Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

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A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
..NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?

Thanks for your help.

Larc



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Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

Larc wrote:
> A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up
> MS .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for
> each. All told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space.
> Do I really need all those versions or does the most recent also
> cover functions of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?


I have no idea of your needs - but each version of the .NET Framework does
*not* replace the last. Depending on what you might install next - you may
need to install .NET Framework 3.5 as well (so you could have *need* for
four versions of the .NET Framework.)

As for it being an 'obscene amount of HDD space', if you feel this way about
the *maybe* CD's worth of space all four versions of the .NET framework is
taking up - you may need a larger hard disk drive as yours is obviously
inadequate for your current needs (or you need to archive some things off
the current hard disk drive.) I say this because the .NET Frameworks (if
you have the four of them installed at once) are taking up less than 1GB of
space (closer to 2/3 of 1GB) and that should not be a significant amount of
disk space at this time. I would venture to say that if removing all the
..NET Frameworks from your computer would free up enough space to account for
2% more free space on your hard disk driove (total) - then you should
consider purchasing a larger hard disk drive and/or a better method of
storing your personal files.

Having said that - there are some things you can do to quickly evaluate how
much space you have/what's taking up the majority of your space and free up
the space you are using with rubbish/files you may not know exist.

If you are comfortable with the stability of your system, you can delete the
uninstall files for the patches that Windows XP has installed...
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm

You can run Disk Cleanup - built into Windows XP - to erase all but your
latest restore point and cleanup even more "loose files"..

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312

You can turn off hibernation if it is on and you don't use it..

When you hibernate your computer, Windows saves the contents of the system's
memory to the hiberfil.sys file. As a result, the size of the hiberfil.sys
file will always equal the amount of physical memory in your system. If you
don't use the hibernate feature and want to recapture the space that Windows
uses for the hiberfil.sys file, perform the following steps:

- Start the Control Panel Power Options applet (go to Start, Settings,
Control Panel, and click Power Options).
- Select the Hibernate tab, clear the "Enable hibernation" check box, then
click OK; although you might think otherwise, selecting Never under the
"System hibernates" option on the Power Schemes tab doesn't delete the
hiberfil.sys file.
- Windows will remove the "System hibernates" option from the Power Schemes
tab and delete the hiberfil.sys file.

You can control how much space your System Restore can use...

1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties.
2. Click the System Restore tab.
3. Highlight one of your drives (or C: if you only have one) and click on
the "Settings" button.
4. Change the percentage of disk space you wish to allow.. I suggest moving
the slider until you have just about 1GB (1024MB or close to that...)
5. Click OK.. Then Click OK again.

You can control how much space your Temporary Internet Files can utilize...

Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 64MB and 128MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 64MB and 128MB. (It may be MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.

You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
temporary files and use that to get rid of those:

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Other ways to free up space..

SequoiaView
http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/

JDiskReport
http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html

Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.

If you are concerned over less than 5GB of space total at any given time
being freed up on your hard disk drive - then something is wrong and
you would be better off spending a little and putting in a drive that is
likely 3-8 times as large as what you have not and not concerning
yourself over such a small amount of space OR you seriously need
to consider what you really need on the system and what should be
archived.

Basic housekeeping 101... - in an actual home, if your storage area gets
full - you either have to decide what you really should have in the storage
area and what could go or you have to find a new place to store stuff
that will accommodate everything you need. You don't walk into a
warehouse of cars, look at the filing cabinet in the corner where
you keep all the records for the cars and decide that if you move it out of
the warehouse - you will have more room for cars. ;-)

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Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

Larc wrote:
> A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
> told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
> need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
> of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Larc
>
>
>
> §§§ - Change planet to earth to reply by email - §§§


..NET versions are not cumulative, some apps may need version 1.1 or 2.0
so you do need them or you might risk system problems.

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Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

No, the most recent version is not necessarily compatible with older
versions of .NET,
therefore some applications rely on .NET 1.x, others need 2.x and removing
these versions
may render these applications as unusable.

JS

"Larc" <larc-news@saturnlink.net> wrote in message
news:edpr14lah5361f3dtlk9g1oac5r5dcgmta@4ax.com...
>A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
> told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
> need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
> of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Larc
>
>
>
> §§§ - Change planet to earth to reply by email - §§§
 
Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

Larc wrote:
> A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
> told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
> need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
> of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?
>
> Thanks for your help.


I'd question the idea of "obscene amount of disk space" given the price of
large hard disks these days, but moving on. The answer to your question is
complicated.

1.1 stands alone from the higher numbered versions. I don't know how it
relates to 1.0.

The relationship of 3.0 to 2.0 is complicated.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480198.aspx#netfx30_topic3 tells
us that 3.0 is a "superset" of 2.0, e.g. it's 2.0 with extra added goodness.
My own experience with deployments on clients and servers have shown me that
all the .net 2.0 applications I deal with can run on a system with only 3.0
installed.

What will happen if you just remove 2.0 and try to leave 3.0 behind is
another question. There might be some dependancies between the packages
after they've installed. So you could do a clean install of Windows and
install .net 3.0 instead of .net 2.0, but you might find yourself doing a
lot of juggling if you remove something from the middle of the stack.
 
Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

I never knew the answer to your question. Thanks for asking it.


"Larc" <larc-news@saturnlink.net> wrote in message
news:edpr14lah5361f3dtlk9g1oac5r5dcgmta@4ax.com...
>A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
> told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
> need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
> of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Larc
>
>
>
> §§§ - Change planet to earth to reply by email - §§§
 
Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

One thing worth looking into is to check if you have the Developer editions
installed.
They consume much more disk space.

For the normal user, the disk space consumed for .NET 2.x is 66MB installed
size.
The download file is named NetFx20SP1_x86.exe (23.6MB)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...77-e02c-4ad3-aacf-a7633f706ba5&DisplayLang=en

For the developers .Net 2.x is identified by the letters 'SDK':
and is over 300MB when installed.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...99-B7B4-4F47-A244-C96D69C35DEC&displaylang=en

Note the difference in the file download size (354MB) vs (23.6MB)

JS

"Larc" <larc-news@saturnlink.net> wrote in message
news:edpr14lah5361f3dtlk9g1oac5r5dcgmta@4ax.com...
>A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
> told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
> need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
> of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Larc
>
>
>
> §§§ - Change planet to earth to reply by email - §§§
 
Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:42:50 -0400, Larc <larc-news@saturnlink.net>
wrote:

> A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
> told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
> need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
> of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?



One version does not replace another and you run applications that
need a particular one, you need that one.

Even if you don't run such an application now, you might need one
soon, so I recommend that you keep them all.

"An obscene amount of HDD space"? Not at all. It's a tiny amount of
disk space. If you add it all together, it's under 1GB. At today's
disk prices, considering that you can buy a 160GB drive for under $50
US, that's about 30 cents worth.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

As a matter of fact you don't need any unless the applications you are
using requires one particular version. If you want the ability to use
Microsoft XPS writer then you will certainly need version 3.0 or 3.5.
This particular facility is very useful if you want to send somebody a
file created by you in Word, excel etc. but they don't have these
applications. It is like pdf creator except that these files can be read
in browser.

Hope this helps.

Larc wrote:

> A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
> told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
> need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
> of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Larc
>
> ??? - Change planet to earth to reply by email - ???
 
Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

You must have applications installed that require those .NET Framework
versions, so...

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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Larc wrote:
> A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
> told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
> need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
> of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?
 
Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:42:50 -0400, Larc <larc-news@saturnlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
>> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each.
>> All told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I
>> really need all those versions or does the most recent also cover
>> functions of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?

>
>
> One version does not replace another and you run applications that
> need a particular one, you need that one.


You've seen cases where .net 3.0 runtime isn't an acceptable alternative to
..net 2.0 runtime?
 
Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:34:01 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:42:50 -0400, Larc <larc-news@saturnlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>> A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
>> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
>> told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
>> need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
>> of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?

>
>
>One version does not replace another and you run applications that
>need a particular one, you need that one.
>
>Even if you don't run such an application now, you might need one
>soon, so I recommend that you keep them all.
>
>"An obscene amount of HDD space"? Not at all. It's a tiny amount of
>disk space. If you add it all together, it's under 1GB. At today's
>disk prices, considering that you can buy a 160GB drive for under $50
>US, that's about 30 cents worth.


Thanks Ken and everybody else for your replies. I guess I'm stuck
with it. Maybe "obscene" was a little strong for the amount of HDD
space being used since I really don't know exactly how much is taken
up. But just SP1s for 2.0 and 3.0 amount to 431MB. So I figured that
was probably a rather small percentage of the total. And with entries
sorted by size in Add or Remove Programs, most elements of .NET
Framework versions 2.0 and 3.0 are clustered toward the top
immediately under four programs exceeding 336MB each. The good thing
is NF 1.1 is not far from the bottom. :)

Larc



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Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

On Sun, 4 May 2008 22:30:50 +0100, "Robert Moir"
<usenet+robspamtrap@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> > On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:42:50 -0400, Larc <larc-news@saturnlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
> >> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each.
> >> All told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I
> >> really need all those versions or does the most recent also cover
> >> functions of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?

> >
> >
> > One version does not replace another and you run applications that
> > need a particular one, you need that one.

>
> You've seen cases where .net 3.0 runtime isn't an acceptable alternative to
> .net 2.0 runtime?



No, not personally. And I've also heard that in that specific case, at
least some of the time, what you suggest works.

However, I'm not at all sure that it works in all cases, and
considering how tiny the amount of disk spaces that it uses is, I
don't want to worry about the possibility. I'll just keep them all
here, and I recommend that others do the same.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

On Sun, 04 May 2008 19:14:16 -0400, Larc <larc-news@saturnlink.net>
wrote:

> On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:34:01 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
> <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:42:50 -0400, Larc <larc-news@saturnlink.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> A quick check of the Add or Remove Programs list on my PC turns up MS
> >> .NET Framework versions 1.1, 2 and 3 and copious updates for each. All
> >> told, this accounts for an obscene amount of HDD space. Do I really
> >> need all those versions or does the most recent also cover functions
> >> of past versions? IOW what can I safely get rid of?

> >
> >
> >One version does not replace another and you run applications that
> >need a particular one, you need that one.
> >
> >Even if you don't run such an application now, you might need one
> >soon, so I recommend that you keep them all.
> >
> >"An obscene amount of HDD space"? Not at all. It's a tiny amount of
> >disk space. If you add it all together, it's under 1GB. At today's
> >disk prices, considering that you can buy a 160GB drive for under $50
> >US, that's about 30 cents worth.

>
> Thanks Ken and everybody else for your replies.



You're welcome.


> I guess I'm stuck
> with it. Maybe "obscene" was a little strong for the amount of HDD
> space being used since I really don't know exactly how much is taken
> up. But just SP1s for 2.0 and 3.0 amount to 431MB. So I figured that
> was probably a rather small percentage of the total.



What happens is that, to you as it is to most us, numbers in the
millions (MBs) and billions (GBs) sound like a lot. But we need to
stop looking at the raw numbers and start thinking about them in term
of their actual dollar (substitute your own local currency, if
necessary) values.

A *billion* bytes sounds like a lot, but when you realize that it's
only around 30 cents worth, its true low value becomes apparent.



> And with entries
> sorted by size in Add or Remove Programs, most elements of .NET
> Framework versions 2.0 and 3.0 are clustered toward the top
> immediately under four programs exceeding 336MB each. The good thing
> is NF 1.1 is not far from the bottom. :)
>
> Larc
>
>
>
> §§§ - Change planet to earth to reply by email - §§§


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Re: Do I need so many versions of .NET Framework?

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

> No, not personally. And I've also heard that in that specific case, at
> least some of the time, what you suggest works.
>
> However, I'm not at all sure that it works in all cases, and
> considering how tiny the amount of disk spaces that it uses is, I
> don't want to worry about the possibility. I'll just keep them all
> here, and I recommend that others do the same.


Substituting .net 3.0 for .net 2.0 is a supported config by Microsoft, so it
really ought to work and should be reported as a bug if it doesn't. I've
tested it on desktops, servers and mobile device frameworks and not found an
issue. I'd agree with you to the extent that I wouldn't remove .net 2.0 from
a system where it was already in place, don't fix what isn't broke and all
that!
 
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