Re: XP *and* Vista co-exist in the market?
"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what
>>>>>>>>>> I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even
>>>>>>>>> cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of
>>>>>>>> RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of
>>>>>>>> name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that
>>>>>>>> will run Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the
>>>>>>>> hardware which is what I consider to be decent quality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end.
>>>>>>>> It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The
>>>>>>>> system will be stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista
>>>>>>>> Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen
>>>>>>>> LCD would be another $200.00. The complete system with Vista
>>>>>>>> Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds
>>>>>>>> like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your computing
>>>>>>>> experience. In any case cost is relative to where you live. The
>>>>>>>> system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet Vista
>>>>>>>> runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista
>>>>>>> (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete
>>>>>>> computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would
>>>>>>> get a friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the
>>>>>>> cold and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and
>>>>>>> it never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that
>>>>>> you know about computers..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true MS
>>>>> fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The fact is that I have also lived and worked in Spain, and France, and
>>>> the UK, and the US. You may be able to pull the wool over the eyes of
>>>> some, but you will not get away with doing it to me..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You've made two claims:
>>>
>>> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>>>
>>> Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because you
>>> can?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> When you responded to Kerry initially with "no video card, no sound
>> card?', that showed that you didn't know that virtually all motherboards,
>> especially at the cheaper end, invariably have integrated video, sound,
>> LAN. If you worked on computers, you would know this, whether in the US
>> or EU.
>
> I have known this for over a decade. I also know that low end GPUs and
> audio cards are not expensive.
>
>> Re prices, the US has always had cheap prices compared to the rest of the
>> world. It isn't just Microsoft. Europeans have traditionally paid double
>> the price that Americans pay for any commodity/product. I understand that
>> Australia is even worse.
>
> Give me a break! I have spoken with three major computer store chains in
> Spain and ALL of them tell me MS sets their prices and prohibits them from
> selling a generic OEM version of Windows or Office without a complete
> computer. Wine is cheaper in Spain than the US and, guess what, hot shot,
> wine is a commodity. I can list many things that are cheaper in Spain than
> in the US but anything MS isn't on the list.
>
> Alias
Your best bet is to download Ubuntu and say Fedora. Pass them out free to
anyone who asks. As M$ loses share quietly, and fails to recognize
(publicly) the real penetration of Linux, they just dig their grave deeper
and faster.
As Linux is going to be the thing Microsoft can't stop.
No, I don't predict a MS demise, that will take 10-15 years. But Linux will
be death by a billion cuts, one cut at a time.