Windows Vista Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

[kurttrail]

why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with a
new computer for another couple of months?

Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
think that that would be a bad thing.

Let's hear your opinions.

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[artfudd]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

I expect that MS will likely extend XP's OEM life cycle again. In any case I
guess if OEMs buy up copies of XP prior to the deadline, I would think they can
still install them on new computers.

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with a
> new computer for another couple of months?
>
> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
> think that that would be a bad thing.
>
> Let's hear your opinions.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>

 

[relic]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

kurttrail wrote:
> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it
> with a new computer for another couple of months?
>
> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
> think that that would be a bad thing.
>
> Let's hear your opinions.

You worry about things you shouldn't.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

They can manufacture a helluva lotta PCs in the next 60 days! G-d knows
there will be a demand for them.

kurttrail wrote:
> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with a
> new computer for another couple of months?
>
> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
> think that that would be a bad thing.
>
> Let's hear your opinions.

 

[kurttrail]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

relic wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with
>> a new computer for another couple of months?
>>
>> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
>> think that that would be a bad thing.
>>
>> Let's hear your opinions.
>
> You worry

Am I worried? I thought I was just asking some questions. Silly me!

> about things you shouldn't.

Such as?

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[kurttrail]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> They can manufacture a helluva lotta PCs in the next 60 days! G-d knows
> there will be a demand for them.

LOL! I know I'd be choosing XPSP3 over Vista, were I in the market for a
new OEM-made computer over the next couple of months.

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[db.·.. >]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1705

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:2V8Pj.12019$NF4.3835@fe78.usenetserver.com...
> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with a
> new computer for another couple of months?
>
> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
> think that that would be a bad thing.
>
> Let's hear your opinions.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>

 

[Bill Sharpe]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

kurttrail wrote:
> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with a
> new computer for another couple of months?
>
> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
> think that that would be a bad thing.
>
> Let's hear your opinions.
>
I can think of one good reason. SP3 tidies up a whole bunch of updates
in one big (very big) lump.

XP shelf life can go on and on. It's the MS support that will eventually
end.

Bill
(who won't upgrade to Vista until he needs a new computer)

 

[Alan]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

I've had that thought, Kurt. Still, has Microsoft ever needed really good
reasons for some of the decisions they have made?

Maybe they're doing it as a favor to those customers who will be forced to
buy Vista machines after June 30, but who will have downgrade rights to XP?

Alan

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:2V8Pj.12019$NF4.3835@fe78.usenetserver.com...
> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with a
> new computer for another couple of months?
>
> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
> think that that would be a bad thing.
>
> Let's hear your opinions.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>

 

[Andrew E.]

RE: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

XP is about at the end of its life-cycle with microsoft,with SP3 being the
last
big update,they probably are in no rush to release the final
version.Prolonging
has nothing to do with it,xp is a dead-duck with MS OS (almost),why rush it
with SP3......

"kurttrail" wrote:

> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with a
> new computer for another couple of months?
>
> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
> think that that would be a bad thing.
>
> Let's hear your opinions.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>

 

[kurttrail]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

Bill Sharpe wrote:

> I can think of one good reason. SP3 tidies up a whole bunch of updates
> in one big (very big) lump.
>
> XP shelf life can go on and on.

Actually no. MS is supposed to end it at the end of June.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2007/sep07/09-27xpsalescycle.mspx

"In an effort to respond to feedback the company is hearing from
its customers and partners, Microsoft is extending availability
of Windows XP editions among original equipment manufacturers (OEM)
and retail channels for an additional five months to June 30, 2008."

> It's the MS support that will eventually
> end.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&x=12&y=11&p1=3223

> Bill
> (who won't upgrade to Vista until he needs a new computer)

LOL!

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[Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

As you can see by other threads today in this ng, SP3 rtm'd today and will
be available on WU on the 29th. XP remains in mainstream support through
April 2009 and extended support through April 2014. XP at service pack
level 2 will be supported for 24 months from now. XP at service pack level
3 will be supported through April 2014. XP is hardly a dead duck. Please
check your facts.

"Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message
news:0327CB69-036E-4ABB-89E2-E08FEC12D53F@microsoft.com...
> XP is about at the end of its life-cycle with microsoft,with SP3 being
> the
> last
> big update,they probably are in no rush to release the final
> version.Prolonging
> has nothing to do with it,xp is a dead-duck with MS OS (almost),why rush
> it
> with SP3......
>
> "kurttrail" wrote:
>
>> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with a
>> new computer for another couple of months?
>>
>> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
>> think that that would be a bad thing.
>>
>> Let's hear your opinions.
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Former Self-anointed Moderator
>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>>
>>

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

kurttrail wrote:
> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it
> with a new computer for another couple of months?
>
> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not
> that I think that that would be a bad thing.
>
> Let's hear your opinions.

Previous promises, answering requests for it, etc.
Personally - I doubt any dates will get extended any further... ;-)

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[Peter in New Zealand]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> As you can see by other threads today in this ng, SP3 rtm'd today and
> will be available on WU on the 29th. XP remains in mainstream support
> through April 2009 and extended support through April 2014. XP at
> service pack level 2 will be supported for 24 months from now. XP at
> service pack level 3 will be supported through April 2014. XP is hardly
> a dead duck. Please check your facts.
>
> "Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:0327CB69-036E-4ABB-89E2-E08FEC12D53F@microsoft.com...
>> XP is about at the end of its life-cycle with microsoft,with SP3
>> being the
>> last
>> big update,they probably are in no rush to release the final
>> version.Prolonging
>> has nothing to do with it,xp is a dead-duck with MS OS (almost),why
>> rush it
>> with SP3......
>>
>> "kurttrail" wrote:
>>
>>> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it
>>> with a
>>> new computer for another couple of months?
>>>
>>> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
>>> think that that would be a bad thing.
>>>
>>> Let's hear your opinions.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peace!
>>> Kurt
>>> Former Self-anointed Moderator
>>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>>>
>>>
>
Still, it does seem a little curious to me that MS are producing an SP
for an OS that is about to go off the market. I cannot help but wonder
if they are secretly harbouring an intention to extend its availability
slightly, even just as a PR exercise so people will see them as
responsive to their customers. It wouldn't be the first time. On the
other hand, who knows what goes on the collective mind of MS?

--
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Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
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[Shenan Stanley]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

Peter in New Zealand wrote:
> Still, it does seem a little curious to me that MS are producing an
> SP for an OS that is about to go off the market. I cannot help but
> wonder if they are secretly harbouring an intention to extend its
> availability slightly, even just as a PR exercise so people will
> see them as responsive to their customers. It wouldn't be the first
> time. On the other hand, who knows what goes on the collective mind
> of MS?

It is not unusual. Windows NT, Windows 2000... Heck - they will be
releasing patches for XP through 2014... That should be far beyond at least
the version of OS Microsoft puts out after Vista.

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MS-MVP
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[Shenan Stanley]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

Peter in New Zealand wrote:
> Still, it does seem a little curious to me that MS are producing an
> SP for an OS that is about to go off the market. I cannot help but
> wonder if they are secretly harbouring an intention to extend its
> availability slightly, even just as a PR exercise so people will
> see them as responsive to their customers. It wouldn't be the first
> time. On the other hand, who knows what goes on the collective mind
> of MS?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> It is not unusual. Windows NT, Windows 2000... Heck - they will be
> releasing patches for XP through 2014... That should be far beyond
> at least the version of OS Microsoft puts out after Vista.

Example:

- Windows 2000 SP4 released on June 26, 2003 and Windows 2000 Update Rollup
#1 for SP4 released on June 28, 2005... Windows 2000 stopped main support
on June 30, 2005, 2 days after the Rollup was released.
- Windows XP released on October 2001... Or almost two years before SP4 for
Windows 2000 was released.

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MS-MVP
--
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[kurttrail]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

Shenan Stanley wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with
>> a new computer for another couple of months?
>>
>> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
>> think that that would be a bad thing.
>>
>> Let's hear your opinions.

Hey Shenan! How's it hanging?

>
> Previous promises, answering requests for it, etc.

And what's an extra eight days really gonna do for OEMs? OEMs had Vista
SP1 for a much longer time before SP1 was released to the masses.

> Personally - I doubt
> any dates will get extended any further... ;-)

Yeah, I sure wouldn't put any money on it, but stranger things have
happened.

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[Gary Mount]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

I have a 2 year old laptop that can't handle Vista so needs to run XP.
I also have a 10 year old laptop that obviously can't handle Vista as well,
it has XP SP3 release candidate on it right now.
XP machines will be used for many years yet.
My brother has a new computer and he likes using XP even though I also put
Vista Ultimate x64 on it. He uses devices that just don't have drivers for
Vista, whether 32 bit or 64 bit.
And as others have noted, "XP at service pack level 3 will be supported
through April 2014."

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:2V8Pj.12019$NF4.3835@fe78.usenetserver.com...
> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with a
> new computer for another couple of months?
>
> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
> think that that would be a bad thing.
>
> Let's hear your opinions.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>

 

[WindPipe]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

kurttrail wrote:
> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with a
> new computer for another couple of months?
>
> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
> think that that would be a bad thing.
>
> Let's hear your opinions.
>

I think there will be a huge amount of XP desktops into the next decade. There has not been
a big take up for Vista here (Australia) in the corporate sector (nor Government), and still
so far, businesses are not intending to upgrade during this side of the decade. I think it's
a Marketing ploy on MS's behalf, after all they are quite good at it, except for the Vista
hype that I personally don't think has delivered them their expected returns,... as yet anyway.

Considering a Vista change over Mr. Kurttrail?

Regards
- WindPipe

 

[Peter]

Re: Why is XPSP3 being RTM'ed?

All this discussion!! SP3 was planned years ago, I remember reading about
it's approx. release date when SP2 first came out. I wish I could find that
page that outlines all the platforms and their life cycle.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2/Vista Ultimate SP1
Triple Boot

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1208839699.217027@ftpsrv1...
> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> As you can see by other threads today in this ng, SP3 rtm'd today and
>> will be available on WU on the 29th. XP remains in mainstream support
>> through April 2009 and extended support through April 2014. XP at
>> service pack level 2 will be supported for 24 months from now. XP at
>> service pack level 3 will be supported through April 2014. XP is hardly
>> a dead duck. Please check your facts.
>>
>> "Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:0327CB69-036E-4ABB-89E2-E08FEC12D53F@microsoft.com...
>>> XP is about at the end of its life-cycle with microsoft,with SP3 being
>>> the
>>> last
>>> big update,they probably are in no rush to release the final
>>> version.Prolonging
>>> has nothing to do with it,xp is a dead-duck with MS OS (almost),why rush
>>> it
>>> with SP3......
>>>
>>> "kurttrail" wrote:
>>>
>>>> why bother RTM'ing XPSP3 at all, if manufacturers can only sell it with
>>>> a
>>>> new computer for another couple of months?
>>>>
>>>> Is this a hint at MS prolonging XP's shelf life yet again? Not that I
>>>> think that that would be a bad thing.
>>>>
>>>> Let's hear your opinions.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peace!
>>>> Kurt
>>>> Former Self-anointed Moderator
>>>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>
> Still, it does seem a little curious to me that MS are producing an SP for
> an OS that is about to go off the market. I cannot help but wonder if they
> are secretly harbouring an intention to extend its availability slightly,
> even just as a PR exercise so people will see them as responsive to their
> customers. It wouldn't be the first time. On the other hand, who knows
> what goes on the collective mind of MS?
>
> --
> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
> compulsive computer fiddler.