Windows Vista Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical changeneeded

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http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8428&tag=nl.e550

read the rest of the article and see diagrams showing how fat vista is
on the link above, some text from the article below

Microsoft’s Windows juggernaut is collapsing as it tries to support 20
years of applications and becomes more complicated by the minute.
Meanwhile, Windows has outgrown hardware and customers are pondering
skipping Vista to wait for Windows 7. If Windows is going to remain
relevant it will need radical changes.

That sobering outlook comes courtesy of Gartner analysts Michael Silver
and Neil MacDonald. Half of a full room of IT managers and executives
raised their hands when asked whether Microsoft needed to radically
change its approach to Windows. “Windows is too monolithic,” says Silver.

Silver also gave another anecdotal point to show the conundrum Microsoft
is in: Clients are calling him to ask whether they should skip Vista
entirely and wait for Windows 7, which promises to be more modular and
potentially lightweight. Adrian Kingsley-Hughes has also found an impact
on Vista from all of the Windows 7 chatter. Silver’s recommendation: Go
with Vista but on an attrition basis. As XP PCs die, replace them with
Vista PCs.

MacDonald argued that Windows may need multiple kernels to support
increasing demands from customers and hardware makers. “One size doesn’t
fit all,” says MacDonald. For instance, look at the various demands an
OS has to deal with:
 
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"mitchio kaku" <Mitch@niene.de> wrote in message
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> That sobering outlook comes courtesy of Gartner analysts Michael Silver
> and Neil MacDonald. Half of a full room of IT managers and executives
> raised their hands when asked whether Microsoft needed to radically change
> its approach to Windows. “Windows is too monolithic,” says Silver.


Which means that half *didn't* think so. So an equally correct article
would be "Gartner: Windows Vista is just fine, no changes needed".

But that wouldn't sell magazines/web ads/whatever it is that Gartner sells,
would it?

> MacDonald argued that Windows may need multiple kernels to support
> increasing demands from customers and hardware makers. “One size doesn’t
> fit all,” says MacDonald.


But but but - I thought Vista already had "too many versions - it's so
confusing!" Now we need multiple kernels too?!?!? Right!

What a load of crap.

100+ million sold, folks. 14% and growing market share, 2nd only to XP.
That's all you need to know.
 
Re: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical changeneeded

mitchio kaku wrote:
> Do not respond to this message. Vista Bash Bot wrote:
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8428&tag=nl.e550
>
> read the rest of the article and see diagrams showing how fat vista is
> on the link above, some text from the article below
>
> Microsoft’s Windows juggernaut is collapsing as it tries to support 20
> years of applications and becomes more complicated by the minute.
> Meanwhile, Windows has outgrown hardware and customers are pondering
> skipping Vista to wait for Windows 7. If Windows is going to remain
> relevant it will need radical changes.
>
> That sobering outlook comes courtesy of Gartner analysts Michael Silver
> and Neil MacDonald. Half of a full room of IT managers and executives
> raised their hands when asked whether Microsoft needed to radically
> change its approach to Windows. “Windows is too monolithic,” says Silver.
>
> Silver also gave another anecdotal point to show the conundrum Microsoft
> is in: Clients are calling him to ask whether they should skip Vista
> entirely and wait for Windows 7, which promises to be more modular and
> potentially lightweight. Adrian Kingsley-Hughes has also found an impact
> on Vista from all of the Windows 7 chatter. Silver’s recommendation: Go
> with Vista but on an attrition basis. As XP PCs die, replace them with
> Vista PCs.
>
> MacDonald argued that Windows may need multiple kernels to support
> increasing demands from customers and hardware makers. “One size doesn’t
> fit all,” says MacDonald. For instance, look at the various demands an
> OS has to deal with:


Opinions of IT's (Idiots in Training) simply don't count. Companies
switch to a newer OS when most of the worker ants are already using it
at home and are complaining to the IT's that the current Os is "old and
clunky".
Otherwise, IT's are "maintain the status quo" people. They don't like
anything to change other than a getting a bigger salary for less work.
Frank
 
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mitchio kaku, aka, capin' crunch wrote:


....give it rest dipsh*t! Vista is and you aren't...LOL!
Frank
 
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Re: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radicalchange needed

Bob Campbell wrote:

> "mitchio kaku" <Mitch@niene.de> wrote in message
> news:47fe95da$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> That sobering outlook comes courtesy of Gartner analysts Michael Silver
>> and Neil MacDonald. Half of a full room of IT managers and executives
>> raised their hands when asked whether Microsoft needed to radically
>> change its approach to Windows. “Windows is too monolithic,” says
>> Silver.

>
> Which means that half *didn't* think so. So an equally correct article
> would be "Gartner: Windows Vista is just fine, no changes needed".
>
> But that wouldn't sell magazines/web ads/whatever it is that Gartner
> sells, would it?
>
>> MacDonald argued that Windows may need multiple kernels to support
>> increasing demands from customers and hardware makers. “One size
>> doesn’t fit all,” says MacDonald.

>
> But but but - I thought Vista already had "too many versions - it's so
> confusing!" Now we need multiple kernels too?!?!? Right!
>
> What a load of crap.
>
> 100+ million sold, folks.


How many of those copies are VL licenses that aren't even being used for
Vista?

> 14% and growing market share, 2nd only to
> XP.


And what was XP's share when it was only a year and a quarter old?

I'd be willing to bet that it was much more than a mere 14%.

> That's all you need to know.


Yeah, if you think people don't need to know the WHOLE story.

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Re: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed

>But that wouldn't sell magazines/web ads/whatever it is that Gartner sells,
>would it?


That line already says it all.


"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Bob Campbell wrote:
>
>> "mitchio kaku" <Mitch@niene.de> wrote in message
>> news:47fe95da$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> That sobering outlook comes courtesy of Gartner analysts Michael Silver
>>> and Neil MacDonald. Half of a full room of IT managers and executives
>>> raised their hands when asked whether Microsoft needed to radically
>>> change its approach to Windows. ¡§Windows is too monolithic,¡¨ says
>>> Silver.

>>
>> Which means that half *didn't* think so. So an equally correct article
>> would be "Gartner: Windows Vista is just fine, no changes needed".
>>
>> But that wouldn't sell magazines/web ads/whatever it is that Gartner
>> sells, would it?
>>
>>> MacDonald argued that Windows may need multiple kernels to support
>>> increasing demands from customers and hardware makers. ¡§One size
>>> doesn¡¦t fit all,¡¨ says MacDonald.

>>
>> But but but - I thought Vista already had "too many versions - it's so
>> confusing!" Now we need multiple kernels too?!?!? Right!
>>
>> What a load of crap.
>>
>> 100+ million sold, folks.

>
> How many of those copies are VL licenses that aren't even being used for
> Vista?
>
>> 14% and growing market share, 2nd only to
>> XP.

>
> And what was XP's share when it was only a year and a quarter old?
>
> I'd be willing to bet that it was much more than a mere 14%.
>
>> That's all you need to know.

>
> Yeah, if you think people don't need to know the WHOLE story.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
 
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xfile wrote:

>>But that wouldn't sell magazines/web ads/whatever it is that Gartner
>>sells, would it?

>
> That line already says it all.


It does?

How exactly does that rebut the Gartner employees' opinions?

That line sounds more like an attack on the messenger, rather than the
message, so basically that line says nothing at all of any importance.

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Re: Gartner: Windows collapsing under its own weight; Radical change needed

That line says the OP doesn't even know Gartner so why bother to read the
rest and reply?




"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> xfile wrote:
>
>>>But that wouldn't sell magazines/web ads/whatever it is that Gartner
>>>sells, would it?

>>
>> That line already says it all.

>
> It does?
>
> How exactly does that rebut the Gartner employees' opinions?
>
> That line sounds more like an attack on the messenger, rather than the
> message, so basically that line says nothing at all of any importance.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
 
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"xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> That line says the OP doesn't even know Gartner so why bother to read the
> rest and reply?


Indeed. When half say Vista is OK and half say it isn't, why write an
article saying "Vista is collapsing under its own weight"?

Nope, no bias here folks!
 
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Bob Campbell wrote:

> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:O%237jRt6mIHA.1680@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> That line says the OP doesn't even know Gartner so why bother to read
>> the rest and reply?

>
> Indeed. When half say Vista is OK and half say it isn't, why write an
> article saying "Vista is collapsing under its own weight"?
>
> Nope, no bias here folks!


That half of them thought Vista blew, says a lot. You are like a
Republican thinking Bush is great, because only 49% of America didn't
like him and/or the job he was doing back in 2004.

And really how are the Gartner employees biased just because of the
opinions of their audience?

Sir, it is YOUR bias that you are revealing, not that of the Gartner
employees.

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