PC 98 Modem on W2K?

[W. Watson]

I may find this out soon enough, but I bought an older PC with a modem in
it. I replaced the w98 on it with W2K I had no idea what it was yesterday,
when I tried firing up a standard modem. No luck. I opened up the PC and
found it had a 3Com USR 56K DFVJ CPCI PC98. The PC98 designation got my
attention. Maybe it won't run under W2K? Comments?
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)

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[John John]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

W. Watson wrote:

> I may find this out soon enough, but I bought an older PC with a modem
> in it. I replaced the w98 on it with W2K I had no idea what it was
> yesterday, when I tried firing up a standard modem. No luck. I opened up
> the PC and found it had a 3Com USR 56K DFVJ CPCI PC98. The PC98
> designation got my attention. Maybe it won't run under W2K? Comments?

You should be asking in a Windows 2000 group. Click on Start | Run and
run msinfo32 Look in the Components\Problem Devices section. Do you
see the modem listed there? Does it have a PCI\VEN_ number? If yes
post the complete ID string\number here.

John

 

[Franc Zabkar]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:42:42 GMT, "W. Watson"
<wolf_tracks@invalid.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>I may find this out soon enough, but I bought an older PC with a modem in
>it. I replaced the w98 on it with W2K I had no idea what it was yesterday,
>when I tried firing up a standard modem. No luck. I opened up the PC and
>found it had a 3Com USR 56K DFVJ CPCI PC98. The PC98 designation got my
>attention. Maybe it won't run under W2K? Comments?

This URL suggests that it may be a model 3CP2976OEM:
http://www.tamayatech.com/parts.php?g=3CP2976OEM

These look like the Windows drivers (205570 bytes):
ftp://ftp.usr.com/oem/hawk/2976/2976_080100.zip

Vista is also supported, but by a separate driver set.

This appears to be the relevant USR support page:

http://www.usr-emea.com/support/s-prod-template.asp?loc=russ&prod=2976

The datasheet, and the small size of the "driver" set, appears to
suggest that yours is a "full hardware", ie controller based modem.

http://www.usr.com/oem/hawk/pdf/HawkDFVJDataSheet-.pdf
http://www.usr.com/oem/hawk/pdf/ControllerModemUserGuide-.pdf

- Franc Zabkar
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[W. Watson]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

Thanks. I'll get back on this tomorrow. My W2k is a bit difficult to at times.

John John wrote:
> W. Watson wrote:
>
>> I may find this out soon enough, but I bought an older PC with a modem
>> in it. I replaced the w98 on it with W2K I had no idea what it was
>> yesterday, when I tried firing up a standard modem. No luck. I opened
>> up the PC and found it had a 3Com USR 56K DFVJ CPCI PC98. The PC98
>> designation got my attention. Maybe it won't run under W2K? Comments?
>
> You should be asking in a Windows 2000 group. Click on Start | Run and
> run msinfo32 Look in the Components\Problem Devices section. Do you
> see the modem listed there? Does it have a PCI\VEN_ number? If yes
> post the complete ID string\number here.
>
> John

--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)

Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>

 

[W. Watson]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

See the w2k screen dump from msinfo32 at
<http://www.speckledwithstars.net/misc.html>.
I had uninstalled the driver prior to the dump, but couldn't figure out how
to install another. I'm sure the highlighted PCI device is the modem. After
getting the dump, I figured out how to install one (Scan wouldn't detect the
missing driver.) The only logical choice seemed to be a 3COM 56K FAX INT
modem. However, when I tried to dial out I got a 797 "modem not found".

On System->Device Drivers->Modem I found the status of the driver as
installed but not operative.

Maybe this affair should be moved to the W2K NG. I see the other poster
(Frank) has a bunch of links to potential drivers. Maybe I need one of them.
Possibly there's one on the w2k install disk. I'm off to look.

W. Watson wrote:
> Thanks. I'll get back on this tomorrow. My W2k is a bit difficult to at
> times.
>
> John John wrote:
>> W. Watson wrote:
>>
>>> I may find this out soon enough, but I bought an older PC with a
>>> modem in it. I replaced the w98 on it with W2K I had no idea what it
>>> was yesterday, when I tried firing up a standard modem. No luck. I
>>> opened up the PC and found it had a 3Com USR 56K DFVJ CPCI PC98. The
>>> PC98 designation got my attention. Maybe it won't run under W2K?
>>> Comments?
>>
>> You should be asking in a Windows 2000 group. Click on Start | Run
>> and run msinfo32 Look in the Components\Problem Devices section. Do
>> you see the modem listed there? Does it have a PCI\VEN_ number? If
>> yes post the complete ID string\number here.
>>
>> John
>

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Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)

Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>

 

[W. Watson]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

Comments intermixed.

Franc Zabkar wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:42:42 GMT, "W. Watson"
> <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>> I may find this out soon enough, but I bought an older PC with a modem in
>> it. I replaced the w98 on it with W2K I had no idea what it was yesterday,
>> when I tried firing up a standard modem. No luck. I opened up the PC and
>> found it had a 3Com USR 56K DFVJ CPCI PC98. The PC98 designation got my
>> attention. Maybe it won't run under W2K? Comments?
>
> This URL suggests that it may be a model 3CP2976OEM:
> http://www.tamayatech.com/parts.php?g=3CP2976OEM
That looks exactly like it.
>
> These look like the Windows drivers (205570 bytes):
> ftp://ftp.usr.com/oem/hawk/2976/2976_080100.zip
I unzipped the file, and see about 4 inf files. I don't know which one to
use, but the setup.exe program fails anyway. It says I'm not using NT4.0 or
above. Ha! What's wrong with W2k or XP (which I tried just to fire up setup)?
>
> Vista is also supported, but by a separate driver set.
>
> This appears to be the relevant USR support page:
>
> http://www.usr-emea.com/support/s-prod-template.asp?loc=russ&prod=2976
>
> The datasheet, and the small size of the "driver" set, appears to
> suggest that yours is a "full hardware", ie controller based modem.
This shows me it is a 3COM 56K Voice FAX. The Voice was a discovery there, I
had thought it was just FAX.

I installed the VOICE FAX from w2k, but the Phone&Modem Icon for show the
modem is not operable. Maybe it's just busted.

>
> http://www.usr.com/oem/hawk/pdf/HawkDFVJDataSheet-.pdf
> http://www.usr.com/oem/hawk/pdf/ControllerModemUserGuide-.pdf
>
> - Franc Zabkar

--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)

Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>

 

[Franc Zabkar]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:52:48 -0700, "W. Watson"
<wolf_tracks@invalid.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>See the w2k screen dump from msinfo32 at
><http://www.speckledwithstars.net/misc.html>.
>I had uninstalled the driver prior to the dump, but couldn't figure out how
>to install another. I'm sure the highlighted PCI device is the modem. After
>getting the dump, I figured out how to install one (Scan wouldn't detect the
>missing driver.) The only logical choice seemed to be a 3COM 56K FAX INT
>modem. However, when I tried to dial out I got a 797 "modem not found".

The INF files in the 3CP2976 driver set that I posted contain the
following line:

HKLM,SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\Root\PCI&VEN_12B9&DEV_1008&SUBSYS_00AA12B9

That corresponds to your "PCI serial port".

The "PCI Device" looks like a System Management Bus (SMBus)
controller. You should find a driver on Intel's web site.

This may be at least part of what you need:

INF Driver [INFINST_ENU.EXE]

INF update driver for the Intel® 82801BA ICH2.

infinst_enu.exe

Ver: 2.60.001
Date: 11/13/2000
Size: 1528 (KB)

OS: Windows* 2000, Windows* 98, Windows* 98 SE, Windows* Me

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Det...ctID=36&DwnldID=4562&agr=N&lang=eng&PrdMap=36
http://tinyurl.com/27jvhq

>On System->Device Drivers->Modem I found the status of the driver as
>installed but not operative.

>Maybe this affair should be moved to the W2K NG. I see the other poster
>(Frank) has a bunch of links to potential drivers. Maybe I need one of them.
>Possibly there's one on the w2k install disk. I'm off to look.

You could also try comp.dcom.modems. Lots of USR experts used to hang
out there.

- Franc Zabkar
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[W. Watson]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

Thanks. I'll give this a try later today (when I'm actually awake!), and try
the NG you cited.

Franc Zabkar wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:52:48 -0700, "W. Watson"
> <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>> See the w2k screen dump from msinfo32 at
>> <http://www.speckledwithstars.net/misc.html>.
>> I had uninstalled the driver prior to the dump, but couldn't figure out how
>> to install another. I'm sure the highlighted PCI device is the modem. After
>> getting the dump, I figured out how to install one (Scan wouldn't detect the
>> missing driver.) The only logical choice seemed to be a 3COM 56K FAX INT
>> modem. However, when I tried to dial out I got a 797 "modem not found".
>
> The INF files in the 3CP2976 driver set that I posted contain the
> following line:
>
> HKLM,SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\Root\PCI&VEN_12B9&DEV_1008&SUBSYS_00AA12B9
>
> That corresponds to your "PCI serial port".
>
> The "PCI Device" looks like a System Management Bus (SMBus)
> controller. You should find a driver on Intel's web site.
>
> This may be at least part of what you need:
>
> INF Driver [INFINST_ENU.EXE]
>
> INF update driver for the Intel® 82801BA ICH2.
>
> infinst_enu.exe
>
> Ver: 2.60.001
> Date: 11/13/2000
> Size: 1528 (KB)
>
> OS: Windows* 2000, Windows* 98, Windows* 98 SE, Windows* Me
>
> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Det...ctID=36&DwnldID=4562&agr=N&lang=eng&PrdMap=36
> http://tinyurl.com/27jvhq
>
>> On System->Device Drivers->Modem I found the status of the driver as
>> installed but not operative.
>
>> Maybe this affair should be moved to the W2K NG. I see the other poster
>> (Frank) has a bunch of links to potential drivers. Maybe I need one of them.
>> Possibly there's one on the w2k install disk. I'm off to look.
>
> You could also try comp.dcom.modems. Lots of USR experts used to hang
> out there.
>
> - Franc Zabkar

--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)

Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>

 

[John John]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

W. Watson wrote:

> See the w2k screen dump from msinfo32 at
> <http://www.speckledwithstars.net/misc.html>.
> I had uninstalled the driver prior to the dump, but couldn't figure out
> how to install another. I'm sure the highlighted PCI device is the
> modem. After getting the dump, I figured out how to install one (Scan
> wouldn't detect the missing driver.) The only logical choice seemed to
> be a 3COM 56K FAX INT modem. However, when I tried to dial out I got a
> 797 "modem not found".

I can't read what it says there! Run msinfo32 again and right click on
Problem Devices and save it as a text file. Open the file with Notepad
and copy/paste the text to your reply. For good measure also look at
the Modem category and if anything is shown there copy and paste that to
your reply also.


> On System->Device Drivers->Modem I found the status of the driver as
> installed but not operative.
>
> Maybe this affair should be moved to the W2K NG. I see the other poster
> (Frank) has a bunch of links to potential drivers. Maybe I need one of
> them. Possibly there's one on the w2k install disk. I'm off to look.

Modems can be notoriously difficult to fix without the exact proper
drivers. If this is a USR modem there is a good chance that drivers on
the Windows 2000 can get it to work, but usually if the drivers are the
right ones the modem is properly detected and installed at the same time
as Windows is installed. USR made lots of OEM modems and although those
are tagged as USR modems many of them will not work with the standard
USR drivers, they need the OEM drivers. Without the PCI VEN number it
is next to impossible to suggest drivers, only through trial and error
and a stroke of luck will you find the proper drivers for the modem.

John

 

[W. Watson]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

Good tips between you and Frank. I'll beef the image up shortly. I certainly
agree about your statement about the difficulty of getting modems to work.
They drive me nuts. I'm doing this for a 91 year old neighbor who once again
got the bug to use his PC.

More later as I get into this.

John John wrote:
> W. Watson wrote:
>
>> See the w2k screen dump from msinfo32 at
>> <http://www.speckledwithstars.net/misc.html>.
>> I had uninstalled the driver prior to the dump, but couldn't figure
>> out how to install another. I'm sure the highlighted PCI device is the
>> modem. After getting the dump, I figured out how to install one (Scan
>> wouldn't detect the missing driver.) The only logical choice seemed to
>> be a 3COM 56K FAX INT modem. However, when I tried to dial out I got a
>> 797 "modem not found".
>
> I can't read what it says there! Run msinfo32 again and right click on
> Problem Devices and save it as a text file. Open the file with Notepad
> and copy/paste the text to your reply. For good measure also look at
> the Modem category and if anything is shown there copy and paste that to
> your reply also.
>
>
>> On System->Device Drivers->Modem I found the status of the driver as
>> installed but not operative.
>>
>> Maybe this affair should be moved to the W2K NG. I see the other
>> poster (Frank) has a bunch of links to potential drivers. Maybe I need
>> one of them. Possibly there's one on the w2k install disk. I'm off to
>> look.
>
> Modems can be notoriously difficult to fix without the exact proper
> drivers. If this is a USR modem there is a good chance that drivers on
> the Windows 2000 can get it to work, but usually if the drivers are the
> right ones the modem is properly detected and installed at the same time
> as Windows is installed. USR made lots of OEM modems and although those
> are tagged as USR modems many of them will not work with the standard
> USR drivers, they need the OEM drivers. Without the PCI VEN number it
> is next to impossible to suggest drivers, only through trial and error
> and a stroke of luck will you find the proper drivers for the modem.
>
> John

--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)

Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>

 

[Franc Zabkar]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:09:56 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Modems can be notoriously difficult to fix without the exact proper
>drivers. If this is a USR modem there is a good chance that drivers on
>the Windows 2000 can get it to work, but usually if the drivers are the
>right ones the modem is properly detected and installed at the same time
>as Windows is installed. USR made lots of OEM modems and although those
>are tagged as USR modems many of them will not work with the standard
>USR drivers, they need the OEM drivers. Without the PCI VEN number it
>is next to impossible to suggest drivers, only through trial and error
>and a stroke of luck will you find the proper drivers for the modem.
>
>John

The "drivers" in this case are basically just an INF file. This is
because the modem is a "full hardware" type, ie the controller and DSP
are implemented in hardware, not software. The DOSbox stuff appears to
be for DOS support in Windows (because PCI COM ports are not detected
by DOS ?), and the rest seems to be related to the voice function
(wave device for voice modem).

All the OP needs to do is to edit a suitable INF file to match the PCI
IDs that are discovered by Windows, assuming that is the problem.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[W. Watson]

Re: PC 98 Modem on W2K?

Thanks to both you guys. It's all working now.

Of course, as soon as I got on the internet to test whether I could mail
myself a msg, the PC was under attack. I had the smpt address wrong, and a
message popped up that looked like it was from MS warning that some bad
thing was terribly wrong with SMTP, and that I should modify the registry. I
had gone into the house for about 5 messages and about 20 or more messages
were stacked up. I disconnected, and fixed it off line, and got back on. The
message went out properly, but briefly appeared while I was fixing the smtp
address. All seems well. I hope some $@#$! virus isn't on the machine now.
I'll be looking for AVG (I think that's the name) for virus checker and some
freebie firewall.

Franc Zabkar wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:09:56 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>
> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>> Modems can be notoriously difficult to fix without the exact proper
>> drivers. If this is a USR modem there is a good chance that drivers on
>> the Windows 2000 can get it to work, but usually if the drivers are the
>> right ones the modem is properly detected and installed at the same time
>> as Windows is installed. USR made lots of OEM modems and although those
>> are tagged as USR modems many of them will not work with the standard
>> USR drivers, they need the OEM drivers. Without the PCI VEN number it
>> is next to impossible to suggest drivers, only through trial and error
>> and a stroke of luck will you find the proper drivers for the modem.
>>
>> John
>
> The "drivers" in this case are basically just an INF file. This is
> because the modem is a "full hardware" type, ie the controller and DSP
> are implemented in hardware, not software. The DOSbox stuff appears to
> be for DOS support in Windows (because PCI COM ports are not detected
> by DOS ?), and the rest seems to be related to the voice function
> (wave device for voice modem).
>
> All the OP needs to do is to edit a suitable INF file to match the PCI
> IDs that are discovered by Windows, assuming that is the problem.
>
> - Franc Zabkar

--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)

Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>