Re: XP *and* Vista co-exist in the market?
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end
>>>>>>>>> hardware long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what
>>>>>>>> I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even
>>>>>>> cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB
>>>>>> of RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada
>>>>>> 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical
>>>>>> configuration that will run Vista very well and is easily under
>>>>>> $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent
>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end.
>>>>>> It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems.
>>>>>> The system will be stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM
>>>>>> Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide
>>>>>> screen LCD would be another $200.00. The complete system with
>>>>>> Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to Canada. It
>>>>>> sounds like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your
>>>>>> computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where you
>>>>>> live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere
>>>>>> yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Kerry Brown
>>>>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>>>>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry
>>>>>
>>>>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America,
>>>>> and taxation plays its part.
>>>>
>>>> So does MS' iron fist.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant
>>>>> country, because it is anything but peasant.
>>>>
>>>> I have *never* said that. Frank has but I haven't. I live here and
>>>> know. Spain is growing by leaps and bounds.
>>>>
>>>>> For sure some of the old ways of life still exist, but Spain is as
>>>>> technologically advanced as most countries, and has been the only
>>>>> European country growing over the last few years.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think you saying something I don't know?
>>>>>
>>>>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one
>>>>> can get computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as
>>>>> one can in other countries.
>>>>
>>>> Parts, yes. MS software, no.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> You once claimed that Vista was cheaper in some retail outlets, that
>>> one didn't have to pay full recommended price everywhere..
>>
>> No, I didn't. I said that if you buy it wholesale, it's cheaper.
>> Nonetheless, it's still cheaper in the US to buy a generic OEM than a
>> generic OEM here. I have a license to buy wholesale, which means I can
>> buy generic OEMs. Most people do not.
>>
>>>
>>> So software isn't so bad, and cheap parts are readily available. And
>>> you problem is?
>>
>> My problem isn't with Spain but Microsoft for their discriminating and
>> unfair pricing tactics.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Its as well you don't drive, otherwise you would have a problem with
> Ford's EU pricing compared to US too..
>
>
Just because others do it too doesn't make it right or didn't your mommy
teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?
Alias