Re: NetStumbler doesn't work with my Netgear WG111V2 USB adapter
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"MaxAttacks" <kickofthecat@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| On May 23, 12:06 am, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| > "MaxAttacks" <kickofthe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
| >
| >
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| > | On May 15, 11:30 pm, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| > | > "MaxAttacks" <kickofthe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | >
| > |
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| > | > | On May 15, 11:46 am, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| > | > | > We could attempt to help here, but I think you would have more
luck
| > on
| > | > | > forums/groups which deal specifically with Netstumbler and
| > | > cards/adapters.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=netstumbler&btnG=Google+Search
|
|
| > | > Okay, as you have found out, the program is extremely limited,
though
| > | > useful *IF* you can find chip specific adaptations.
| > | >
| > | > There are other programs [perhaps not exactly what your looking
for]
| > like
| > | > CommView, Wireless Sniffer, other [general listed and searched for
as
| > | > wireless sniffers]
| > |
| > | I'm a little late getting back to this, but appreciate the help and
| > | mention of other similar products. I tried to reply a couple of days
| > | ago but Google News seemed to think I should wait and try again
| > | another time.
| > |
| > | I did find out through reading way too many postings about Netstumbler
| > | that, it only works under Windows 98 SE "if" your using an adapter
| > | with a Hermes chipset. As they added support for newer operating
| > | systems, they didn't bother to add support for Win98SE, to allow for
| > | the new chipsets in the newer devices supported. Which means I'm out
| > | of luck when it comes to using Netstumbler unless I update my OS
| > | first.
| >
| > Well I didn't want to burst your bubble, I have Netstumbler here... and
it
| > is only useful as you indicate.
|
| I managed to locate a used 500 mhz cpu for the desktop in the house,
| but my old montherboard doesn't support it very well so, when I find
| time I'll be updating and going with XP on that computer. At least
| I'll have one system that I can use to check signal strength for
| connections to the laptop and my other desktop in the trailer. I've
| mainly been using the laptop in the yard and when in town at hotspots,
| but with only Win98SE on it and being too old to upgrade, I think it
| will soon be time for something newer.
Don't expect much from that 500Mhz with XP, its a hog for CPU needs and
memory, if that's your intent.
|
| > So let me get this straight, you mentioned a laptop, that ISN"T the one
in
| > the shop is it?
| >
| > If its a desktop, an internal adapter can provide MUCH more ability to
| > modify than a plugin USB. Think of modifications that the old CB users
used
| > to make....
| > |
| > | > | > Are there any identifying chip numbers available on the Chinese
| > | > Adapter?
| > |
| > | I couldn't find any meaningful markings on the ISSC unit apart from
| > | the "ISSC IS89C35 802.11bg WLAN USB Adapter" on the outside and the
| > | name of the company "Integrated System Solution Corp." in the .inf
| > | file that was part of the driver on the CD. I opened the unit and it
| > | has Winbond chips, but I'll have to shoot some pictures and enlarge
| > | them to see what numbers are on them. For now, its my most reliable
| > | method for accessing the router. Based on the name of the company, I
| > | found what I believe is their website here:
http://www.issc.com.tw/
| > |
| > | So its not Made in China. I guess Made in Taiwan isn't a bad thing.
| >
| > Contrary to popular opinion, China does ship some good products.. and
| > Taiwan has been providing the world with a large part of its
technologies
| > and hardware for decades.
| >
| > Actually, looking at the site, ISSC amalgamated with Alinks
Communications,
| > Inc. in Silicon Valley in 2000 so what do you actually have, or does it
| > really matter.. they seem to be making their own designs, so though not
| > POPULAR and WELL ADVERTISED, they may make better products and chips.
|
| They sell these on eBay for about $0.99 each but the shipping is
| inflated to around $12.00.
Right, seems everyone follows what the purported *hot* item is, even if its
not all that good.
|
| > |
| > | > Let's see if someone else wants to post some tools to use, you
don't
| > mind
| > | > if we wait a few more hours do you?
| > |
| > | No big rush, but life will be simpler once I get this all straightened
| > | out and can focus on the variety of other things I'm doing. By the
| > | time I catch up on all the other projects here, MS may put out another
| > | OS and Vista might become a stable operating system.
| >
| > ROFLMAO,,,, right, like that will happen in my lifetime, VISTA
stable,,,
| > sshhshshhs, they just found another batch of new vulnerabilities, and in
| > Vista's UAC....
|
| Ok, so I was getting a flashback to a MAC/PC commercial. If they
| didn't make other OS's like Linux and Ubutu sound like old Unix, I'd
| consider going that route, but then I'd have to hunt up new equipment
| and drivers to make it all work.
Most of those "old" issue have been resolved. The newer Linuxes are rather
nice and get some pretty good ratings.
Seems there are a lot more people headed that way.
|
| > |
| > | I'm sure there are some people wardriving around here, looking for
| > | vulnerable systems, but not very often. At least, I know enough to not
| > | broadcast my SSID, have my network set up for peer-to-peer and use
WPA-
| > | PSK TKIP. Unlike some of my neighbors, (one who insists that his
| > | business and personal info is safe because he is hard wired, but still
| > | doesn't have a firewall), I wouldn't even use a computer without a
| > | firewall and scheduled scanning for viruses, etc. And I'm thinking
| > | using a program called FakeID, if I can find another old computer to
| > | run it on. I might have the wrong name there, but the program I'm
| > | thinking of lets you hide in plain sight by broadcasting thousands of
| > | SSID's.
| >
| > Ah, heard of those [have to say that]. Guess you haven't done that
sniffer
| > search I suggested.
| > You might just use a dedicated firewall server if you can find that
extra
| > machine... much more to them than just the normal "software firewall".
| > Several free Linux stand-alone versions out there...
|
| I poked around abit, but so far most sniffers are aimed at Linux, or
| WinXP. Maybe its me and I've got some sort of obsessive compulsive
| thing going on with USB adapters, but I've actually been looking at a
| USB firewall adapter. Its hardware based, but as easy to get up and
| running as plugging it in to a USB port.
Okay I suppose, but remember that these extra USB devices are sharing
bandwidth on the channel. Its not like your adding a bunch of USB drives
that only use the channel when accessed. Throw a printer, camera, IPod, hard
drive, thumb drive, and other gizmos on USB and your running into sharing
issues.
|
| > As for your neighbor without the firewall, likely bought into the
"routers
| > are the only firewall I need" sales hype, or maybe "mine has a hardware
| > firewall built in", yep, and so did the CISCO and others that were
recently
| > wacked....
| >
| > And of course:
| > Over 1.5 million pages were affected by the recent SQL injection
attacks.
| > SQL Injection attacks lead to wide-spread compromise of IIS servers[hmm,
| > another Microsoft product] and guess what, they were behind firewalls
and
| > routers...
|
| The neighbor in question thinks that the ISP's firewall is enough and
| they actually run a business taking and using credit cards for most
| transactions. I shake my head every time I see another poor sap going
| there to do business with them, but I've tried to report this to the
| parent company they contract with and to the media, but they're all
| paranoid about making accusations and potential liability. Oh well.
Big company? Well you might remind them that the loss CAN be charged back
to someone when they are at fault for that loss and failed to ensure
protection, or may be held otherwise liable.
And if they were instrumental in ID theft, they could have a suit on their
hands.
|
| > |
| > | > WG111 -
| >
54Mbpshttp://review.zdnet.com/adapters-nics/netgear-wg111-usb-adapter/4505-.
| > ..
| > | > "the WG111 earned a less remarkable 6.2Mbps score at 200 feet"
| > |
| > | That score would be an improvement over what I've been getting at 300
| > | feet, but I'm hoping the addition of an external antenna will made a
| > | significant difference. When I'm sitting idle watching the Wwu utility
| > | for this Taiwanese adapter, it shows a speed of 54 mbps, but as soon
| > | as I click on another webpage link it drops down to 1 mbps. If I
| > | recall correctly, when I download files, a 10 Mb file takes about 20
| > | minutes, unless I take the laptop into the house where it can take as
| > | little as 3 minutes. I know I would do way better to upgrade to WinXP,
| > | but until I upgrade my computers, thats something that can wait. For
| > | now, I just need to be able to browse the web and email. The few files
| > | I upload are small and don't contain personal, or business
| > | information, but it would still be nice to have things happening at a
| > | pace that didn't leave me wondering if I should take another coffee
| > | break while I wait.
| > |
| > |
| > | K.
| >
| > Ouch, I'm still using phoneline for this identity... but you already
know
| > that isn't going to happen with the Netgear, it won't even connect at
300
| > now...
|
| Until a few months ago, I was using dialup and paying more than if I
| had cable internet. I finally made the break and hope I'll never have
| to go back.
Right, there is nothing presently that compares for the general consumer.
The DSL offerings get close but ... SAT could easily blow the doors off
Cable if they wished to do it, but the cells are likely to pick up that
area.
Personally, I'm not very happy being bombarded with all this massive amount
of microwave and other..
|
| > Okay, so it IS the laptop then. Well, if you get the time, play around
with
| > the antenna conversion, and maybe research some boosters.
| > But if you're going that route, might as well make it the one that
| > presently works to boost. At least that already has a signal indicating
a
| > better potential outcome.
|
| When I was deciding on which USB WiFi adapter to use, I couldn't find
| any side by side comparisons showing dBi of gain for each. So, I went
| with a brand name and moderate model of adapter. I had seen some
| complaints about the WG111v2, but not many compared to some other
| models. I had also seen someone on eBay who was selling preassembled
| biquad antenna's using a Netgear USB adapter and when I spotted
| someone else selling several of them at a good price and cheap
| shipping, I bit the bullet and bought a few.
So your adapter has already been modified?
|
| So, the designs on these pages are what I'm looking at, apart from the
| fact that I'm "thinking" of going with the "double" biquad design in
| the last link. I haven't decided on just how fancy I want to get yet.
| The single biquad design seems easier and I do have an unused
| satellite dish I could use with it, (using the biquad as the feed
| horn), if I decide to do that at a later date.
|
|
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~redwood4/
|
http://www.trevormarshall.com/biquad.htm
|
http://martybugs.net/wireless/biquad/
|
http://martybugs.net/wireless/biquad/double.cgi
|
OKAY, there are some good materials to work from.. seems the antenna aspect
is being done, but did you find anything that works on the actual
output/signal strength? Wait a min, that's likely a violation of FCC Rules
and/or other controls.
| I was just browsing that last website and came up with a link to an
| eBay store that sells kits for the antenna's, so I might go that
| route since the shipping seems pretty reasonable. If anyone is
| interested, here's the link:
|
http://stores.ebay.com/War-Driving-World
|
| As you suggested, I mainly want the external antenna for the laptop,
| but it wouldn't hurt to have a stronger antenna and signal for my
| other computers. I've found that most laptops have very weak signals
| from internal antenna's and both my desktop and laptop do far better
| when I use an active USB cable, (3 meters long), and put the adapter
| as far away as possible from the computer. One other use I have for
| the laptop, is when I go camping with my travel trailer and want to
| use a "hotspot" at the local Walmart, or Staples, etc, but can't park
| close enough to get a good signal. Or when I'm in a campground that
| has internet access and I end up at the far end where the signal can
| be very weak.
|
| Anyway, I think I've covered everything and I feel better informed. I
| will be continuing to hunt for a sniffer that works with my adapters
| and Win98SE as I have time, but if anyone knows of one similar to
| NetStumbler, feel free to post it here.
|
| Have a good day!
|
| K.
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