Re: XP *and* Vista co-exist in the market?
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
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>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end
>>>>>>>>>> hardware long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly
>>>>>>>>> what I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't
>>>>>>>> even cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB
>>>>>>> of RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada
>>>>>>> 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical
>>>>>>> configuration that will run Vista very well and is easily under
>>>>>>> $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent
>>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high
>>>>>>> end. It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no
>>>>>>> problems. The system will be stable, all drivers are easily
>>>>>>> available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A
>>>>>>> decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00. The complete
>>>>>>> system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to
>>>>>>> Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has
>>>>>>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative
>>>>>>> to where you live. The system specs would not be considered high
>>>>>>> end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM
>>>>>> Vista (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a
>>>>>> complete computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP,
>>>>>> I would get a friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the
>>>>>> cold and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year
>>>>>> and it never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the
>>>>>> question 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that
>>>>> you know about computers..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true
>>>> MS fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.
>>>>
>>>> Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> The fact is that I have also lived and worked in Spain, and France,
>>> and the UK, and the US. You may be able to pull the wool over the
>>> eyes of some, but you will not get away with doing it to me..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You've made two claims:
>>
>> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>>
>> Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because
>> you can?
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> When you responded to Kerry initially with "no video card, no sound
> card?', that showed that you didn't know that virtually all
> motherboards, especially at the cheaper end, invariably have integrated
> video, sound, LAN. If you worked on computers, you would know this,
> whether in the US or EU.
I have known this for over a decade. I also know that low end GPUs and
audio cards are not expensive.
> Re prices, the US has always had cheap prices compared to the rest of
> the world. It isn't just Microsoft. Europeans have traditionally paid
> double the price that Americans pay for any commodity/product. I
> understand that Australia is even worse.
Give me a break! I have spoken with three major computer store chains in
Spain and ALL of them tell me MS sets their prices and prohibits them
from selling a generic OEM version of Windows or Office without a
complete computer. Wine is cheaper in Spain than the US and, guess what,
hot shot, wine is a commodity. I can list many things that are cheaper
in Spain than in the US but anything MS isn't on the list.
Alias