from anyone at Microsoft that acknowlegeds the
| > connection
| > | to Visual Studio installation. I have proven to my own satisfaction
that
| > | installing Visual Studio is the cause of the problem. But it cannot,
as
| > far
| > | as I know, ever be reversed other than format the drive and start over
| > with
| > | everything.
| > |
| > | I have posted in MSDN but Microsoft just ignores the problem and
doesn't
| > | respond to ANYONE.
| > |
| > | "Jian-Ping Zhu [MSFT]" <v-jpzhu@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > | news:zuUrusWmIHA.9016@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
| > | > Hello,
| > | >
| > | > Thank you for your post.
| > | >
| > | > According to your description, my understanding is that after you
| > | > installed
| > | > Visual Studio 2005 or Visual Studio 2008 on your Vista machine, some
| > | > update
| > | > processes failed because the access to C:\cinfig.msi is denied.
After
| > you
| > | > uninstalled Visual Studio, the issue gone. You concern is to verify
| > | > whether
| > | > it is the Visual Studio that cause this issue and find a solution to
| > solve
| > | > this issue.
| > | >
| > | > If there is any misunderstanding, please let me know.
| > | >
| > | > According to the symptom, it seems that there are some compatibility
| > | > issues
| > | > between Visual Studio and Vista. As we are not Visual Studio
expert,
| > I'd
| > | > like to suggest that you also submit a post in the following MSDN
| > | > newsgroup
| > | > so that this issue can be resolved efficiently.
| > | >
| > | > microsoft.public.msdn.general
| > | >
| > | > The engineers and newsgroup members there are more experienced on
| > Visual
| > | > Studio related issues, and should be able to provide you with
| > suggestions
| > | > on this issue.
| > | >
| > | > Meanwhile,I'd like to share with you some basic information.
| > | >
| > | > Based on my research, this issue might be caused by not properly
| > | > installing
| > | > Visual Studio 2005/2008.
| > | >
| > | > I recommend you follow the below steps to uninstall Visual Studio
2008
| > and
| > | > reinstall it.
| > | >
| > | > 1. Please follow the below article to uninstalling Visual
| > Studio
| > | > 2008
| > | >
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2008/bb968856.aspx
| > | >
| > | > 2. Install the latest Windows updates.
| > | >
| > | > 3. Check if there is any anti-virus or antispyware running.
| > Turn
| > | > them off before installation.
| > | >
| > | > 4. Make sure that the installation media is healthy. If the
| > | > installation from DVD is not working well, you can try copying the
| > | > contents
| > | > of the disc to the hard disk and try the installation from the hard
| > disk.
| > | >
| > | > 5. Temporarily disable/dismiss Windows Update during
| > installation
| > | > (especially in Vista see:
| > | >
http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/archive/2007/11/13/6190778.aspx)
| > | >
| > | > 6. Run the installation as administrator.
| > | >
| > | > After the installation is finished, please check whether the issue
| > still
| > | > exists.
| > | >
| > | > If yes, I recommend you to contact to MSDN support engineers for
| > further
| > | > investigation.
| > | >
| > | > Thanks.
| > | >
| > | > Sincerely,
| > | > Neo Zhu,
| > | > Microsoft Online Support
| > | > Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
| > | >
| > | > Get Secure! -
www.microsoft.com/security
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